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Red Dead Redemption 2
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super_furry wrote: »If people want the game on Steam earlier, they should get on at them to cut their 30% margin.
It already drops to 25 and 20% at larger sales figures...
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super_furry wrote: »Red Dead Redemption 2 PC, gross margin per store:
Rockstar Launcher: 95%
Epic Games Store: 88%
Steam: 70%
If people want the game on Steam earlier, they should get on at them to cut their 30% margin.
30% is in line with all other storefronts and it also pays for the servers running all the steam works functionality. The epics gamestore margins is not sustainable and is only temporary according to epic.0 -
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Interesting points here...
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/game-reviews/red-dead-redemption-2/user-reviews/adult
Rated not suitable for anyone for being crushingly boring.0 -
FWIW the question of the sustainability of the current split appears to have come from a misrepresentation of a Twitter comment from Sweeney regarding the additional processing fees applied to some transactions in territories with limited payment method options available. It got picked up by some folk on Reddit at the time and seems to have grown legs since.Retr0gamer wrote: »30% is in line with all other storefronts and it also pays for the servers running all the steam works functionality. The epics gamestore margins is not sustainable and is only temporary according to epic.
He's since commented on the 12% figure again making it very clear it's their permanent revenue sharing rate. There's practically no wiggle room in that statement either so he's opened himself to some perfectly legitimate criticism, even if operating costs were to rise in the future.
There's an interesting debate to be had about whether developers should be forced to eat the full 30% cost of running the additional services Steam offer which take them from a mere storefront to a platform but I'd rather not drag this thread off topic.
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goon_magee wrote: »Lol who pissed in your soup lad? Since when is challenging someone's points suddenly classified as defensive overprotection? Don't post on public forums if you don't want your opinions challenged. My defense of the game isn't needed? As I said I don't like the game, but my critique on your opinion is just as needed as your original points were...that's how public discussion works...can't engage in critical discussion then don't post in the first place. I could just as easy say you sound like an over offensive Rockstar detractor what with your hyperbole and intolerance.
Your "my way or the high way" attitude is perhaps best exemplified by saying something is wrong if I have to compare open world games to linear games. You obviously have a certain expectation of what an open world game for be and are completely intolerant it ses lof any deviation from your expectations. To you it should mean player agency and freedom to tackle things how you see fit whereas Mafia 2 and Sleeping Dogs, perhaps my two favourite open world games ever, were extremely linear when it came to gameplay freedom in critical path missions. In fact Mafia 2 is perhaps one of the most linear games I've ever played, but also one of the best examples of the genre (IMO).
It's a different style of storytelling which bleeds through into the gameplay, it's not inherently bad just because it doesn't align with your expectations. I didn't say RDR being a story driven game was an excuse for it being linear, my point is that they aren't trying to mimic the points of contrast you keep pointing to. Is it perhaps a tad excessive sometimes? maybe, but you're getting on like it's a constant issue, when I know that returning to camp with a tasty kill on my horse after completing a main mission was a regular occurrence for me, so obviously the game isn't as constantly restrictive as you make it out to be, with it only really cropping up when Rockstar felt the narrative required it. And hey if you keep getting caught by auto fails, learn from your mistakes and just go with the narrative as intended. As you point out, there is a whole world out there that promotes agency and freedom, go off and do that if that's what you want and come back to the critical path when you're ready to go with the flow and with the tighter core experience that the main game provides. I mean as you say, you play open world games for the open world, so what's the problem when the narrative reigns in the scope? The multitude of distractions and reasons to explore after the mission is done still exist.
Also your insistence on using the Witcher 3 as a contrast doesn't hold much weight with me. Outside of branching narrative, the actual main missions of the Witcher 3 were extremely linear when it came to main quests.
Anyway, I doubt we will see eye to eye on this so best to just draw a line under it. You seem to think me countering your points makes me a RDR fanboy (go back and read my previous posts on the game, I believe my previous post was along the lines of calling it one of the most overrated games I've ever played....total fanboy right?). No point in engaging in dialogue with someone who reverts to the fanboy remark because they don't like to have their points challenged.
Project much? It's you rather who seems to have a problem with differing opinions on this forum which is why you were crying in the Final Fantasy thread when I said the controls in FF were awkward. Yes, I recognised your whingey tone and went back to that thread and surprise, surprise it was you. :rolleyes: In that very thread, it was only when I said I was enjoying the game overall that you calmed down.
You also brought up Witcher 3 for no good reason. In fact, you seem to be hung up on Witcher 3. What happened? Did CDPR hurt your dog or something?
Your response comes across like a self-absorbed snowflake who doesn’t understand that different people have different tastes and you seem to think that someone’s dislike of one aspect of a game is “intolerance” lol. Um, no people like and dislike different things. Deal with it.
You throw around words like "critical discussion" because you think it makes you sound clever but you clearly don't understand what critical discussion is, mainly because your argument is based purely on emotion (i.e. your aggro that someone doesn’t like something you do), rather than logic and reasoning. You are free to critique anybody's opinion but there is a way of doing it that doesn't come across as overly defensive and angry which you have yet to master, “lad” (talk about ignorant). Yes, I will continue to post even though it hurts your feelings so no point urging me not to lol.
You talk about “mimic the points of contrast” but you shot yourself in the foot earlier by referring NG games as a more apt comparison because that’s an example of a linear, story focused game that I think does it right, especially Uncharted 4. My issue is simply that RDR2 doesn’t nail the balance between story and gameplay in the main campaign. You either don’t understand that (even though it’s been explained over and over) or being willfully obtuse in order to continue venting. I didn’t say that form of story telling is inherently bad, I just said that Rockstar didn’t do it well. Comprehend. And yes, you can explore the open world after doing the main missions but it’s a time saver to grab bits and bobs while you’re doing the mission.
Yes, run along and whinge at someone else for the next inevitable opinion you find offensive. I'm done with you.0 -
The Phantom Pain wrote: »Project much? It's you rather who seems to have a problem with differing opinions on this forum which is why you were crying in the Final Fantasy thread when I said the controls in FF were awkward. Yes, I recognised your whingey tone and went back to that thread and surprise, surprise it was you. :rolleyes: In that very thread, it was only when I said I was enjoying the game overall that you calmed down. You also brought up Witcher 3 for no good reason. In fact, you seem to be hung up on Witcher 3. What happened? Did CDPR hurt your dog or something?
Your response comes across like a self-absorbed snowflake who doesn’t understand that different people have different tastes and you seem to think that someone’s dislike of one aspect of a game is “intolerance” lol. Um, no people like and dislike different things. Deal with it.
You throw around words like "critical discussion" because you think it makes you sound clever but you clearly don't understand what critical discussion is, mainly because your argument is based purely on emotion (i.e. your aggro that someone doesn’t like something you do), rather than logic and reasoning. You are free to critique anybody's opinion but there is a way of doing it that doesn't come across as overly defensive and angry which you have yet to master, “lad” (talk about ignorant). Yes, I will continue to post even though it hurts your feelings so no point urging me not to lol.
You talk about “mimic the points of contrast” but you shot yourself in the foot earlier by referring NG games as a more apt comparison because that’s an example of a linear, story focused game that I think does it right, especially Uncharted 4. My issue is simply that RDR2 doesn’t nail the balance between story and gameplay in the main campaign. You either don’t understand that (even though it’s been explained over and over) or being willfully obtuse in order to continue venting. I didn’t say that form of story telling is inherently bad, I just said that Rockstar didn’t do it well. Comprehend. And yes, you can explore the open world after doing the main missions but it’s a time saver to grab bits and bobs while you’re doing the mission.
Yes, run along and whinge at someone else for the next inevitable opinion you find offensive. I'm done with you.
Lol You're actually gas. So I asked a genuine question to see what your issues were with the controls in FFXV....and that's crying? How insecure are you? Blimey governor, you really don't like anybody questioning your opinion do you. It was a genuine question out of interest you absolute princess. I'm completely open to the fact that people like and dislike different things, hence why I pulled you up on expressing your opinion on how am open world game should play as if it was objectively true.
Funny how the ones who throw about the term snowflake are always the most precious little divas isn't it...almost always the elitist ejits trying to mask their own insecurity at being challenged who sling it about, never a good look and it almost always comes across like they're describing themselves.
Oh and BTW, I've no dog, so no need to worry about anybody hurting it, appreciate the concern for the hypothetical pooch though, maybe you're not such a bad lad after all
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goon_magee wrote: »Lol You're actually gas. So I asked a genuine question to see what your issues were with the controls in FFXV....and that's crying? How insecure are you? Blimey governor, you really don't like anybody questioning your opinion do you. It was a genuine question out of interest you absolute princess. I'm completely open to the fact that people like and dislike different things, hence why I pulled you up on expressing your opinion on how am open world game should play as if it was objectively true.
Funny how the ones who throw about the term snowflake are always the most precious little divas isn't.
Oh and BTW, I've no dog, so no need to worry about anybody hurting it, appreciate the concern for the hypothetical pooch though, maybe you're not such a bad lad after all
lol so it looks like you've been accused of being a snowflake before. That's surprising. Not. If you call whinging about how the critique of the controls is unfair because of how the Witcher has similar controls asking a "genuine question" then sure, let's pretend that's real. You are also soooo not open to the idea that people like and dislike different things no matter how much you protest lol. The fact that you're so insecure as to worry that I think my opinion is objectively true when it's fairly obvious that it's down to taste is full snowflake. Maybe you should find a safe space to crawl into... 0 -
The Phantom Pain wrote: »lol so it looks like you've been accused of being a snowflake before. That's surprising. Not. If you call whinging about how the critique of the controls is unfair because of how the Witcher has similar controls asking a "genuine question" then sure, let's pretend that's real. You are also soooo not open to the idea that people like and dislike different things no matter how much you protest lol. The fact that you're so insecure as to worry that I think my opinion is objectively true when it's fairly obvious that it's down to taste is full snowflake. Maybe you should find a safe space to crawl into...
Lol I literally said I was curious as to how you thought the controls were nonsense cause to me they were pretty similar to the Witcher, albeit with a button flipped. As I said, it was a legitimate query as to what your issue was (cause you know, I'm interested in considering differing viewpoints) and frankly it's hilarious that you're so desperate to have your points go unchallenged that you think that's whinging. But sure keep manipulating things to fit you're little narrative.
If you think that is whinging, then mammy and daddy have let you live a very sheltered life, poor people must be flat out lifting your toys off the ground what with your fondness of throwing them outta the pram!
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