Mart Price Tracker

Gman1987

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Ya that's it alright. Bought 6 on DD during the week and 2 of them seem to have done a share of moving. Must check the movements again later on agfood. Is it maximum 4 residencies for QA

Need to be careful on donedeal, I bought 25 on DD about two weeks ago, he was meant to be the second owner on them all, advised he reared them from calves etc. but turned out he was the third owner on over half of them and they were going to be coming to me from three different herd numbers. Needless to say I didn't accept them into my herd.

CHOPS01

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Ya that's it alright. Bought 6 on DD during the week and 2 of them seem to have done a share of moving. Must check the movements again later on agfood. Is it maximum 4 residencies for QA

Fcuk it. The 2 are now on 5th residency now that they are in my herd. Should I go after your man or put it down to experience.

CHOPS01

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Ya that's it alright. Bought 6 on DD during the week and 2 of them seem to have done a share of moving. Must check the movements again later on agfood. Is it maximum 4 residencies for QA

Fcuk it. The 2 are now on 5th residency now that they are in my herd. Should I go after your man or put it down to experience.

Albert Johnson

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Fcuk it. The 2 are now on 5th residency now that they are in my herd. Should I go after your man or put it down to experience.

Unless the seller advised you that they had less movements then they actually have then I don't see what comeback you have. Even at that it's probably a verbal agreement and it will be your word against his as regards what was agreed.

grange mac

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Fcuk it. The 2 are now on 5th residency now that they are in my herd. Should I go after your man or put it down to experience.

Personally that's shyte, I'd land over to him and demand 100 per animal as chops you know that's what it will cost you when you finished with them. Oh that nonsense makes my blood boil... One is only as good as their word.

Where do ye see the number of pervious moves on agfood?

patsy_mccabe

The quicker the marts open , the better.

Albert Johnson

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

The quicker the marts open , the better.

+1000. For all the giving out lads do about the live ring I think it's still the best way to buy and sell stock. The online bidding and tendering that's taking place at the minute is a poor replacement imo, very little transparency and a lot of it is guess work. Yes it's a means to an end atm and no doubt the live streaming is here to stay but I can't help but think that a ringside of buyer's and seller's is by far best system when it's safe to return to it.

As for the likes of Done deal and private selling I can now see why lad's stopped bothering with the fair's once the mart system came along. It's full of total time waster's and dreamers who don't know what they want, yes there's some genuine buyer's and seller's but there's a lot of total pricks as well.

As least with the mart you can head in for a look and more often than not there's something to suit your interest. All the information is available without having to drag it out of the seller and there's a reliable weighing service. When the time comes you can bid up for what you want and if the price isn't right for either party then there's no harm done and on too the next lot. There's no driving up and down every back road in the countryside looking at stock that are €150 to dear, 100kg lighter than advertised or have half a dozen movements when there supposed to be home bred. I never thought I'd be happy to pay mart commission but after a few episodes of buying stock "in the country" I think that the pulling back in around the ring can't come quick enough.

richie123

Albert Johnson wrote: »

+1000. For all the giving out lads do about the live ring I think it's still the best way to buy and sell stock. The online bidding and tendering that's taking place at the minute is a poor replacement imo, very little transparency and a lot of it is guess work. Yes it's a means to an end atm and no doubt the live streaming is here to stay but I can't help but think that a ringside of buyer's and seller's is by far best system when it's safe to return to it.

As for the likes of Done deal and private selling I can now see why lad's stopped bothering with the fair's once the mart system came along. It's full of total time waster's and dreamers who don't know what they want, yes there's some genuine buyer's and seller's but there's a lot of total pricks as well.

As least with the mart you can head in for a look and more often than not there's something to suit your interest. All the information is available without having to drag it out of the seller and there's a reliable weighing service. When the time comes you can bid up for what you want and if the price isn't right for either party then there's no harm done and on too the next lot. There's no driving up and down every back road in the countryside looking at stock that are €150 to dear, 100kg lighter than advertised or have half a dozen movements when there supposed to be home bred. I never thought I'd be happy to pay mart commission but after a few episodes of buying stock "in the country" I think that the pulling back in around the ring can't come quick enough.

Very well said..I'd like to see the online streaming improved a bit more I think it's a good idea.one problem with is the auctioneer is still speaking into the Mike as usual creating huge distortion.theres no one there what's he blowing an empty ring out of it for

Hard Knocks

richie123 wrote: »

Very well said..I'd like to see the online streaming improved a bit more I think it's a good idea.one problem with is the auctioneer is still speaking into the Mike as usual creating huge distortion.theres no one there what's he blowing an empty ring out of it for

I think online would be good to keep
How many have dropped home for a few minutes to find their animal has just gone through the ring on their return
Hard to get time from work or family commitment

CHOPS01

grange mac wrote: »

Personally that's shyte, I'd land over to him and demand 100 per animal as chops you know that's what it will cost you when you finished with them. Oh that nonsense makes my blood boil... One is only as good as their word.

Where do ye see the number of pervious moves on agfood?

Just click on the individual tag number and all data is shown.
Same lad has a few more lots up on DD again yesterday.

lab man

patsy_mccabe wrote:

The quicker the marts open , the better.

heard our local mart is rightly screwing ppl know a guy with good ai chx heifers was offered 1.80 a kg

Bass Reeves

lab man wrote: »

heard our local mart is rightly screwing ppl know a guy with good ai chx heifers was offered 1.80 a kg

with present and last years beef prices it probably too much for them.

High bike

Bass Reeves wrote: »

with present and last years beef prices it probably too much for them.

suppose it depends whether your buying or selling

Bass Reeves

High bike wrote: »

suppose it depends whether your buying or selling

No I think the lad producing such cattle need every penny of it but present factory prices dictate other wise. With most lads that are buying for stocking rates now gone out of the market some harsh realities will start to unfold. This time last year before lads started to off load on strength of Beam being paid out into June we had abase price of about 4/kg today it is 3.4/kg. on a 330kg DW heifer that is about 200 euro less of a factory cheque.

High bike

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No I think the lad producing such cattle need every penny of it but present factory prices dictate other wise. With most lads that are buying for stocking rates now gone out of the market some harsh realities will start to unfold. This time last year before lads started to off load on strength of Beam being paid out into June we had abase price of about 4/kg today it is 3.4/kg. on a 330kg DW heifer that is about 200 euro less of a factory cheque.

don't kill cattle myself so can't disagree with what u say about the factories but the fact remains that those weanlings and stores are costing the same to produce whatever the factories are paying

mr.stonewall

High bike wrote: »

don't kill cattle myself so can't disagree with what u say about the factories but the fact remains that those weanlings and stores are costing the same to produce whatever the factories are paying

It's the next person in the chain that sets the price he can pay. Factory price is so important to cattle price. The losses being expierenced at the moment with finished cattle is scary. Imagine being down €200/head and then going out to buy. Your budget is set by this for a lot of guys. It's a cycle and time will sort it. We as farmers are well used of riding out tough times, whether it's right or wrong to continue.

Bass Reeves

mr.stonewall wrote: »

It's the next person in the chain that sets the price he can pay. Factory price is so important to cattle price. The losses being expierenced at the moment with finished cattle is scary. Imagine being down €200/head and then going out to buy. Your budget is set by this for a lot of guys. It's a cycle and time will sort it. We as farmers are well used of riding out tough times, whether it's right or wrong to continue.

It's one of the reason's that I got out of winter finishing. When you sold those cattle it was impossible to replace them and have an effective margin. It drove nitrates crazy as well. It was ok when you could finish a few U24 month bulls around Christmas that you had bought 12-15 Months before and there was a price over 4/kg. I think that any lad winter finishing especially those finishing for late spring need to stop unless there is a contract in place

mr.stonewall

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It's one of the reason's that I got out of winter finishing. When you sold those cattle it was impossible to replace them and have an effective margin. It drove nitrates crazy as well. It was ok when you could finish a few U24 month bulls around Christmas that you had bought 12-15 Months before and there was a price over 4/kg. I think that any lad winter finishing especially those finishing for late spring need to stop unless there is a contract in place

I keep a closed shop system. Only animals bought is 40 calves in the spring. Calve 30 sucklers. Nothing sold in mart. All to the hook. At least you have control of the costs and more importantly time. Finish in 3 different groups. A small bunch for late spring. Another bunch in mid summer an the last group in late autumn. It's important to have cash flow aswell as margin. While the spring bunch is expensive to kill, they are much welcomed casflow. Would love to have a contract to finish, and I feel it's only a matter of time til we start seeing something like it be it producer groups or not.

Robson99

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It's one of the reason's that I got out of winter finishing. When you sold those cattle it was impossible to replace them and have an effective margin. It drove nitrates crazy as well. It was ok when you could finish a few U24 month bulls around Christmas that you had bought 12-15 Months before and there was a price over 4/kg. I think that any lad winter finishing especially those finishing for late spring need to stop unless there is a contract in place

Dead right Bass.
It's hard make a pound killing in summer at 3.60 a kg. But doing it in Winter is just short of madness
Been there done that and would not go back to it sub 4.00 a kg
As you said store over winter on good dry silage ( no reason why every farmer can't have good silage... it shouldn't be about bales per acre it's quality that counts...lads laugh at me with 7 or 8 bales to the acre but they are convinced that it needs to be closed for 9 or 10 weeks and yield 12 or 13 bales to the acre in Mid June )
And finish of grass with small quantity of meal

RobinBanks

Hi all, wondering would anyone know what is an average price of for a suckler cow with calf at foot. I have 2 BB cow's with lim calves at foot. 1 has a bull the other a heifer. both cows are second calvers and would be considered standard quality, nothing exceptional. I am cutting back cow numbers and culling some older cows and a man inquired about the 2 blues. I am not out to rob him and i would be asking london for them, just want whatever the going rate is. i can fire up pics if it helps but as i said they are nothing special.

richie123

Robson99 wrote: »

Dead right Bass.
It's hard make a pound killing in summer at 3.60 a kg. But doing it in Winter is just short of madness
Been there done that and would not go back to it sub 4.00 a kg
As you said store over winter on good dry silage ( no reason why every farmer can't have good silage... it shouldn't be about bales per acre it's quality that counts...lads laugh at me with 7 or 8 bales to the acre but they are convinced that it needs to be closed for 9 or 10 weeks and yield 12 or 13 bales to the acre in Mid June )
And finish of grass with small quantity of meal

Have to agree a 6 rotor Tedder was one of our better investments.some job to dry grass!

Siamsa Sessions

Finally got around to contacting a local cattle dealer here re cull cows, yearlings, 2-year-old bullocks, and even weaned calves. Needless to say, we had a good chat and moan about the state of the country and how marts are operating in particular. This guy was a friend of my fathers and I hadn't seen him in years. He won't do me any favours, but I'm hoping he won't try ride me too much either.

Anyway, the bottom line is that he's going to have a look around for 8-10 FR yearlings and come back with a price.

Would I be correct in saying around 1.50/kg should buy most FR bullocks at this time of year?

cute geoge

Not been smart any farmer selling would take the hand of you if you offered them €1.50/kg for fr yierlings heard nice herefords were sold for €1.60/kg

memorystick

Jjameson wrote: »

A few good quality yearling fr bullocks 280kg brought €530 in carnew on Saturday.

I bought cattle like these last year and trying to fatten them now. Not very optimistic I’m afraid.

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

I bought cattle like these last year and trying to fatten them now. Not very optimistic I’m afraid.

They are not like heifers where you are trying to get them to fs4 . If you get them above 330 this''time of year and fs3-/=I be turning them. 530 euro for 330k is too much. At present I want to buy at 1.3/kg after that I would not be interested

kk.man

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Finally got around to contacting a local cattle dealer here re cull cows, yearlings, 2-year-old bullocks, and even weaned calves. Needless to say, we had a good chat and moan about the state of the country and how marts are operating in particular. This guy was a friend of my fathers and I hadn't seen him in years. He won't do me any favours, but I'm hoping he won't try ride me too much either.

Anyway, the bottom line is that he's going to have a look around for 8-10 FR yearlings and come back with a price.

Would I be correct in saying around 1.50/kg should buy most FR bullocks at this time of year?

They should be at 1.50 but they are not. The average is 1.65 top end is 1.73 and bottom is 1.59 but it depends on their weights. A lower weight animal will be different.

That's my part of the country others may differ.

Siamsa Sessions

kk.man wrote: »

They should be at 1.50 but they are not. The average is 1.65 top end is 1.73 and bottom is 1.59 but it depends on their weights. A lower weight animal will be different.

That's my part of the country others may differ.

We're in the same part of the country if kk stands for Kilkenny. I'm just 40 miles down the road from you in Waterford.

It's hard to know with price and where there might be a little bit of value and where there is definitely none at all.

I'll certainly be tuned into the cattle trade and weight gains off grass over the next few months. Nothing like having skin in the game or money standing in the field to focus the mind!

Dozer1

Sold a few autumn CH bulls private avg weight about 330 kgs for around 800 a piece..less than other years but needed to move em on right or wrong time will tell.

Fine Day

Dozer1 wrote: »

Sold a few autumn CH bulls private avg weight about 330 kgs for around 800 a piece..less than other years but needed to move em on right or wrong time will tell.

I think you done alright considering. You have to remember you have no mart fees. No time lost going to the mart & no transport fees unless you are delivering them of course. The person who bought them will probably pump them with meal before killing in the next 9 to 12 months. God knows what Larry will have the factory price at then.

CloughCasey1

memorystick wrote: »

I bought cattle like these last year and trying to fatten them now. Not very optimistic I’m afraid.

I bought 4 for exactly the same money. Wish he could have had more of them. They are doing a massive thrive.