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    #92
    triple nipple
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭triple nipple


    hamza81 wrote:
    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Here in the UK more people are accepting Islam than any other faith or religion. Most of those who accept Islam are women. If Islam was so "backward" and "oppressive" against women then why are so many women converting to Islam everyday?


    Why do so many women stay in abusive relationships


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    #93
    Merry Prankster
    Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Merry Prankster


    raah! wrote: »
    No you don't, yes there is.

    What more is there then?
    raah! wrote: »
    I never used the word sceptics, and I explicitly used the term "new atheist" to describe the category that your beliefs fit in to. You don't know what the word evidence means.

    New Atheist? Category of beliefs? Just because I'm yet to be convinced about the existence of a god?
    P.S. I said credible evidence.
    P.P.S. There's no need to be patronising; I have a fairly good grasp of the English language.
    raah! wrote: »
    You don't understand reasoning or logic.

    What have reasoning and logic got to do with religion? :confused:
    P.S. Again with the patronising.


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    #94
    Spirogyra
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Spirogyra


    triple nipple wrote: »
    Why do so many women stay in abusive relationships

    It's possibly off topic, but reasons include because they are broken mentally by the abuse,also having nowhere obvious to go, fear of the unknown, fear of not being able cope alone, lack of support,,money the kids etc... No matter how bad things are, there's a sort of security, it's not easy to start again, especially if as is likely one is in a bad place emotionally..... It's not easy to leave an abusive (Islamic or other) relationship/marriage for these reasons....


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    #95
    raah!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    Merry Prankster wrote: »
    What more is there then?

    What more there is to new atheism beyond the one sentence denial of the existence of god can be found spread throughout the new atheist literature.

    -Scientism
    -Moral absolutism
    -Anti theism
    -Naieve Scientific Realism
    -Modernistic Notions of progress

    etc.

    There are many others there too. I apologise for the patronising, but culture from which you draw your opinions is itself inherently patronising and offensive. Do you really think the OP wanted an espousal of new atheist philosophy when she came on here?

    New Atheist? Category of beliefs? Just because I'm yet to be convinced about the existence of a god?
    P.S. I said credible evidence.
    P.P.S. There's no need to be patronising; I have a fairly good grasp of the English language.
    Oh, the credible slipped by me. I inferred you were a member of this group because of your use of arguments similar to those used by some of the figureheads, your reference to these figureheads, and the probable motivation for your posting here.

    Edit: Also in the section I had quoted you just said evidence.
    What have reasoning and logic got to do with religion? :confused:
    P.S. Again with the patronising.
    Reasoning and logic have to do with all beliefs. (And I mean belief in the most general sense. I mean the belief that I am typing on a computer as much as the belief that there is a deity)


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    #96
    Kalman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 233 ✭✭Kalman


    hamza81 wrote: »
    Hi there,

    I can see from some of the responses in this thread that there seems to be a lot of ignorance of Islam and Muslims and what being a Muslim is really all about.

    Firstly sister if you feel in your heart that you are certain that there is only one God and that Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is the last of the Messengers sent by God then you are essentially a Muslim. All that you need to do is to proclaim your faith with your tongue and heart. That is all there is to it. God guides whom he wills and it is clear that he is wanting to guide you. So walk towards him and he will run towards you.

    So say the following with full conviction from your heart:

    Ash hadoo Allah Ilaaha Illallaah Wa Ash Hadoo Anna Muhammadan Abduhoo Wara Sooloo

    I proclaim that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the slave and Messenger of Allah.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Here in the UK more people are accepting Islam than any other faith or religion. Most of those who accept Islam are women. If Islam was so "backward" and "oppressive" against women then why are so many women converting to Islam everyday?

    That is because those who think in such a way have no knowledge of Islam and Muslims except what they see and hear on the media or from other ignorant people. If those things were true then no one would convert to Islam but a few. But that is not the case as more people are accepting Islam than any other faith or belief on the face of this Earth.

    So to those who know nothing about Islam I would urge you to look into it with an open heart. Read the translation of the Qur'an with its meanings and commentary rather than taking lies from the media and only then will you see the truth!

    With regards to how others will treat you then there is no doubt you will find many sisters will welcome you with open arms. You will find a lot of help and support. Many Masjids nowadays have regular programmes and courses for new Muslims and you will find new Muslim sisters groups so that you can get specialist support as a new Muslim. You will be surprised to find many new Muslim women like you who you can befriend. So I would urge you to get in contact with a few Mosques in your area and they will help and guide you. If you need help with this then please let me know and I can try and put you in contact with the right people.

    With regards to finding a partner then again not only will you find many new Muslim men looking for partners but you will also find many born Muslim men who are looking for new Muslim women to marry. So I would not worry at all my sister as God is the one who matches his creation into pairs so ask of him and trust in him and he will find you the best partner for you.

    With regards to your child then it depends how will they are but if you have found the truth then surely you would also want the same for your child. Just like we want the best for our children in this life then as Muslims we know that the Hereafter is the real life so we also want the best for our children in the Hereafter. Therefore as you are learning then teach your child the same. Whatever decisions our children make when they grow up is upto them as long as we did our best to teach them the right things and bring them up in the right way.

    Obviously anyone accepting Islam is going to experience challenges and hurdles just like born Muslims experiences challenges and hurdles. We are human we all face different challenges each day. But these challenges and hurdles are a part of our test by God. God tests each of us in different ways in order to see how we will react whether we will we get closer to him or more further away.

    But know that what ever challenges you will face then you will find many people who will be more than willing to help and support you. You will also find a large number of converted Muslim sisters who will befriend you and you can go through this amazing journey together.

    There is no doubt your life will change for the better forever. You will have a renewed focus in life. Something to live for. No words can describe it. I have a few friends who I have helped to convert at the Mosque and they are more happy than they have ever imagined. Yes they have faced many challenges but that is what makes one closer to God. If we had no challenges then how will we grow and learn?

    So my sister do not worry. If God led you to the truth then he will not just abandon you after that. Take one step at a time. The first thing is to accept the Shahahda as we do not know when our last moment will be.

    If you need anymore help and advice then please do not hesitate to ask.

    Take your preaching elsewhere, it's not welcome!


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    #97
    Kalman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 233 ✭✭Kalman


    Strawberry33 wrote: »
    My child wouldn't, just me.

    I am looking for meaning, structure and support in my life.

    This is not the place.


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    #98
    Tom Dunne
    Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Kalman wrote: »
    Take your preaching elsewhere, it's not welcome!

    If you have a problem with a post, report it.


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    #99
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    No, learn more about your Catholic faith and learn about the secrets of Fatima. You will be truly amazed. Very special. Don't convert to islam as it's a man made ideology invented by the Arabian empire. Good luck xx


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    #100
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    hamza81 wrote: »
    When I said that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world I meant by conversion not birth.

    In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102)

    In the west in the Uk, Europe and the Americas more people are converting to Islam than any other faith or belief on the face of this Earth most of them women.

    You can copy and paste one story of an "ex Muslim" and I can paste you tens of stories from those who have converted to Islam from their own accounts.

    You say I am "urging" conversion. Well from reading your posts in this thread you are "urging" her not to convert.

    So I am wrong If I urge her to convert but you are right if you urge her not to? Talk about double standards.

    Your comments in this thread wreak of ignorance and intolerance.

    This is islamic propaganda to be honest. Hardly anyone converts to pagan islam in Ireland because we are good at detecting rubbish. Firstly, you say so many people are converting to pagan islam... what percentage of the overall population are converts to islam? it's minute isnt it?? Perspective is key!!

    Secondly , over 75% of converts to pagan islam leave it within 3-4 years.

    Hamza ireland will not see islam grow here by conversions as we are all catholic and not as secularized like the UK where there is a void spiritually. We are happy being Catholic and I have met a muslim in Ireland from Africa who converted to Catholic, his dad is an imam. Imagine how tough that decision was for him?!!

    Hamza i would urge you to learn from Dr Nabeel Qureshi and Dr Ravi Zacharias. I can also give you debates where Ahmed deedat is defeated and Dr Zakir Naik refuted if you wish. Muslim apolegetics give you one narrow perspective but if you study closer you too will leave islam like so many and become Christian.

    Good luck and PM me if you need any help (i also know ex muslims and arab christians should you want to contact them)


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    #101
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Please stop saying that we are all Catholic. We bloody well are NOT all Catholic.


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    #102
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    Please stop saying that we are all Catholic. We bloody well are NOT all Catholic.


    The majority of us are all Catholic, i dont understand why that bothers you? Anyway thats off topic.


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    #103
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    The majority of us are all Catholic, i dont understand why that bothers you? Anyway thats off topic.

    Is it? I think it is fairly important to point out that there are plenty of people with structure, meaning and support in their lives who do not adhere to any particular religion, it may help provide an alternative perspective to the OP.


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    #104
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    The majority of us are all Catholic, i dont understand why that bothers you? Anyway thats off topic.

    You assumed the OP is Catholic and told her not to convert. You then claim we are all Catholic, when we're not.

    If you want to speak about Catholicism, there's a Christianity forum.


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    #105
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    You assumed the OP is Catholic and told her not to convert. You then claim we are all Catholic, when we're not.

    If you want to speak about Catholicism, there's a Christianity forum.

    That's just being pedantic. It's save to say 99% of the time if you're Irish, you're Catholic. No big deal.


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    #106
    Penny Tration
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    niamhstokes wrote: »
    That's just being pedantic. It's save to say 99% of the time if you're Irish, you're Catholic. No big deal.

    Not even close to 99%.


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    #107
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    That's just being pedantic. It's save to say 99% of the time if you're Irish, you're Catholic. No big deal.
    No, it is not. I have pointed this out to you on several occasions in the past on this forum and you wilfully ignore it due to your quite obvious bias.


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    #108
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    No, it is not. I have pointed this out to you on several occasions in the past on this forum and you wilfully ignore it due to your quite obvious bias.

    We are all basically Catholic, some are Protestant and a tiny amount are no religion.


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    #109
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Kalman wrote: »
    Take your preaching elsewhere, it's not welcome!
    Well it is the Islam forum, not my cup of tea but then again neither is religion in general.


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    #110
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    We are all basically Catholic, some are Protestant and a tiny amount are no religion.
    No, we are not.


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    #111
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    We are all basically Catholic, some are Protestant and a tiny amount are no religion.

    In 2011, 84.2% of the population identified themselves as Roman Catholic, 2.6% less than 5 years earlier, although the number of Catholics increased by 179,889.[1] The second largest Christian denomination, the Church of Ireland (Anglican), declined in membership for most of the twentieth century, but has more recently experienced an increase, as have other small Christian denominations. Other significant Protestant denominations are the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, followed by the Methodist Church in Ireland. The country's Hindu and Muslim populations have experienced significant growth in recent years, due chiefly to immigration.[2]

    In the 2011 census, 7.6% of the population had no religion or did not indicate a religious belief.


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    #112
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    No, learn more about your Catholic faith and learn about the secrets of Fatima. You will be truly amazed. Very special. Don't convert to islam as it's a man made ideology invented by the Arabian empire. Good luck xx
    Not to defend Islam above any other religion but why do you single it out as being man made? Would you not consider Christianity to be similarly constructed?


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    #113
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    In 2011, 84.2% of the population identified themselves as Roman Catholic, 2.6% less than 5 years earlier, although the number of Catholics increased by 179,889.[1] The second largest Christian denomination, the Church of Ireland (Anglican), declined in membership for most of the twentieth century, but has more recently experienced an increase, as have other small Christian denominations. Other significant Protestant denominations are the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, followed by the Methodist Church in Ireland. The country's Hindu and Muslim populations have experienced significant growth in recent years, due chiefly to immigration.[2]

    In the 2011 census, 7.6% of the population had no religion or did not indicate a religious belief.
    As I pointed out to you before, the Census does not measure religiosity - just because people tick the box that says Catholic (or any other religion for that matter) doesn't mean they practice the religion in any way or even believe in a god.


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    #114
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    As I pointed out to you before, the Census does not measure religiosity - just because people tick the box that says Catholic doesn't mean they practice the religion in any way or even believe in a god.

    Where did I say it did or talk about measuring religiosity? Now now frank ;)

    Anyway you have changed the topic. Get back on topic or open a new post!


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    #115
    ConstantJoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭ConstantJoe


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    As I pointed out to you before, the Census does not measure religiosity - just because people tick the box that says Catholic (or any other religion for that matter) doesn't mean they practice the religion in any way or even believe in a god.

    I wouldn't call 7.6% of the country a "tiny" amount either.


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    #116
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    In 2011, 84.2% of the population identified themselves as Roman Catholic, 2.6% less than 5 years earlier, although the number of Catholics increased by 179,889.[1] The second largest Christian denomination, the Church of Ireland (Anglican), declined in membership for most of the twentieth century, but has more recently experienced an increase, as have other small Christian denominations. Other significant Protestant denominations are the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, followed by the Methodist Church in Ireland. The country's Hindu and Muslim populations have experienced significant growth in recent years, due chiefly to immigration.[2]

    In the 2011 census, 7.6% of the population had no religion or did not indicate a religious belief.

    So, not 'all'and not '99%' as you knowingly lied about?


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    #117
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,229 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    ConstantJoe wrote: »
    I wouldn't call 7.6% of the country a "tiny" amount either.
    I wouldn't either, I was just trying to address her repeated claims about us "all being Catholic", claims that she seems very fond of making.


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    #118
    ConstantJoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭ConstantJoe


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    I wouldn't either, I was just trying to address her repeated claims about us "all being Catholic", claims that she seems very fond of making.

    Oh I know, I was agreeing with you. I think its fair to say that there are more people in Ireland who don't believe in any God than the amount that tick "no religion" on the census. But even still - 7.6% is a significant proportion of the population and she's just ignoring them.


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    #119
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    I wouldn't either, I was just trying to address her repeated claims about us "all being Catholic", claims that she seems very fond of making.

    My apologies. Let me clarify by saying the vast majority of people in the Republic of Ireland are Roman Catholic , according to the 2011 census ,which states it at 84%.

    This does not measure the religiosity of the 84%.

    However the fact remains 84% say they are Roman Catholic and this is the overall majority.

    Forgive me for not being more pedantic in my statements and enjoy bringing the post off topic as usual due to your lack of knowledge on islam and the current topic.


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    #120
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    niamhstokes wrote: »
    My apologies. Let me clarify by saying the vast majority of people in the Republic of Ireland are Roman Catholic , according to the 2011 census ,which states it at 84%.

    This does not measure the religiosity of the 84%.

    However the fact remains 84% say they are Roman Catholic and this is the overall majority.

    Forgive me for not being more pedantic in my statements and enjoy bringing the post off topic as usual due to your lack of knowledge on islam and the current topic.

    Says the lady trying to convert people to Christianity?

    Pot, kettle?


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    #121
    niamhstokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭niamhstokes


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    Says the lady trying to convert people to Christianity?

    Pot, kettle?

    What is your knowledge of the Qur'an and Sunnah?


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