Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

Turtwig

Deulofeu had so much potential. Hopefully at Everton he might actually kick on. Neither Emery or Enrique or Pep for that liked him though. His attitude was apparently toxic. Not one to work to improve. Dennis Suarez meanwhile could be seeing first team football next season with iniesta dipping into a deeper Xavi type role.

Liverpool looking to be doing the transfer thing properly this time around.

Have man Utd actually strengthened anything yet??

cson

Turtwig wrote: »

Deulofeu had so much potential. Hopefully at Everton he might actually kick on. Neither Emery or Enrique or Pep for that liked him though. His attitude was apparently toxic. Not one to work to improve. Dennis Suarez meanwhile could be seeing first team football next season with iniesta dipping into a deeper Xavi type role.

Liverpool looking to be doing the transfer thing properly this time around.

Have man Utd actually strengthened anything yet??

Look forward to seeing him; was at the Limerick - City friendly a few years back and he was head and shoulders above everyone else on a pitch that had the likes of Nasri, Milner etc on it.

Harry Palmr

glued wrote: »

That's complete nonsense.

I'd say it would be hard to judge Shaw as he played about 1200 minutes of football last season, whereas Clyne played 3500

Harry Palmr

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/25/bournemouth-tyrone-mings-ipswich-town

Tyrone Mings joins Bournemouth for 8 million! and he's only a left back. Crazy spending to me.

Shanotheslayer

I'll never understand this thing of '' Only a Full Back''. As if it's any less of a position. Some full backs can give more goals and assists than Wingers ffs.

Paully D

Harry Palmr wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/25/bournemouth-tyrone-mings-ipswich-town

Tyrone Mings joins Bournemouth for 8 million! and he's only a left back. Crazy spending to me.

Reportedly a very good prospect (I haven't seen a whole lot of him myself) and is a cracking bloke by all accounts but I agree with you on that.

I do think full back is a position you can get away with or to a certain extent carry at bottom half/lower mid-table level and considering I can't see them having a huge budget this offseason, I'd be focusing my money elsewhere if I were them (or at least spending less of it on an upgrade at that position).

That said, if he has a similar impact as Clyne did when moving from Championship Palace to Premier League Southampton he could command a big fee which may be playing into the Bournemouth boards thinking. Even if they do go down if he shines on a Premier League platform they could well profit. If not, they have a player who has proven to be one if, if not the best at his position in the Championship.

Certainly an interesting move to kick things off for them anyway.

cson

The owner does a version of moneyball though doesn't he? Could be that.

Lucas Hood

Everton Luke Garbutt is supposed to be going on loan at Bournemouth.

Well so bt said last night during the England u21 game.

Moneymaker

At the highest levels you won't do **** all without quality full backs.

Look at Belgium.

Take Cafu and Carlos out of Brazil and their club teams. Ditto Thuram and Lizarazu, Maldini. Lahm, Alves and Alba.

It's overlooked but it's a hugely important position.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/614065546703736832

Spurs closing in on Toby Alderweireld.

Chrissybhoy

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'll never understand this thing of '' Only a Full Back''. As if it's any less of a position. Some full backs can give more goals and assists than Wingers ffs.

True that. Full back are now more important than ever with not many out and out wingers in the game anymore. Good full backs backs are massive.

rob316

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/614065546703736832

Spurs closing in on Toby Alderweireld.

Very good signing

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

Have man Utd actually strengthened anything yet??

United have signed Depay and have a squad filled with players that should improve next season without a new system to learn. There will be signings but the likes of Di Maria, Shaw, Herrera, Rojo and a few others should be able to step it up a level.

There's still a few who I'd have in the maybe pile going forward, I'd be hopeful of a big season from one of Smalling, Jones or Evans depending on who's signed and whoever leaves. Reports of Schniederlin are welcome as he'd be a great signing. A different type of option up front would be welcome too but one of Wilson and Pereira I'd hope can provide decent cover around those positions.

The only positions I'd have United short would be CM and RB. The squad is very strong, the first team quality can be lacking at times but like I said I'd expect that to improve after a year with LVG's rigid system.

JPA

cson wrote: »

The owner does a version of moneyball though doesn't he? Could be that.

That's Brentford.

Pro. F

JPA wrote: »

That's Brentford.

*removes thanks*

Winston Payne

Turtwig wrote: »

Deulofeu had so much potential. Hopefully at Everton he might actually kick on. Neither Emery or Enrique or Pep for that liked him though. His attitude was apparently toxic. Not one to work to improve. Dennis Suarez meanwhile could be seeing first team football next season with iniesta dipping into a deeper Xavi type role.

Liverpool looking to be doing the transfer thing properly this time around.

Have man Utd actually strengthened anything yet??

Depay was badly needed. United were crying out for penetration from wide and more pace in the team. The speed of our breaks was very slow last year. We've got a fair bit of work to do mind. Replacements are needed for De Gea, Valencia and Carrick in the first team along with another starting centre half. Another striker and a winger are needed too in my opinion. A central midfielder I could take or leave.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/standardsport/status/614123779007102976

Paulinho nearing Tottenham exit after agreeing terms with Chinese side Guangzhou Evergrande

CSF

Now, that is a fall from grace. It just goes to show you with players coming from abroad, that no matter how good they look abroad, aside from the really top class ones Sanchez, Suarez, Aguero kind of thing, the success rate is really hit or miss.

Which is why I think it's unfair to some extent when people baulk at a player with Premier League experience being priced higher than an equivalent without experience of English football.

Harry Palmr

Crickey, he cost about 17 million didn't he?

Soldado next? I'd not be surprised.

inforfun

Good thing for Spurs the Chinese pay stupid money for players. Might not lose much on him.

CSF

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Crickey, he cost about 17 million didn't he?

Soldado next? I'd not be surprised.

I've seen Soldado to Turkey rumours in some of the darker corners of the football Internet.

Gbear

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'll never understand this thing of '' Only a Full Back''. As if it's any less of a position. Some full backs can give more goals and assists than Wingers ffs.

Good full backs give more than really **** wingers perhaps.

When you get right down to it, it's the least important part of the team.
They can certainly have an impact, but the best full back in the world isn't going to transform a team whereas players that can score or keep the ball out of the net absolutely can.

If you're already a good team but need to work in the margins - need more width against packed defences, need more solidity on the break, need better delivery from out wide, a very good full back might eke you out another few points over a season, but it needs to be the garnish - the diminishing returns you need to round out a top quality squad - to notice much of a difference.

The most important thing about Clyne is that it stops us playing loads of non full backs at full back.

Clyne's success is almost as much down to how good Can is next season.

Can't believe the stuff going on between Real and Utd.

Insane money touted for Ramos and De Gea leaving for sfa. Madrid taking Utd to the cleaners.

Surely it's all massively exaggerated?

Rayne Wooney

Would be delighted with Ramos coming in, the alternatives looked bleak the last couple of weeks we probably would have got £20 million out of De Gea in a straight sale. £40 million is probably the going rate for a player like Ramos so €30 million plus the valuation of De Gea isn't far off in reality

Don't think there's a better defender than Ramos in the league

Degag

rarnes1 wrote: »

Can't believe the stuff going on between Real and Utd.

Insane money touted for Ramos and De Gea leaving for sfa. Madrid taking Utd to the cleaners.

Surely it's all massively exaggerated?

Would have to agree. Posted it in the Utd thread. As good as Ramos is, paying (reportedly) 20m plus De Gea is criminal considering that Ramos is 29.

I still don't think Ramos is coming though.

glued

rarnes1 wrote: »

Can't believe the stuff going on between Real and Utd.

Insane money touted for Ramos and De Gea leaving for sfa. Madrid taking Utd to the cleaners.

Surely it's all massively exaggerated?

When the likes of Carroll and Firmino are going for £30M it means the market is distorted. Decent players like Ramos are going to go for a lot more. Not sure why you find that so hard to believe. Also DDG is in the last year of his deal.

glued

Degag wrote: »

Would have to agree. Posted it in the Utd thread. As good as Ramos is, paying (reportedly) 20m plus De Gea is criminal considering that Ramos is 29.

I still don't think Ramos is coming though.

It's a completely stupid deal but that's the market today. Not sure why people are surprised

Ramos is brilliant

glued

glued wrote: »

When the likes of Carroll and Firmino are going for £30M it means the market is distorted. Decent players like Ramos are going to go for a lot more. Not sure why you find that so hard to believe. Also DDG is in the last year of his deal.

I also blame Carroll and Firmino.


Utd need to play hard ball with Madrid and De Gea if necessary. How he was let get down to one year left is pretty astounding given how much he has been improving year on year. Incompetence.

glued

rarnes1 wrote: »

I also blame Carroll and Firmino.


Utd need to play hard ball with Madrid and De Gea if necessary. How he was let get down to one year left is pretty astounding given how much he has been improving year on year. Incompetence.

He was offered a contract ages ago. He didn't want to sign. He told the club he would sign a deal if we qualified for the CL but he was already in negotiations with Real Madrid.