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High bike

richie123 wrote: »

He should have rang ahead first all lots sold subject online I'm led to believe?

your right all sold subject but the mart were able to contact the seller so why not the buyer,bad form in my book

richie123

High bike wrote: »

your right all sold subject but the mart were able to contact the seller so why not the buyer,bad form in my book

One of the disadvantages of online sales ..in the ring the buyer would get a second go at them if seller refused to sell ..you'd know straight away then what u had.

Limestone Cowboy

Cattle dealers are going to hate these online sales if this keeps up for a few months and people get used to the online auctions. Would do away with a lot of the polling and messing that goes on ringside.

richie123

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Cattle dealers are going to hate these online sales if this keeps up for a few months and people get used to the online auctions. Would do away with a lot of the polling and messing that goes on ringside.

Intimidation etc..it's a great job.

Base price

High bike wrote: »

your right all sold subject but the mart were able to contact the seller so why not the buyer,bad form in my book

You click on your mart account and it shows a invoice with the details of lot numbers, how much you paid including commission etc.

Gman1987

Base price wrote: »

You click on your mart account and it shows a invoice with the details of lot numbers, how much you paid including commission etc.

Dont think they are all fully set up yet, I bought cattle in Tullamore last week and nothing showed up on my mart account on Livestock live.

CloughCasey1

Watched a bit of gortatlea yestersay evening. Lovely chx calf came into the ring. 285kg 7 mts old. Good width shape and lengthy. €910 bidding finished at.

Cavanjack

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Cattle dealers are going to hate these online sales if this keeps up for a few months and people get used to the online auctions. Would do away with a lot of the polling and messing that goes on ringside.

There are plenty of dealers buying away online surely to keep customers happy. They won’t want to be losing business.

Bass Reeves

Cavanjack wrote: »

There are plenty of dealers buying away online surely to keep customers happy. They won’t want to be losing business.

Not at present but as time goes by and lads get used to it more and more lads will be buying a few this way. Lads that are more tech savvy will be first. Every mart that has it in place will continue it. Now you no longer need to spin 30-50 miles to a mart. Take a late lunch and spend an hour watching it on a phone or computer screen. Log into your account and buy a few.

It might be a saviour to calf marts like Bandon. Go online there in early March and buy WH or Friesian calves at 50-70% of your local mart early in the day. Take a half day and spin down and collect them. Yes a busy day but if 10 calves cost you 50-100/head cheaper than local mart is it not worth a try

patsy_mccabe

But can you tell the true quality of the animals from video alone?

It would be great if you had seen the animals beforehand ..... like a neighbour selling a suckler cow or fancy breeding bull or heifer. I'd say a lot would be sold on colour alone. Good hairy yellow charolais etc.

Robson99

Very hard to buy on line without seeing them in the flesh.
What looks good on camera could end up being butty little yolks when you go to collect. I know I would always like a look at cattle before they go into the ring and would even still be near the exit chute or the ring when they being sold
Personally I don't see this working long term.

Limestone Cowboy

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

But can you tell the true quality of the animals from video alone?

It would be great if you had seen the animals beforehand ..... like a neighbour selling a suckler cow or fancy breeding bull or heifer. I'd say a lot would be sold on colour alone. Good hairy yellow charolais etc.

Most marts are letting in people to view them in the pens before the sale begins.

Robson99

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Most marts are letting in people to view them in the pens before the sale begins.

So say you travel 50 miles to a mart.
Do you view them, go out and sit in the jeep and bid, wait there till the sale finishes and back in to collect.

Limestone Cowboy

Robson99 wrote: »

So say you travel 50 miles to a mart.
Do you view them, go out and sit in the jeep and bid, wait there till the sale finishes and back in to collect.

Ya pretty much or take your chance with just seeing them on the video going through the ring. Not sure if you have to wait until the sale is finished to collect them.

Robson99

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Ya pretty much or take your chance with just seeing them on the video going through the ring. Not sure if you have to wait until the sale is finished to collect them.

Ya i know what you mean....meant if you wanted something near the end of the sale you wait in the jeep.
Jasus that would be some Craic. Imagine ****e internet in the carpark lads ffn and blinding.
Sorry but this will not be a long term change. The ringside is also a social release for a lot of lads that are farming fulltime

Bass Reeves

Robson99 wrote: »

Very hard to buy on line without seeing them in the flesh.
What looks good on camera could end up being butty little yolks when you go to collect. I know I would always like a look at cattle before they go into the ring and would even still be near the exit chute or the ring when they being sold
Personally I don't see this working long term.

With friesian's it will make little difference and similar with a lot if dairy bred stores bought at 12-20 months of age. If you had access to tag numbers you could see if there was JE or KYA breeding in the cattle. Cameras are improving as well. Finally you have the fact that over time you may be able to home in on certain sellers cattle

patsy_mccabe

It's a bit like what Winston Churchill said about democracy - "It's the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

Marts are not perfect, but they're the best we have at the moment. If Marts were held on a Saturday, it would solve a lot of problems.

Hard Knocks

Bass Reeves wrote: »

With friesian's it will make little difference and similar with a lot if dairy bred stores bought at 12-20 months of age. If you.bad a cess to tag numbers you could see if there was JE or KYA breeding in the cattle. Cameras are improving as well. Finally you have the fact that over time you may be able to home in on certain sellers cattle

Weigh & video on entry would help
Even if tag was shown, you need owner to be In herdplus to see breeding (think there should be a loophole for marts)

patsy_mccabe

Ennis Mart Ring 1
Cows now selling live.

https://www.livestock-live.com/MartMemberAccess/Market/MartAuctionProgressOnlineAuction?Mart=ENNIS4

Base price

Bass Reeves wrote: »

With friesian's it will make little difference and similar with a lot if dairy bred stores bought at 12-20 months of age. If you.bad a cess to tag numbers you could see if there was JE or KYA breeding in the cattle. Cameras are improving as well. Finally you have the fact that over time you may be able to home in on certain sellers cattle

Now that the dams breed code is on the cards it should be shown on the mart/online board.

tanko

Considering that all this online selling has been set up from scratch in a few months i don't think it's doing too bad. It's only starting off and there's no reason why it can't be improved on. Maybe marts could film individual cattle or pens of cattle before the sale and post the film online so that farmers can view cattle. I'm sure the quality of filming could be improved over time also.

I can see why farmers/dealers who buy a lot of cattle don't like it, they can't carry out their tried and tested you have this one and i'll have that one crap so easily. They must miss waving their arms around in the ring pointing frantically at some illegible number scrawled on their hand.
I'd say certain auctioneers hate it too, they can't knock cattle down to their friends like before.
Before the marts closed insurance premiums were becoming a big problem. These online systems might help more marts to stay open.
I'm sure plenty thought that when fairs were replaced by marts it wouldn't work.

Bass Reeves

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Weigh & video on entry would help
Even if tag was shown, you need owner to be In herdplus to see breeding (think there should be a loophole for marts)

No if you have ICBF you can see breeding details.

Bass Reeves

Base price wrote: »

Now that the dams breed code is on the cards it should be shown on the mart/online board.

If cattle were pre-booked and tag numbers available from early morning on lots you know alot before auction

patsy_mccabe

Good quality Lim cow sell in Ennis now (on-line) ;
Lot 135E
675kg
€ 1,240 Look Fleshy


Lot 135H
715 Kg
€ 1,310 Char Cow, not as fleshy as last

Lot 135k
780 kg
€ 1,530 Really shapey, black Lim x BB type

Dealers or large buyers will bend the system eventually to suit themselves . These lads are meeting each other four or five times a week, eating in canteens together, traveling to marts together. Its in there interest to work together They are far from stupid.

I see in bandon at the moment for the calves the dealers have things running very efficiently now. The last few weeks there's calves for f all there. They're all sitting on a wall out side the mart dividing up the calves between them. I saw calves today in Gortatlea at €240 hex heifers.... €150 last Monday in bandon.

Wes Palmer Lee

Yeah, without the farmer bidding at ringside its minimum prices.

Base price

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Dealers or large buyers will bend the system eventually to suit themselves . These lads are meeting each other four or five times a week, eating in canteens together, traveling to marts together. Its in there interest to work together They are far from stupid.

I see in bandon at the moment for the calves the dealers have things running very efficiently now. The last few weeks there's calves for f all there. They're all sitting on a wall out side the mart dividing up the calves between them. I saw calves today in Gortatlea at €240 hex heifers.... €150 last Monday in bandon.

The CHx bull at €545 and the two heifers at €465 was serious money. I was more surprised at a FRx bull calf selling for €140.

Hard Knocks

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No if you have ICBF you can see breeding details.

I know
But for the herds not on ICBF but pay the tag levy there should be something
There data is there

181 liam

Online marts will continue after covid in conjunction with what we called normal sales.
In kilmallock wed 10/12 buyers turned up to view while up to 40 bid online without viewing im told. On monday aax blks 483kg made 1090 if normal sale they wouldnt make 2/kg.
Dealers not supporting it much i hear but the genie has got out marts have made outlay

straight

181 liam wrote: »

Online marts will continue after covid in conjunction with what we called normal sales.
In kilmallock wed 10/12 buyers turned up to view while up to 40 bid online without viewing im told. On monday aax blks 483kg made 1090 if normal sale they wouldnt make 2/kg.
Dealers not supporting it much i hear but the genie has got out marts have made outlay

Dealers can't throw the dirty looks online....