Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

O Riain

deiseach wrote: »

Cake Man wrote: »

Just out of curiosity to see if there is much of an advantage of being at home at U21 level (statistically speaking), I've considered all Munster U21 results going back as far as 2009, as per the Munster GAA results webpage.


In the 7 years, there have been 31 games played until now and as is the case with U21, there will always be a home/away team. I counted 17 games in which the home team won (55%) and 14 in which the away team won (45%). Some of these games were settled after extra time and counted as a home/away win.
4 of the 17 home victories and 3 of the 14 away victories were in the Munster final.


This would lead me to believe that home advantage isn't hugely significant and as can be seen, 3 of the last 7 Munster final were won by the away team - one of which included Clare beating us at home in 2009. I know 31 probably isn't a massive sample size but given that U21 is pure knockout, it limits the amount of games. Would still happily prefer to be at home in any case.

I had a look at our overall record at Under-21 level and the figures support the idea that there isn't much advantage to being at home, or not for Waterford anyway. We have won only 22 games out of 76 played in the competition. Of the 22 wins, the record is H8 A6 N(eutral)8 (I have included a win over Galway in 1966 as a neutral game despite not being able to find the date it was played or the venue - I got it from a list in the back of The Munster Story) . If you look at our home record, it's P29 W8 D2 L19. Is that much different from our record in games away from home? Nope, our away record is P27 W6 L21. The result on Wednesday isn't going to dramatically alter those figures. Of course, a huge Waterford
crowd surely wouldn't do any harm, would it?

Any word on demand? Surely will be a sell out?

PTH2009

O Riain wrote: »

Any word on demand? Surely will be a sell out?

Will be busy but won't be a sell out. Few factors

A lot of people don't support the under 21s like they would the senior team

It's on a weeknight

It's Live on TG4 and WLR

It's 3 days after the senior game vs Wexford and family's won't be able to afford 2 days out

O Riain

PTH2009 wrote: »

O Riain wrote: »

Any word on demand? Surely will be a sell out?

Will be busy but won't be a sell out. Few factors

A lot of people don't support the under 21s like they would the senior team

It's on a weeknight

It's Live on TG4 and WLR

It's 3 days after the senior game vs Wexford and family's won't be able to afford 2 days out

Surely given the fact that this team is hotly tipped to go all the way and the against clare means that you might attract the people who normally wouldn't go

hurler on de ditch

O Riain wrote: »

Surely given the fact that this team is hotly tipped to go all the way and the against clare means that you might attract the people who normally wouldn't go

Clare?

seananigans

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Clare?

and the result against clare ...

hurler on de ditch

seananigans wrote: »

and the result against clare ...

your'e only as good as your last game !

seananigans

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

your'e only as good as your last game !

tbh i dont even believe that youre only as good as your next game, the past is the past, expect a big backlash, wexford will be up for it, but expect them to fade waterford by between6 and 15 points if not more

DLS2THECORE

Lads, quick question. Does it matter what type terrace ticket I buy for under 21 Munster final? There are Northern, Eastern and Western tickets available for the match on Weds night? What is the bank directly across from the stand known as? I presumed anyone could walk around from behind the goals to the bank on the dressing room side? Thanks

HatchetMan7

Wexford will probably pump alot of ball straight into Macdonald and with the likes of Chin and McGovern in the half forward line making runs from deep looking for breaks or offloads like Tipp did. We must get our match ups right when contesting these high balls. Wexford would see our full back line as our weakest line after looking at the Munster final and should look for goals early. If Waterford defence can dominate in the air id be confidant that we should win but if we struggle under the high ball especially in defence i don't like our chances.

PTH2009

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Wexford will probably pump alot of ball straight into Macdonald and with the likes of Chin and McGovern in the half forward line making runs from deep looking for breaks or offloads like Tipp did. We must get our match ups right when contesting these high balls. Wexford would see our full back line as our weakest line after looking at the Munster final and should look for goals early. If Waterford defence can dominate in the air id be confidant that we should win but if we struggle under the high ball especially in defence i don't like our chances.

A huge team effort is needed tomorrow. If we do concede an early goal our heads must not drop, a similar performance to the NHL semi vs Limerick would be good as a lot of doubts were answered that day by us (we don't score goals, ultra defensive etc)

A lot of our fans talking about the kilkenny semi already, starting to piss me off, we saw how cocky the Limerick u21s, Cork seniors were this year and that didn't end well for them

cul beag

Expect tomorrow to be defensive on both sides. Realistically pound for pound we have the better hurlers and that will tell before the end. Take McGovern,Chin and McDonald out of the Wexford team and they are very average. They have beaten one of the worst Cork teams ever to come out of the county and given that we are due a backlash from our fellas we'll come through comfortably to set up a clash with the cats.

Deise189

DLS2THECORE wrote: »

Lads, quick question. Does it matter what type terrace ticket I buy for under 21 Munster final? There are Northern, Eastern and Western tickets available for the match on Weds night? What is the bank directly across from the stand known as? I presumed anyone could walk around from behind the goals to the bank on the dressing room side? Thanks

I bought tickets for the northern terrace presuming that's the bank opposite the stand. Presume East and West are the two terraces. Surely though if I'm wrong then I'm hoping you can just walk around to whichever side you want. They've made more of a balls of these tickets than needs be. Just sell stand tickets and then general admission for any of the terraces.. Would have made more sense!

DeiseDawg

Deise189 wrote: »

I bought tickets for the northern terrace presuming that's the bank opposite the stand. Presume East and West are the two terraces. Surely though if I'm wrong then I'm hoping you can just walk around to whichever side you want. They've made more of a balls of these tickets than needs be. Just sell stand tickets and then general admission for any of the terraces.. Would have made more sense!

This week was the first time we heard of northern, western and eastern terraces. I would guess the bank is the northern terrace.

mickmackmcgoo

DeiseDawg wrote:

This week was the first time we heard of northern, western and eastern terraces. I would guess the bank is the northern terrace.

It is if the stand is obviously south . I would think the western terrace is the keanes road end. Talking to an official this morning they are expecting between 3 and 4 thousand from tipp and 8 and 9 from Waterford.

hurler on de ditch

cul beag wrote: »

Expect tomorrow to be defensive on both sides. Realistically pound for pound we have the better hurlers and that will tell before the end. Take McGovern,Chin and McDonald out of the Wexford team and they are very average. They have beaten one of the worst Cork teams ever to come out of the county and given that we are due a backlash from our fellas we'll come through comfortably to set up a clash with the cats.

you are talking about taking three of their best players out of the team and making them average ,well if you take out ,Aussie, Maurice, and Jaimie Barron out of our team and we are an extremely average team

3ships

Since Wexford beat us in Nowlan Park 2 years ago Waterford have gone on to beat every team in the country at some stage and reached the final of 4 out of 5 competitions entered and the semi final of the other. Waterford are well ahead of Wexford, in fact it is dream draw for the Quarter Final.


However Wexford are coming into this game on the back of their best performance since then and Waterford their worst. An unlikely result is possible and hurling needs a few unlikely results to make it interesting. Wexford can win this. MacDonald can score and we could get a red card. The expected outcome is a dour 0-20 to 1-12 win but I hope for more. I hope within the method we can hit them for 2-2 in 5 mins at some stage and coast home.


I like the system, a defensive system is what Waterford has been lacking for years. The ability to shut down the game where needed. But we need more obviously and it looked all along till the Munster Final that we could do that. The more disappointing thing about the last day was not the goals conceded but the paltry total of 4 points from play. Imagine, leaving in more goals than points from play scored. 2/3 of the goals could have been avoided but we only managed a half chance at goal. When Kilkenny were well beaten by Clare in the League semi final they still posed a threat all thru the game. You could go on about the Tipp game and point to that fact that the wind had such a crucial role in the pace and the landing area of the delivery on to the Waterford full back line but then you can also could blame the Titanic for going down cause it was cold outside. Its done.

The big problem in team selection for me is no Dunford. Look at his contribution against Wexford 2 years ago. His contribution against Kilkenny last year. I think he not the fashionable choice but this system is not fashionable and we need him for it to work.


A 70 min performance will do. Against Wexford in the league we started off terrible but managed to claw it back with big performances from Brick and Maurice. We need the same from those lads tomorrow and the rest will fall into place.


In 2008 we left Limerick forlorn, managed to scrape past Wexford in a Quarter and then got to the All Ireland Final. It might happen again.

galwaylad14

3ships wrote: »

Since Wexford beat us in Nowlan Park 2 years ago Waterford have gone on to beat every team in the country at some stage and reached the final of 4 out of 5 competitions entered and the semi final of the other. Waterford are well ahead of Wexford, in fact it is dream draw for the Quarter Final.


However Wexford are coming into this game on the back of their best performance since then and Waterford their worst. An unlikely result is possible and hurling needs a few unlikely results to make it interesting. Wexford can win this. MacDonald can score and we could get a red card. The expected outcome is a dour 0-20 to 1-12 win but I hope for more. I hope within the method we can hit them for 2-2 in 5 mins at some stage and coast home.


I like the system, a defensive system is what Waterford has been lacking for years. The ability to shut down the game where needed. But we need more obviously and it looked all along till the Munster Final that we could do that. The more disappointing thing about the last day was not the goals conceded but the paltry total of 4 points from play. Imagine, leaving in more goals than points from play scored. 2/3 of the goals could have been avoided but we only managed a half chance at goal. When Kilkenny were well beaten by Clare in the League semi final they still posed a threat all thru the game. You could go on about the Tipp game and point to that fact that the wind had such a crucial role in the pace and the landing area of the delivery on to the Waterford full back line but then you can also could blame the Titanic for going down cause it was cold outside. Its done.

The big problem in team selection for me is no Dunford. Look at his contribution against Wexford 2 years ago. His contribution against Kilkenny last year. I think he not the fashionable choice but this system is not fashionable and we need him for it to work.


A 70 min performance will do. Against Wexford in the league we started off terrible but managed to claw it back with big performances from Brick and Maurice. We need the same from those lads tomorrow and the rest will fall into place.


In 2008 we left Limerick forlorn, managed to scrape past Wexford in a Quarter and then got to the All Ireland Final. It might happen again.

Fair enough ye've won games but how many in championship? Clare and Dublin maybe? Limerick? Not exactly any of the big dogs in a game that matters. Lovely to win league matches but let's be fair, ye've hardly won a game that matters in the championship in about 5 years. Good league team though and in fairness should surely beat Wexford

meathhurler48

Cork in a Munster SF when they were supposed to put us back in our box after a league win.

deiseach

mountgomery burns

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Fair enough ye've won games but how many in championship? Clare and Dublin maybe? Limerick? Not exactly any of the big dogs in a game that matters. Lovely to win league matches but let's be fair, ye've hardly won a game that matters in the championship in about 5 years. Good league team though and in fairness should surely beat Wexford

What is the story with this? He was talking about being a good bit better than Wexford which to be fair, 2 weeks ago everyone would have said they are a minimum 10 points the better team. Don't see where the expectations are going overboard here.

Buzwaldo

Sorry lads. Coming late to this. Is Thurles a sell out today or are any tickets still available? Stand or terrace.
Thanks in advance.

wats the craic

Buzwaldo wrote: »

Sorry lads. Coming late to this. Is Thurles a sell out today or are any tickets still available? Stand or terrace.
Thanks in advance.

plenty of tickets left i think

galwaylad14

meathhurler48 wrote: »

Cork in a Munster SF when they were supposed to put us back in our box after a league win.

Cork. The team that lost to the mighty Wexford 2 weeks ago? The team that a fairly average Galway team beat the living Jesus out of in Thurles last year?

Light the bonfires

tomwaterford

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Cork. The team that lost to the mighty Wexford 2 weeks ago? The team that a fairly average Galway team beat the living Jesus out of in Thurles last year?

Light the bonfires

Cork the team at the time managed by jbm who almost robbed an all Ireland with them less than 2 years before that
Afaik last team to put kk to the sword in championship hurling???


Imagine if he was over the talent waterford have



By fcuk clare have gone bad since then but cork have disappeared into the abess

mountgomery burns

Buzwaldo wrote: »

Sorry lads. Coming late to this. Is Thurles a sell out today or are any tickets still available? Stand or terrace.
Thanks in advance.

Only expecting 25,000 I believe.

IanVW

Very nervous about this one today!

Clonmel1000

PTH2009 wrote: »

A huge team effort is needed tomorrow. If we do concede an early goal our heads must not drop, a similar performance to the NHL semi vs Limerick would be good as a lot of doubts were answered that day by us (we don't score goals, ultra defensive etc)

A lot of our fans talking about the kilkenny semi already, starting to piss me off, we saw how cocky the Limerick u21s, Cork seniors were this year and that didn't end well for them

Not to mention the cockiness of your own support before the Munster final.

mountgomery burns

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Not to mention the cockiness of your own support before the Munster final.

Or Tipp in the all ireland semi final last year...

KildareSean

Probably a bit short notice but one of the people I was going to go with has been taken ill so I've three tickets available for the Ardan O Coinneain stand. Name your price and I'll email them to you so you can print them off.

Clonmel1000

O Riain wrote: »

Have you got no cousins that you can be off riding rather than be on the Waterford forum trying to wind people up? (It's actually the height of patheticness and i almost feel sorry for you. Almost)

Ive some very good friends from Tipp, very good people, but you are the are the type of person (who is in abundance in your county) as to why you are the most hated county in Hurling. And dont come back saying its only jealousy of your success because Kilkenny are better then you will ever be but the level of ****e talk out of them is not even 20% of what your type comes out with.

Love it. Why don't you support Kilkenny so if your so in awe of them. a bit of gentle slagging and it doesn't take long for the bitterness to come through. Don't stop believing.Riding cousins. Is that the best you have on a GAA forum? Go back over this thread prior to the Munster final and see the level of cockiness that abounded in Waterford. It was evident everywhere. You call out other counties then for being cocky and when that's pointed out to you we get the above tirade of nonsense.