How much do you spend on supplements

Manutd_4life

Just a question here:

Is €15 euro for 1kg of creatine good value or are there better deals out there. And if you take 5g per day, it would last you 200 days which is more than 6 months!!!

MagicMarker

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Just a question here:

Is €15 euro for 1kg of creatine good value or are there better deals out there. And if you take 5g per day, it would last you 200 days which is more than 6 months!!!

Dude, have you actually gone to the gym yet?

Manutd_4life

MagicMarker wrote: »

Dude, have you actually gone to the gym yet?

Haha yes why???

guile4582

you need to take a week off creatine every 8

runawaybishop

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Just a question here:

Is €15 euro for 1kg of creatine good value or are there better deals out there. And if you take 5g per day, it would last you 200 days which is more than 6 months!!!

You need more than 5grams a day though, it depends on your workload and your weight. 15 for 1kg sounds about right

guile4582 wrote: »

you need to take a week off creatine every 8

You don't.

Manutd_4life

runawaybishop wrote: »

You need more than 5grams a day though, it depends on your workload and your weight. 15 for 1kg sounds about right

I've heard from friends and plenty of online forums and websites that more than 5g a day is a waste and the extra creatine will not make any difference.

runawaybishop

Manutd_4life wrote: »

I've heard from friends and plenty of online forums and websites that more than 5g a day is a waste and the extra creatine will not make any difference.

Are those friends peer reviewed scientists? There are a whole pile of myths around lifting in general and creatine in particular.

Look at it logically, heres an example. - I weigh 100kg and lift heavy 4 days a week. My friend is 60kg and lifts once a week. We both need 5 grams do we?

guile4582

runawaybishop wrote: »

Are those friends peer reviewed scientists? There are a whole pile of myths around lifting in general and creatine in particular.

Look at it logically, heres an example. - I weigh 100kg and lift heavy 4 days a week. My friend is 60kg and lifts once a week. We both need 5 grams do we?

ok its advised to take a week off every 8. but the internet is a wonderful place, for every bit of advice you can also find a bit of advice that completely contradicts it...cue Des'ree

Alf Veedersane

Examine.com should be a port of call when it comes to things like creatine.

It answers the cycling of creating pretty well:

"Do you need to cycle creatine?

No."

guile4582

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Examine.com should be a port of call when it comes to things like creatine.

It answers the cycling of creating pretty well:

"Do you need to cycle creatine?

No."

call me a traditionalist, but I usually trust my nearest and dearest, a few happen to be fitness trainers/athletes (sadly which I am not) so I am gonna go with them. but yeah once you've read up on it and happy with your sources go for whatever you think.

runawaybishop

guile4582 wrote: »

ok its advised to take a week off every 8. but the internet is a wonderful place, for every bit of advice you can also find a bit of advice that completely contradicts it...cue Des'ree

Who is it advised by though? Creatine is naturally occurring in red meat, do they also advise you to take a week off red meat every 2 months?

runawaybishop

guile4582 wrote: »

call me a traditionalist, but I usually trust my nearest and dearest, a few happen to be fitness trainers/athletes (sadly which I am not) so I am gonna go with them. but yeah once you've read up on it and happy with your sources go for whatever you think.

So you don't have any truck with logic?

cc87

runawaybishop wrote: »

So you don't have any truck with logic?

Always remember this.

papu

guile4582 wrote: »

call me a traditionalist, but I usually trust my nearest and dearest, a few happen to be fitness trainers/athletes (sadly which I am not) so I am gonna go with them. but yeah once you've read up on it and happy with your sources go for whatever you think.

That's not a traditionalist it's just being naive and pretty closed minded, it's like trusting homoeopathy over antibiotics. The science has been done, the studies are pretty conclusive... why would you put your faith in someone saying things contrary to scientific evidence just because you "like / trust" them".. I'll never understand..

endacl

Zero for me. I only take in what I eat. Not really anti supplements and what not. Just couldn't be bothered and am no way organised enough.

Dtp1979

strelok wrote: »

to making small talk with strangers in the supermarket

What are you? American?

arayess

papu wrote: »

That's not a traditionalist it's just being naive and pretty closed minded, it's like trusting homoeopathy over antibiotics. The science has been done, the studies are pretty conclusive... why would you put your faith in someone saying things contrary to scientific evidence just because you "like / trust" them".. I'll never understand..

science doesn't cover it all , there are many holes and gaps in studies.
many studies don't use "trained" individuals so mightn't be a like with like comparison (for example).
People are so varied and different that sometime studies don't cut it.

If you wait for conclusive proof, you'll be waiting years and if you are a sports person your career could have come and gone.

I think if a person thinks something like loading creatine works better for them then do that - to hell with what a study says or doesn't say


Go out there - live the bro-science and enjoy it.

runawaybishop

arayess wrote: »

science doesn't cover it all , there are many holes and gaps in studies.
many studies don't use "trained" individuals so mightn't be a like with like comparison (for example).
People are so varied and different that sometime studies don't cut it.

If you wait for conclusive proof, you'll be waiting years and if you are a sports person your career could have come and gone.

I think if a person thinks something like loading creatine works better for them then do that - to hell with what a study says or doesn't say


Go out there - live the bro-science and enjoy it.

Creatine is the most studied supplement and the science is already in. Bro-science has its place alright, but that place isn't here.

arayess

runawaybishop wrote: »

Creatine is the most studied supplement and the science is already in. Bro-science has its place alright, but that place isn't here.

You are right it has been studied to the nth degree , yet we still see new studies every week* with amazing results in creatine study. So the definitive will never (imo) be known.

If loading works for you load. If it doesn't don't.

Research and writings can point the way but the real test is how it effects you.
To blindly follow an action cos pubmed says so even though you don't find it beneficial is madness.
be it creatine or not.

*perhaps not weekly but you get the picture..

Alf Veedersane

Surely you'd start with what science suggests and then tweak to see if something works better rather than start with broscience, when both are available.

Anyway, on topic, Bulk Powders did a deal of 2.5kg of whey with 1kg free so that's 2015 sorted for 83 (including the 5kg for fiddy)

Oh yeah, plus €9 for Omega 369 and Vit B complex.

strelok

jesus christ that l-theanine kicked my ass

suggested dose of 200mg my aching balls.

ill be measuring out 100mg from here on out and then halving that, at least until I can get a scale that counts hundredths of a gramme.

DayvFit

I spent 130 euro in exchange for 2 vials of test e (will last 10-12 weeks) and a gram of dbol (will last 4 weeks)

Haven't bought a tub of protein in about a year, I bought a weight gainer from my friend half price about 6 months ago.
I have over a kilo of creatine but don't even use it anymore

Deer

I spend about 50 to 70 on supplements but that is for the husband as well. Diet would be good also.

I buy

liquid gold - love this when tired - gives me a kick up the bum
soy lechtin
Omega oils
B complex
Vitamin d
Rhodiola
Probiotics
Citricidel
Milk thistle and dandelion
Quest bars

Now the husbands diet has been the same and he doesn't exercise and has a big belly but since he started taking the milk thistle, soy lechtin and the omega his belly has definitely gone down.

I don't cars if these are placebos for me they keep me exercising or the thought they are helping does anyway

Don't know much about whey but the likelihood is I wouldn't drink it anyway.

I need to research and see if I can get some of these cheaper

_Tombstone_

Deer wrote: »

I buy


soy lechtin

I need to research and see if I can get some of these cheaper

That sh1ts in everything as it is.

You need to research and look at the links between that, gut bacteria and a nice heart attack.

arayess

strelok wrote: »

jesus christ that l-theanine kicked my ass

suggested dose of 200mg my aching balls.

ill be measuring out 100mg from here on out and then halving that, at least until I can get a scale that counts hundredths of a gramme.

tell me more , I was toying the buying some of this.

strelok

arayess wrote: »

tell me more , I was toying the buying some of this.

it just made me super relaxed. it kinda freaked me out a bit how fast and how much of an effect it had, so I was in this weird position of being the most relaxed and cosy I'd ever been while also kind of stressing out about it. i didn't feel normal again for about 4 hours and even then i was still quite comfortable

i measured out .1g this morning around 9am and then scooped a bit out (my scale only does .1's of a gram) to try a lower dose. I had a coffee straight after and I drank it quite fast, felt quite buzzed without the jittery/anxious feeling I usually get if I drink coffee too fast. I typically have to sip a mug over 2-3 hours.

I measured out another .1g just before noon and scooped a little out again. it's nowhere near as 'heavy' as it was yesterday, I feel relaxed but alert. when im sitting at the computer the relaxed feeling is most noticeable but when i'm going around the house doing stuff I have plenty of energy and focus.

if i was getting it again, knowing what I know now, I'd go for tablets or capsules instead of the powder. measuring out .1g or less is a pain in the sack. Vitacost do an own-brand version quite cheap which they say is suntheanine (trademarked high quality l-theanine). if you don't mind waiting a while for slower shipping, you could get a bottle of 100mg caps for cheap enough. would probably be the best way to try it out.

thegreatiam

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