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    #1862
    Not a NSA agent
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    swampgas wrote: »
    Why? She didn't have an abortion, because she had a choice.

    Does allowing women to make their own decisions scare you that much?

    Obviously you prefer the constitution to take away women's autonomy as soon as they become pregnant, because women can't be trusted to decide for themselves? So much better if Black Menorca and pals decide for them instead ...

    Only select people should have the ability to coerce.


    I thought it was about preventing babies being slaughtered by McBortions but now the opinion of the woman suddenly comes into it.


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    #1863
    Kev W
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    am946745 wrote: »
    Look what happens when you have on demand abortion.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136010/Pregnant-woman-sacked-fundraising-firm-refusing-boss-s-demands-abortion.html

    I'm curious in what way you think this story supports an anti abortion position.


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    #1864
    volchitsa
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    Kev W wrote: »
    I'm curious in what way you think this story supports an anti abortion position.

    Or in what way Ireland's wee pretendy ban on abortion would stop an Irish boss from issuing the same threat to an employee.


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    #1865
    PopePalpatine
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    It's the Daily Mail, its readers need to keep their hatred of women alive somehow.


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    #1866
    Black Menorca
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    Or in what way Ireland's wee pretendy ban on abortion would stop an Irish boss from issuing the same threat to an employee.

    I'm still proud Ireland stands in the face of the abortion industry and its agents in maintaining the criminal status of their business interests.


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    #1867
    PopePalpatine
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    Yawn.


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    #1868
    Not a NSA agent
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    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*


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    #1869
    volchitsa
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    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*

    Well maybe I can help you there. As ever (biggest gay bar in Europe, anyone?) The Catholic Church Ltd., via one or other of its various business outlets has its finger in just about any service where there is money to be made : http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2013/05/archdiocese-of-new-york-health-plan-covers-contraception-and-abortion-services.html

    "New York Health Plan Covers Contraception and Abortion Services"


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    #1870
    am946745
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    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Anyone know where I can invest in this abortion industry? Must be worth a fortune if its as huge as its made out to be here. I guess you could say I'd make a killing *wink wink*

    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?


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    #1871
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,052 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    am946745 wrote: »
    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?

    Misoprostol was developed as an anti-ulcer drug, and is still used in that indication. Its tendency to provoke early labour is a side effect, and was initially (and still is) used both to speed up labour when necessary and to declench labour in cases of fetal death in-utero. It would take an imbecile not to work out that any drug that declenches labour is likely to cause abortions.

    So unless you're going to insist that a drugs company puts strict controls on the legal uses of all of its products, you're hardly going to be able to make much of a case for this so-called "abortion industry" from a mere pharmaceutical company.

    They're no more guilty than a Vatican whose dioceses finance abortions on company healthcare for their employees, are they? Though a lot less hypocritical, I grant you that! :D


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    #1872
    am946745
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    Misoprostol was developed as an anti-ulcer drug, and is still used in that indication. Its tendency to provoke early labour is a side effect, and was initially (and still is) used both to speed up labour when necessary and to declench labour in cases of fetal death in-utero. It would take an imbecile not to work out that any drug that declenches labour is likely to cause abortions.

    So unless you're going to insist that a drugs company puts strict controls on the legal uses of all of its products, you're hardly going to be able to make much of a case for this so-called "abortion industry" from a mere pharmaceutical company.

    They're no more guilty than a Vatican whose dioceses finance abortions on company healthcare for their employees, are they? Though a lot less hypocritical, I grant you that! :D

    So nobody is profiting from abortion? And what has the vatican got to do with the thread?


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    #1873
    volchitsa
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    am946745 wrote: »
    So nobody is profiting from abortion?
    Pharmaceutical companies profit from cancer, from malaria, from starving children and poor water supplies that cause diarrhea in kids. From people suffering from high blood pressure, from diabetes and epilepsy - any number of other problems. If you have a problem with capitalism, you might have a point, though most people in our society seem to feel that only complete cranks complain about pharmaceutical companies making money from legal drug production.

    If you don't have a problem with them making profits from other medication, or with them making profits from a product when it's used for one legal activity but think they're evil when it's used for a different, equally legal activity, then you can't be expected to be taken seriously.

    In particular you cant expect your criticism to be understood as anything other than yet another desperate attempt to disguise your real motives behind spurious ones.
    am946745 wrote: »
    And what has the vatican got to do with the thread?
    The Vatican supports "abortion industries" (if such a thing exists) by U.S. Dioceses paying for abortions for their employees.

    Which is kind of hypocritical, to say the least.


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    #1874
    lazygal
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    http://www.alternet.org/belief/fetus-not-person-if-it-costs-us-money-says-catholic-church

    Did someone say hypocrisy?


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    #1875
    am946745
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    lazygal wrote: »
    http://www.alternet.org/belief/fetus-not-person-if-it-costs-us-money-says-catholic-church

    Did someone say hypocrisy?

    A Catholic Hospital is not the Catholic Church, I don't know how they are relevant to this thread? The argument against abortion is not a religious one its a secular one.


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    #1876
    volchitsa
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    am946745 wrote: »
    A Catholic Hospital is not the Catholic Church, I don't know how they are relevant to this thread?
    What's your understanding of how practices in a Catholic hospital in the U.S. are meant to differ from a non-Catholic one?
    am946745 wrote: »
    The argument against abortion is not a religious one its a secular one.
    What on earth do you mean by a "secular argument"? As as I know secularism has nothing to say about abortion at all. Does it?


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    #1877
    am946745
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    What on earth do you mean by a "secular argument"? As as I know secularism has nothing to say about abortion at all. Does it?

    The Eight amendment was not a Catholic one, it was a civil secular amendment.


    http://www.secularprolife.org


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    #1878
    Black Menorca
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    am946745 wrote: »
    The Eight amendment was not a Catholic one, it was a civil secular amendment.


    http://www.secularprolife.org

    Spot on.


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    #1879
    anothernight
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    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839


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    #1880
    Not a NSA agent
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    am946745 wrote: »
    What about http://www.novellabs.net... Who make Misoprostol.. Do you think its made for Free?

    You think the companies that support the Abortion industry are NFP's?

    My friend had one hell of an abortion then, the doctors aborted those ulcers. What about these places making lots of money with 34 week abortion?

    Since you returned, will you be explaining how our abortion laws prevent a womans boss telling her to get an abortion or why a boss failing to coerce a woman into having an abortion is a bad thing?
    anothernight wrote: »
    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839

    Why are they calling them abortion? I thought they weren't called that when the womans life is at risk.


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    #1881
    Black Menorca
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    anothernight wrote: »
    Ah, yes. Hopefully this year they won't lie about the turnout.


    Oh, this reminds me. Black Menorca, the figures you so eagerly wanted have now been published. 26 abortions on Irish soil under the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/26-terminations-carried-out-under-protection-of-life-during-pregnancy-bill-1.2266839

    I've no need to lie, but I daresay the turnout will be phenom.

    Very fer terminations, which is great to see. None with the intention to kill the unborn, As I'd expected.

    The abortion industry is as far as ever in getting a grubby foothold in this country.

    The worry is the 3 due to suicide ideation. Though very low, its the one avenue that could lead to liberalisation.


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    #1882
    p1akuw47h5r3it
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    http://www.thejournal.ie/abortions-ireland-26-2188298-Jun2015/

    26 Terminations carried out under the new legislation according to Leo Varadker. Make of it what you will.


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    #1883
    pmasterson95
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I can't wait for Saturday. Its going to be legendary.

    Lots of help needed with the organising so please volunteer if you can, otherwise see you there. :)

    Struggling for numbers to organise the ****e? Not suprising


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    #1884
    Black Menorca
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    Bernadette Smyths conviction for harrassing former Loyalist Terror apologist and now apologist for Marie Stopes, Dawn Purvis, has been overturned by the Court of Appeal in Belfast. :)


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-33317597


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    #1885
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    DanDan6592 wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/abortions-ireland-26-2188298-Jun2015/

    26 Terminations carried out under the new legislation according to Leo Varadker. Make of it what you will.

    So no queues for abortions like some of the fanatics would claim would happen.


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    #1886
    Black Menorca
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So no queues for abortions like some of the fanatics would claim would happen.

    I always had faith in the X Case legislation. One termination every fortnight would be consistant with levels before the law was passed I'd say.


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    #1887
    Black Menorca
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    Every life counts.


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    #1888
    pmasterson95
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Every life counts.

    Even if its the pregnant teenager you want locked up until she gives birth?

    Your mask has fallen weeks ago BM.


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    #1889
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Every life counts.

    Unless they are Sunni Muslim right?


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    #1890
    Penny Tration
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Unless they are Sunni Muslim right?

    :pac: I spat diet coke on my phone. Thank you :o


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    #1891
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I can't wait for Saturday. Its going to be legendary.

    Lots of help needed with the organising so please volunteer if you can, otherwise see you there. :)

    See this is a common mistake, the word you're actually looking for is "mythical".


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