General Ireland news thread

Richard Hillman

This is what would have happened if England had have put us into to bat on Wednesday morning

ninebeanrows

Last two wickets playground stuff

Clareman

17 overs for the shortest innings, we'd be lucky to beat that.

county

36 for 8. You have to feel for them at this stage

9 wickets down now

Barney92

callaway92 wrote: »

Bookies get those values from data providers.. Ireland were complete and utter outsiders. You're over-reacting by so much it's hilarious.

Ireland were complete outsiders beforehand but he's not wrong. Would you reckon that the Irish batters have performed well? I know some of the English bowlers are top class and the conditions aren't ideal for batting. But conditions were tricky for batting on day one and its the same attack. Apart from yesterday morning when Leach and Roy were batting Ireland's bowling was very good. The batting hasn't been great, bar Balbirnie, Stirling and O'Brien in the first innings. Even then Balbirnie and Stirling offered up chances early.

keano_afc

You cant say every side would struggle the same in these conditions to the extent Ireland are here. Not even getting 50 is embarrassing, and no amount of "shure they gave it a good go" will change that.

Hammer Archer

Joint fifth lowest innings total at the moment. Cannot see that improving.
Lowest innings total since 1955.

callaway92

Barney92 wrote: »

Ireland were complete outsiders beforehand but he's not wrong. Would you reckon that the Irish batters have performed well? I know some of the English bowlers are top class and the conditions aren't ideal for batting. But conditions were tricky for batting on day one and its the same attack. Apart from yesterday morning when Leach and Roy were batting Ireland's bowling was very good. The batting hasn't been great, bar Balbirnie, Stirling and O'Brien in the first innings. Even then Balbirnie and Stirling offered up chances early.

The batters have been poor (in awfully tough conditions).

I wouldn't be embarrassed for them etc

Clareman

callaway92 wrote: »

The batters have been poor (in awfully tough conditions).

I wouldn't be embarrassed for them etc

I don't know about that, Porterfield started out like he was playing a T20, the amount of balls that were played that didn't need to be played was unbelievable.

SharpshooterTom

keano_afc wrote: »

You cant say every side would struggle the same in these conditions to the extent Ireland are here. Not even getting 50 is embarrassing, and no amount of "shure they gave it a good go" will change that.

Australia themselves were bowled out for 60 in these conditions in 2015.

These are terrible conditions for batting. Its not "mental weakness", they're conditions basically only the very best can survive in.

Ireland also have absolutely no experience in these conditions. Welcome the harsh world of test cricket.

dulpit

Can I ask what makes the conditions so awful for batters?

Clareman

That's that

ninebeanrows

England not even celebrating

That embarassing

keano_afc

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Australia themselves were bowled out for 60 in these conditions in 2015.

These are terrible conditions for batting. Its not "mental weakness", they're conditions basically only the very best can survive in. Ireland had no chance today.

Ireland lost wickets today from crazy shot selection and terrible decision making. Its not all on the state of the wicket.

bloodless_coup

I thought cricket lasted hours?

Clareman

1 great innings and 1 terrible 1

Hammer Archer

7th lowest in history out of 2352 tests.
Ugh. My father in law will be insufferable.

bloodless_coup

Hammer Archer wrote: »

7th lowest in history out of 2352 tests.
Ugh. My father in law will be insufferable.

We'd beat them in the hurling at least.

Kermit.de.frog

Shame. What will be more remembered - the first day or the humiliation of the last? Or more likely it just won't be remembered at all.


Shame as it could have brought a new sport more in to view of the broader Irish public.


I enjoyed the novelty of it anyhow.

SharpshooterTom

dulpit wrote: »

Can I ask what makes the conditions so awful for batters?

Classic overcast English conditions. Ball moving both ways, and its exploding like a rocket when it comes off the deck.

Batsman would prefer the ball die in the surface and come more gentlier as its easy to bat with.

Australia were bowled out for 60 in 2015 and for 98 in 2010/11 in Melbourne in these exact same conditions.

English bowlers also specialise in these conditions and know how to play them. Broad and Anderson don't bowl 90+ mph like the Aussies do, but have picked up a ton of wickets when they get the opportunity to play in these overcast conditions.

The Indians call him Jimmy Clouderson for a reason.

Clareman

doylefe wrote: »

We'd beat them in the hurling at least.

Better umpires in the cricket though

KevIRL

Full refunds kick in for ticket holders if less than 15 overs played. Ireland save the ECB a nice few quid by a few balls

SharpshooterTom

keano_afc wrote: »

Ireland lost wickets today from crazy shot selection and terrible decision making. Its not all on the state of the wicket.

Its bad batting, but Ireland simply don't have the players or the experience to know how to bat in these conditions. Even then the best could only survive for so long.

BarryD2

callaway92 wrote: »

Bookies get those values from data providers.. Ireland were complete and utter outsiders. You're over-reacting by so much it's hilarious.

That was a shocker. No other words for it.

WTF have the bookies got to do with it? They're not playing last time I looked. We had a potential 180 overs to score 180 odd runs and we blew it.

riffmongous

It's frustrating that now we're back to being the plucky Irish who don't really belong. If we'd even got to 100 or something but no, back to being on the wrong end of the records

namloc1980

Pity it ended like this but Broad and Woakes are very tough to play in those conditions at the best of times. Irish batsmen simply don't face this type of bowling regularly enough to know how to deal with it.

MrKingsley

riffmongous wrote: »

It's frustrating that now we're back to being the plucky Irish who don't really belong. If we'd even got to 100 or something but no, back to being on the wrong end of the records

The most frustrating thing about today is that we were nowhere near being “plucky”. A few got out to good balls but most were awful decision making

minitrue

10 years ago they probably wouldn't even have started by the time the innings was over. New drainage means they are out there very quick after the rain stops but still dank conditions. Floodlights (which help the ball move around even more) means they are playing in conditions that might have been too dark for any sort of pace. We were easily the better team over the entire game and things outside of our control (and taking a wicket a minute too early) means we end up with people who know no better calling it a shambles.

1 minute later and we wouldn't have got an over at them at the end of day 1 and their man of the match (the only batsman who could play without any pressure) wouldn't have had a chance of scoring 10 let alone be sick he missed out on 100.

They get the hottest ever day in Lord's to bat on a day 2 pitch that really didn't do anything, we were superb to only fall a ball short of bowling them out in a day. We get rain, cloud and floodlights to help the 2018 Duke's ball they want cause it does a bit extra ... and they did bowl so much better then they have for a long time, none of the "too short" complaints, they bowled just about perfectly for the conditions.

Give us the fairly normal weather conditions of the first day for the lot and we'd have walked this. The cruel beauty of Test cricket

Beasty wrote: »

before a test and a T20 series in Zimbabwe

Extremely doubtful that will go ahead. If anyone has space in their calendar though we've certainly improved our chances of getting a call! I wonder if Pakistan have an opening, in the same way E&W long promised us a test in Lord's we've had a long history of talking to them about going over to play them in Pakistan once it can be deemed safe (and they went above and beyond in coming here to play us).

riffmongous

Yeah real pity Zim are suspended

jobeenfitz

Clareman wrote: »

Better umpires in the cricket though

Most of New Zealand would probably disagree on umpiring.