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Black Menorca

Kev W wrote: »

See this is a common mistake, the word you're actually looking for is "mythical".

Our Rally For Life gets bigger every year.

The forecast is looking good too. Bring it on.

Penny Tration

Black Menorca wrote: »

Our Rally For Life gets bigger every year.

The forecast is looking good too. Bring it on.

It's on in a few days, and you're still looking for volunteers. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a huge turnout :pac:

Black Menorca

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

It's on in a few days, and you're still looking for volunteers. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a huge turnout :pac:

We're a victim of our own success. The event is so big we need more volunteers every year.

You're more than welcome to join us.

Penny Tration

Black Menorca wrote: »

We're a victim of our own success. The event is so big we need more volunteers every year.

You're more than welcome to join us.

No thank you. I value the woman's life.

anothernight

Black Menorca wrote: »

Very fer terminations, which is great to see. None with the intention to kill the unborn, As I'd expected.

You'd think Irish doctors are ignorant of their own pregnancy-terminating actions when they perform abortions, the way you go on about intention to kill.

Very few terminations, you say, but you appeared to expect none to have happened. Your whole argument (if it can be called that) hinged on that.

In no particular order...

Black Menorca wrote: »

How many babies have been killed in the womb because their mothers declared they were suicidal?

Black Menorca wrote: »

So, how many babies have been killed in the womb by way of this legislation? None?

EDIT: Removed a few "how many women have committed suicide" questions, because I don't think Black Menorca would understand the point...

PopePalpatine

I see the myth of the 50,000 has been trotted out. The organisers claimed that they had filled one side of Merrion Square...and that is FAR from 50,000.

Not a NSA agent

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I see the myth of the 50,000 has been trotted out. The organisers claimed that they had filled one side of Merrion Square...and that is FAR from 50,000.

You need to take into account a pregnant woman is 2 people.

lazygal

So there were only 7,000 born and unborn in attendance.

I see Black Menorca is still peddling the line about unborn not being directly targeted to save a woman's life, even though that's exactly what happened26 times last year.

Not a NSA agent

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

You need to take into account a pregnant woman is 2 people.

Each pregnant woman is pregnant with at least quadruplets, over 50k in attendance.

Take that PopePalatine.

Black Menorca

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

No thank you. I value the woman's life.

There will be far more women than men at the rally on Saturday. Go figure.

Black Menorca

anothernight wrote: »

You'd think Irish doctors are ignorant of their own pregnancy-terminating actions when they perform abortions, the way you go on about intention to kill.

Very few terminations, you say, but you appeared to expect none to have happened. Your whole argument (if it can be called that) hinged on that.

In no particular order...







EDIT: Removed a few "how many women have committed suicide" questions, because I don't think Black Menorca would understand the point...

As I said, the one worrying aspect is those 3 terminations because of the suicide threat.

anothernight

Black Menorca wrote: »

There will be far more women than men at the rally on Saturday. Go figure.

Any of them of childbearing age? (lovely picture in the article I linked to)

Call me selfish, but as a woman of childbearing age, I'll be protecting myself by not going.

anothernight

Black Menorca wrote: »

As I said, the one worrying aspect is those 3 terminations because of the suicide threat.

What about the other 23? Was your argument... er... how do I put this... irrelevant? Are you now ok with the 23 abortions? (medical terminations, if you want to call them that) Are you still proud that Ireland doesn't carry out abortions?

Black Menorca

anothernight wrote: »

Any of them of childbearing age? (lovely picture in the article I linked to)

Call me selfish, but as a woman of childbearing age, I'll be protecting myself by not going.

What a strange, ageist question. Anyway, happy to clarify for you....:

Black Menorca

anothernight wrote: »

What about the other 23? Was your argument... er... how do I put this... irrelevant? Are you now ok with the 23 abortions? (medical terminations, if you want to call them that) Are you still proud that Ireland doesn't carry out abortions?

Of course. The intention was to protect the mother. Which I have supported since the start of this thread. Really, you should know this by now.

lazygal

What does "protect them" mean? Will women suddenly be forced into a Marie Stopes clinic (I hear the CEO makes 500k a year!!!!!) against their will? What about protecting the 26 unborn affected by abortion last year, why was the woman's life paramount in those cases?

Black Menorca

lazygal wrote: »

What does "protect them" mean? Will women suddenly be forced into a Marie Stopes clinic (I hear the CEO makes 500k a year!!!!!) against their will? What about protecting the 26 unborn affected by abortion last year, why was the woman's life paramount in those cases?

We have deemed it so via X Case legislation passed by our political representatives last year. Tragic as those 26 lost lives are.

lazygal

Black Menorca wrote: »

We have deemed it so via X Case legislation passed by our political representatives last year. Tragic as those 26 lost lives are.

So you're ok with the direct targeting of 26 unborn lives. What about the ones directly targeted when women travel abroad for abortions?

anothernight

Black Menorca wrote: »

What a strange, ageist question. Anyway, happy to clarify for you....:
[pics]

Not ageist. It's true that only women of childbearing age, the women who should have autonomy over their own bodies (which we don't in Ireland, at present) are the only ones who can actually get pregnant. Anyone else can well have an opinion, but it's unsavoury at best to be told what a woman (of childbearing age) can do to her own body, as if she were a child. Not that I expect you to understand.

Fair enough, you've got pictures. I pointed out a picture too, of elderly people in one of those marches. I see that not all the pictures show such a capable-of-pregnancy population: http://www.demotix.com/news/2227705/7th-all-ireland-rally-life-marched-through-dublin#media-2229128

Black Menorca wrote: »

Of course. The intention was to protect the mother. Which I have supported since the start of this thread. Really, you should know this by now.

You're very insulting to Irish doctors. Do you honestly believe that the doctors didn't know that they were killing the foetuses? What I know is that a medical termination (colloquially called an abortion*) is the killing of a foetus. Whether to save the life of the woman or not, the foetus is still killed. The doctors performing such terminations knew this. You might not like it, but intention doesn't change the fact. 26 women in Ireland were saved by doctors who killed their foetuses. And, get this... before the law was changed, even that wasn't legal. You appear to like that fact too.


*Hey, in Spanish even miscarriages are abortions!

Black Menorca

lazygal wrote: »

So you're ok with the direct targeting of 26 unborn lives. What about the ones directly targeted when women travel abroad for abortions?

Would you like me to quote Minister Varadker?

Mr Varadkar said: “Abortion is illegal in Ireland except where there is a threat to the life of the mother. In these circumstances, it is a matter for the patient and her doctors.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/health-minister-confirms-26-abortions-5970477

I, for one, am brimming with pride of our achievement, despite the abortion lobby throwing the kitchen sink at us. we still stand firm and maintain the criminality of their nefarious acts.

lazygal

Black Menorca wrote: »

Would you like me to quote Minister Varadker?

Mr Varadkar said: “Abortion is illegal in Ireland except where there is a threat to the life of the mother. In these circumstances, it is a matter for the patient and her doctors.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/health-minister-confirms-26-abortions-5970477

I, for one, am brimming with pride of our achievement, despite the abortion lobby throwing the kitchen sink at us. we still stand firm and maintain the criminality of their nefarious acts.

Directly targeting26 unborn lives is a source of pride and achievement for you?

Black Menorca

anothernight wrote: »

Fair enough, you've got pictures.

Happy to clarify that for you.

Black Menorca

lazygal wrote: »

Directly targeting26 unborn lives is a source of pride and achievement for you?

I stand by the Constitution and X Case legislation, with pride.

With the caveat of grave concern over suicide threats used as justification for a termination.

lazygal

Black Menorca wrote: »

I stand by the Constitution and X Case legislation, with pride.

With the caveat of grave concern over suicide threats used as justification for a termination.

So only 23 abortions are a source of pride and achievement for you?

The Black Oil

Black Menorca wrote: »

We're a victim of our own success. The event is so big we need more volunteers every year.

You're more than welcome to join us.

Can you tell us how the figures announced by the Minister will be discussed at this event - will be they mentioned factually, or spun into a sound bite about Ireland having a "liberal" relationship with abortion?

Black Menorca

The Black Oil wrote: »

Can you tell us how the figures announced by the Minister will be discussed at this event - will be they mentioned factually, or spun into a sound bite about Ireland having a "liberal" relationship with abortion?

Come along and find out for yourself.

PopePalpatine

Chances are there's a few hundred more considering the activities of WomenOnWeb.

pmasterson95

Hahahahaha "pro choice" "pro woman" on the same banner. Thats hilarious

traprunner

The one thing this Rally For What Has The Potential To Be Life will achieve is boosting our tourist numbers. With the Euro so weak against the dollar there will be plenty from the US in attendance.

K-9

Leave the modding stuff to the mods and admins, thanks.