Parent and Child Spaces

chanelfreak

I just dont know how we got through the 80's/90s without P&C spaces. Maybe we should all get survivor tshirts for our parents.

Flippyfloppy

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

No I don't go looking for accidents but on a point have you ever had the legal right of way argument over an accident in a car park?

This is an argument youve had? I've never been in an accident anywhere thankfully.

Flippyfloppy

chanelfreak wrote: »

I just dont know how we got through the 80's/90s without P&C spaces. Maybe we should all get survivor tshirts for our parents.

I know....we also made it through the 80's without the need for child car seats! The very thing that warrants extra wide spaces. It's so mind lowing I can't get over it!

Flippyfloppy

Kirby wrote: »

Thats not how the law works I'm afraid. The proprietor can also designate a "men only" parking spot. When a woman parks in it, as she is legally entitled to do, the proprietor can do nothing about it.

You can set any sort of crazy rule you want. It doesnt make it binding. Socially distressing for some? Yes. Illegal? No.

The fact of the matter is, anybody can park in the P&C spots. It does not hold the same stature as a disabled spot. It's illegal to park in a disabled spot if you are able bodied. But there is no law regarding P&C. It's a courtesy, a convenience. Thats all. Parents are not entitled to it.

I think everybody knows it's not a law. Most understanding people leave them for parents. Likewise, most parents wouldn't have the same reaction that the OP witnessed against a person using it without kids.

steddyeddy

I personally think the P and C spots should be designated disabled spots. The more of them the better.

Kirby

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I think everybody knows it's not a law. Most understanding people leave them for parents. Likewise, most parents wouldn't have the same reaction that the OP witnessed against a person using it without kids.

Not everybody. Menas just stated the owner of the shop could set whatever parking rules he wished. I was explaining that he was mistaken and this isnt the case.

MrWalsh

Kirby wrote: »

Not everybody. Menas just stated the owner of the shop could set whatever parking rules he wished. I was explaining that he was mistaken and this isnt the case.

Well the owner of the shop can set them, he just cant legally enforce them.

A lot of these owners use private clamping companies that are operating outside the law to enforce their makey uppey parking rules.

Ctrl Alt Delete

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I think everybody knows it's not a law..

You have been popping away at me for saying I park in them despite the fact I am equally legally entitled to park in them.

The only time I'm not is if there is something in the bye laws OR it is specifically a barriered car park where you take a ticket because by taking the ticket you are deemed to have fully accepted the rules and terms of that car park.

DublinWriter

Kirby wrote: »

It's illegal to park in a disabled spot if you are able bodied. But there is no law regarding P&C.

Not on private property there isn't.

Menas

Kirby wrote: »

Not everybody. Menas just stated the owner of the shop could set whatever parking rules he wished. I was explaining that he was mistaken and this isnt the case.

The proprietor can set whatever rules he wants, but those rules are not enforceable by law. I never stated they were!
However they can decline your custom, request you leave their property and clamp you for parking in the wrong place on their property.

Ctrl Alt Delete

DublinWriter wrote: »

Not on private property there isn't.

Oh I'll think you will find if you park in a disabled spot on private property without a permit you will not like the outcome

Ctrl Alt Delete

Menas wrote: »

However they can decline your custom, request you leave their property and clamp you for parking in the wrong place on their property.

Private clamping is currently being regulated so and as it stands a business that clamps your car is in a very grey legal area

allprops

It always strikes me that some supermarkets are so large that you might end up walking a couple of miles from the front door, up and down 20 aisles to the furthest point in the store yet people will insist on parking in the nearest spot to the entrance even if it's in a disability spot.

Flippyfloppy

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

You have been popping away at me for saying I park in them despite the fact I am equally legally entitled to park in them.

The only time I'm not is if there is something in the bye laws OR it is specifically a barriered car park where you take a ticket because by taking the ticket you are deemed to have fully accepted the rules and terms of that car park.

That's not really the angle I've been coming from if you want to read back through my posts. To sum them up , I'm saying just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's the general gist I've been getting from this thread.

If it wasn't illegal to park in disabled spots without a badge would you? Do you give up your spot on public transport for those less able? Do you skip cues because you can?

Menas

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Private clamping is currently being regulated so and as it stands a business that clamps your car is in a very grey legal area

Oh, I know that to my detriment!
But still they can currently do it.

chanelfreak

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I know....we also made it through the 80's without the need for child car seats! The very thing that warrants extra wide spaces. It's so mind lowing I can't get over it!

Really? I'm pretty sure I was strapped into a car seat as a young 'un....

Ctrl Alt Delete

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

If it wasn't illegal to park in disabled spots without a badge would you? Do you give up your spot on public transport for those less able? Do you skip cues because you can?

No because I don't equate having children being the same as having a physical / mental disability (unless the child is disabled).

And for the record I do give up my seat to elderly and pregnant people (most of the time they insist on staying standing) and I hate cue skippers with a passion too.

Drumpot

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Private property does not allow you to make up law. If I ran a shop and designated spots "white only" what you think will happen

To most people this is a simple case of common courtesy . .

kunst nugget

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

And for the record I do give up my seat to elderly and pregnant people (most of the time they insist on staying standing) and I hate cue skippers with a passion too.

Tbf, it's not illegal to skip a queue and just because your ahead of me in the queue doesn't mean your more entitled than me to be served first…

animaal

I think a lot of people are missing half the point.

Parent & Child spaces are a benefit to the parent/minder of small kids, who's struggling with child seats, safety belts and buggies. And you're "entitled" to say "I'm going to park there anyway, just because fcuk them".

But as somebody who doesn't have small children, I'd rather not be arriving back at my car to discover a dent in my door. It's happened before, and presumably to plenty of other people too.

There's no good thinking "I wish they'd do something about that", when your actions result in P&C spaces being unavailable to the people who need the extra space.

Ctrl Alt Delete

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbf, it's not illegal to skip a queue and just because your ahead of me in the queue doesn't mean your more entitled than me to be served first…

100% correct and your entitled to try and skip a cue all you wish but most businesses usually call the person they skipped first and usually the skipper will get a row to boot

Flippyfloppy

chanelfreak wrote: »

Really? I'm pretty sure I was strapped into a car seat as a young 'un....

Apparently they weren't legal until 1984! But I remember being around 4 and not even having a seatbelt on in a car crash that was late 80's

kunst nugget

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

100% correct and your entitled to try and skip a cue all you wish but most businesses usually call the person they skipped first and usually the skipper will get a row to boot

The courtesy that the business shows to you in calling you first instead of the queue skipper is the same courtesy they extend to parents with children by giving them parking spaces closer to the front of the shop. Why is one instance of a shop's courtesy okay and the other is taking the piss?

Ctrl Alt Delete

kunst nugget wrote: »

The courtesy that the business shows to you in calling you first instead of the queue skipper is the same courtesy they extend to parents with children by giving them parking spaces closer to the front of the shop. Why is one instance of a shop's courtesy okay and the other is taking the piss?

Because one is a system of order to prevent anarchic situations and the other is simply a courtesy if it's available to use. Also I never said a shop providing those spaces is taking the piss.

QuinDixie

meeeeh wrote: »

As I said before, not everyone has a partner with cushy nine to five job and too much free time to know what to do with it.. I do multiple shops at one time and sometimes and sometimes kids go with me to do the big shop. I don't overly like to take them with me me but sometimes it is the most sensible option.

Just because you can't see the attraction, it doesn't mean everyone else's circumstances are exactly the same as yours and should live exactly as you because your way is optimal.

I am not sure what cushy 9 - 5 jobs and free time remarks mean, it makes you sound very bitter, I hope your doing ok. Maybe take time to talk with someone.

Instead of taking your children shopping, let your partner go shopping, while you bring them swimming. That would be optimal.

QuinDixie

kunst nugget wrote: »

When they were younger, my wife worked weekends while I worked during the week. Inevitably one of us would bring them with us while shopping. It wasn't a big deal. Sometimes we even brought them when - gasp - we wanted to give the other person some child free time! The horror…



It's the fact that they called it child abuse that I found absolutely bizarre.

I let my partner have some child free time, I let her go shopping on her own while we head out hurling, swimming, to the park, good stuff.
You should try it.

chanelfreak

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Apparently they weren't legal until 1984! But I remember being around 4 and not even having a seatbelt on in a car crash that was late 80's

:eek: my god, that is madness!! Didn't realise that at all now.

Flippyfloppy

QuinDixie wrote: »

I am not sure what cushy 9 - 5 jobs and free time remarks mean, it makes you sound very bitter, I hope your doing ok. Maybe take time to talk with someone.

Instead of taking your children shopping, let your partner go shopping, while you bring them swimming. That would be optimal.

What is the big thing with not taking your kids shopping? Why not if they enjoy it? It's actually good for their development to be brought on trips like that! Plus, there are seats in trollies and p&c spaces.

I prefer to do my food shopping on a Monday or Tuesday morning. I find the produce fresher on these days, compared to Sunday especially. Hence bringing the kids with me as my husband works during the week.

kunst nugget

QuinDixie wrote: »

I let my partner have some child free time, I let her go shopping on her own while we head out hurling, swimming, to the park, good stuff.
You should try it.

Tbf, not that I don't do all of these things already but I think I'll take my parenting tips from someone who doesn't think taking a child into a shop is child abuse.

Sunny Dayz

meeeeh wrote: »

As I said before, not everyone has a partner with cushy nine to five job and too much free time to know what to do with it.. I do multiple shops at one time and sometimes and sometimes kids go with me to do the big shop. I don't overly like to take them with me me but sometimes it is the most sensible option.

Just because you can't see the attraction, it doesn't mean everyone else's circumstances are exactly the same as yours and should live exactly as you because your way is optimal.

Well myself and my husband both have "cushy nine to five" jobs as you call it but we barely even have the time to do the weekly shop! Or fortnightly or even monthly shop as we end up doing a really big shop cos we don't have time every week to trawl around the shops, and then we get fresh produce in the local small shops. We actually use the weekly shop as time spent as a family and we bring our son with us. We make him help us out. If we didn't do this then the grocery shopping would very easily be left up to me to do on top of everything else!