Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

robopaddy2

KevIRL wrote: »

Most significant news from today is that Stephen Daniels and Martin O Neill won't be involved in the squad this season due to travel commitments

A pity but not catastrophic. O'neill has had his injury problems. Hes been knocking around the panel a few years now but just not quite good enough to be honest. Daniels on the other hand was good enough before his injury but just hasnt been the same since. Good luck to them both

culbaire

KevIRL wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0117/760884-cats-legend-calls-for-pre-season-changes/

Eddie Brennan warning against player burn out from these competitions, personally I agree and have no issue with McGrath's approach. Of course the likes of culbaire will take any chance they get to have a dig in, while good old PTH2009 will be pessimistic regardless of what the team and management do.

It seems that some people don't want alternative points of view. Burn out from playing eight experienced players in one game and an alternative eight in another? So one game in the competition for each experienced player will cause burn out will it? You must be joking. In a few weeks time Waterford faces a tough battle to remain in the top flight of the league. A little match practice would not go amiss. Burn out is much more likely to occur from over intensive winter training in the gym.

PTH2009

If we get relegated to 1b what effect will it have ???

DiscoStew

I think the approach taken to this competition is fine. The players who we expect to see in action come the summer are probably training heavily at the moment. It was clear to see last year that some of the young players needed to bulk up a bit after the Kilkenny game especially. I would imagine that's exactly what some of them are trying to do, without losing focus on general fitness etc. Hurling at this time of the year won't benefit them hugely. I think having them working away quietly on bulking up is more beneficial. We may not see immediate results in them but over a few years they will grow as a result of it. Playing games while trying to do this could well lead to injuries which nobody wants.
I'm sure come the league we will see experienced teams with a sprinkling of new bodies perhaps.

Any body here at the game today? It went along expected lines really but did anyone put there hand up for a place on match day panels? Tommy Ryan top scored with 7 but presume was on frees, think was mentioned on twitter that he also set up Andy Molumby for a goal.

mountgomery burns

culbaire wrote: »

It seems that some people don't want alternative points of view. Burn out from playing eight experienced players in one game and an alternative eight in another? So one game in the competition for each experienced player will cause burn out will it? You must be joking. In a few weeks time Waterford faces a tough battle to remain in the top flight of the league. A little match practice would not go amiss. Burn out is much more likely to occur from over intensive winter training in the gym.

That's a real defeatist attitude and it's holding the County back. I'm glad the players won't see it that way. Can you tell me why exactly you are talking about a tough battle to remain in 1A when we are league champions?

KevIRL

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we get relegated to 1b what effect will it have ???

Sure we'd be facing games against the likes of mayo and Roscommon akin to the dark times of the 80's within 3 years. Similar to what happened last time we were relegated. Oh wait....

The blue blaa

KevIRL wrote: »

Most significant news from today is that Stephen Daniels and Martin O Neill won't be involved in the squad this season due to travel commitments

That's true i was told that before Christmas,
David O Sullivan is also going travelling this year and has opted out. He was probably Ballygunners best player all year.

I wouldnt be at all worried by the teams we're sending out in this meaninless league, it's January on waterlogged pitches relax guys its a marathon not a sprint. Questioning the motives of a management team that delivered the absolute unexpected last season without Paudie Mahony deserves more respect.Why should we be showing our hand or gettin too serious too early. Their leaving no stone unturned in the search for talent all clubs throughout the county must be pleased by this. Young Jordan Henley & Andy Molumby wouldn't get a sniff if we used 8 experienced players its a good thing to use these lads and I'm sure them 2 lads & their families are beaming at the minute with pride that'll bring them on leaps an bounds in confidence.

culbaire

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That's a real defeatist attitude and it's holding the County back. I'm glad the players won't see it that way. Can you tell me why exactly you are talking about a tough battle to remain in 1A when we are league champions?

Victories last year mean nothing this year. You are only as good as your next victory.

Speak Now

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we get relegated to 1b what effect will it have ???

What effect did it have last year???

Speak Now

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That's a real defeatist attitude and it's holding the County back. I'm glad the players won't see it that way. Can you tell me why exactly you are talking about a tough battle to remain in 1A when we are league champions?

1A is very competitive to be fair, last year the reigning league champions nearly got relegated. Waterford winning from 1B showed however it's not the end of the world.

carter10

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we get relegated to 1b what effect will it have ???

It will allow you to wallow in pessimism a while longer

HatchetMan7

To improve the strength of the panel from last year is vitally important. When it comes to behind closed doors training matches, the stronger the panel the stronger the team. You don't want a few players on the panel that are significantly poorer than the rest. You want the players that are outside the top 15 to be pushing the first 15 for a starting place as much as possible, this will only push the starting 15 to a higher level. This of coarse is all obvious stuff but to follow on from this i would say that the end goal here is getting to and winning Munster and all Ireland final. Maintaining div 1a status is secondary and it didn't do us any harm last year to be in div 1b and it wont do Clare any harm this year, even if they don't get back into div 1a they will still get a minimum of 3 tough games in the league before the start of the championship.
As has been mentioned already i think the top 20-25 players are probably finishing up a weight/speed etc programme at the moment and pulling them out of this to play a game in sh*t* conditions is of zero benefit to them especially as they would need a few days to properly recover from it. The young players that are playing in the Munster league games in January are getting their chance to put their hand up and stake a claim for a spot on the panel. The conditions are terrible for hurling but if a player is really serious about not just being on the panel but trying to make the starting 15 they have to come prepared, they have to be in proper shape and frame of mind at this time of year which take alot of discipline over the christmas period. There is a lot of good young players coming through and they deserve a few games in a row to stake that claim.

HatchetMan7

Waterford v Limerick

1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Paudie Prendergast (Lismore)
3. Shane Fives (Tourin)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Shane Roche (Shamrocks)
6. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
7. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
10. Colin Dunford (Colligan)
11. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)
12. Jake Dillion (De La Salle)
13. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
14. Maurice Shanahan (Lismore)
15. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)

Looks more like the championship side from 8 to 15. Probably Shane Roche to fullback, Fives to corner back and Prendergast to wing back.

robopaddy2

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Waterford (v Clare)
1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Paudie Prendergast (Lismore)
3. Shane Fives (Tourin)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Shane Roche (Shamrocks)
6. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
7. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
10. Colin Dunford (Colligan)
11. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)
12. Jake Dillion (De La Salle)
13. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
14. Maurice Shanahan (Lismore)
15. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)

Looks more like the championship side from 8 to 15. Probably Shane Roche to fullback, Fives to corner back and Prendergast to wing back.

That's a bit more like it. the way Clare are approaching this competition we could have got an awful hiding with what was basically our intermediate team and it wouldn't have done us any good at all. Competition for places now up for grabs for the league aswell so good to see management have finally opted for a stronger side.

HatchetMan7

robopaddy2 wrote: »

That's a bit more like it. the way Clare are approaching this competition we could have got an awful hiding with what was basically our intermediate team and it wouldn't have done us any good at all. Competition for places now up for grabs for the league aswell so good to see management have finally opted for a stronger side.

Limerick are a much fitter looking team this year than last year. I couldn't believe how unfit some of their players were last year. I think they will be a totally different prospect this year. I know its still very early in the year but you'd have to think that Limerick, Clare, Cork and Tipp the latter two under new management, should all be considerably better than last year. This years Munster championship will be cut-throat!!

Waternut

I read where McGrath mentioned that there were 5 or 6 lands playing for both WIT and UCC. It was a little unfair for the manager to expect that team to go out and compete against that starting Clare team. That Clare team had five or six championship starters whilst there was probably nobody who will start championship on the team we named. It would have been very difficult for the younger lads to have made any impression in that game.

PTH2009

Another defeat last night by Limerick 3-16-1-17. Much stronger team out too.

Why was the game moved to the Gaelic grounds ??.

Waterford play Kerry in Fitzgerald stadium on Saturday. A must win game if we are to make a statement going into the league

DiscoStew

PTH2009 wrote: »

Another defeat last night by Limerick 3-16-1-17. Much stronger team out too.

Why was the game moved to the Gaelic grounds ??.

Waterford play Kerry in Fitzgerald stadium on Saturday. A must win game if we are to make a statement going into the league

Must win game.. Against Kerry.. Seriously?

Limerick are further down the road in their preparation for this year than we are I think. Weren't fit last year and are clearly out to set that right and incorporate some of their u21s into the side.
Lot of our lads made their first appearance last night. Made a good comeback too by the sounds of it and Limerick got back on top after Waterford made a few changes it seems.
Interesting to see Gleeson was named corner forward, probably operated further out the field though I imagine.

Ropaire

DiscoStew wrote: »

Must win game.. Against Kerry.. Seriously?

Limerick are further down the road in their preparation for this year than we are I think. Weren't fit last year and are clearly out to set that right and incorporate some of their u21s into the side.
Lot of our lads made their first appearance last night. Made a good comeback too by the sounds of it and Limerick got back on top after Waterford made a few changes it seems.
Interesting to see Gleeson was named corner forward, probably operated further out the field though I imagine.

17 wides hit, might be rustiness but unfortunately I'd imagine alot more than Gleeson played further out the field having seen that stat. Gleesons goal was from 30 yards like!
The only thing we lacked last year was a goal threat, early days I know but it looks like we're still sitting very deep and shooting from distance so how are we going to improve from last year?

mariano rivera

Anyone know where i can see the latest Waterford Club Transfers online?

lim4ev

Ropaire wrote: »

17 wides hit, might be rustiness but unfortunately I'd imagine alot more than Gleeson played further out the field having seen that stat. Gleesons goal was from 30 yards like!
The only thing we lacked last year was a goal threat, early days I know but it looks like we're still sitting very deep and shooting from distance so how are we going to improve from last year?

I was at the game and yes Limk are far fitter than they were at this stage last year and in general there seems to be a freshness about us.Waterford had an enormous amount of wides alright and seemed very sluggish at the start.Austin gleesons goal was out of this world prob won't see a better one but not a bit surprised as he's top class.I wouldn't be the best with the tactics etc but from what i saw waterford set up defensively but maybe not as much as previously i think they need to come up with something different as i can't see ye winning the all irl with a defensive system.Anyway very early yet wouldn't take much either way at this time of the yr.

DiscoStew

mariano rivera wrote: »

Anyone know where i can see the latest Waterford Club Transfers online?

Been searching for this too. Nothing in last week or this weeks local papers. Normally in them the first edition after they're ratified.

PTH2009

The Waterford Senior Hurling Team to face Kerry in Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney on Saturday 23rd January at 2pm is named as follows:
1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
6. Darragh Fives (Tourin)
7. Gavin O'Brien (Roanmore)
8. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
9. Colin Dunford (Colligan)
10. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
11. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)
12. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)
13. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
14. Maurice Shanahan (Lismore)
15. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)
Best of luck to all involved.


a nice piss up for the lads in kerry after lol.

Deise189

10-3 up at HT. No changes to the team named. Daragh fives, Brick curran and Dillon having a great game. Maurice getting frustrated things not going his way and picked up a yellow, Aussie not at the races either struggling to pick the ball up even. Defence on top and Kerry have only scored from frees. Plenty of encouraging performances though and the gap should widen comfortably in the second half bar wholesale changes to team and/or tactics.

PTH2009

Deise189 wrote: »

10-3 up at HT. No changes to the team named. Daragh fives, Brick curran and Dillon having a great game. Maurice getting frustrated things not going his way and picked up a yellow, Aussie not at the races either struggling to pick the ball up even. Defence on top and Kerry have only scored from frees. Plenty of encouraging performances though and the gap should widen comfortably in the second half bar wholesale changes to team and/or tactics.

What tactics are we playing ???. Quite a low score from us considering we're playing Kerry with such a strong team

STIG83

PTH2009 wrote: »

What tactics are we playing ???. Quite a low score from us considering we're playing Kerry with such a strong team

If you know such much about it, why don't you apply to become a manager?

PTH2009

STIG83 wrote: »

If you know such much about it, why don't you apply to become a manager?

Mite put my name in the hat next time lol. Warrickshire watch out the deise are coming lol.

Deise_2012

Any match report from yesterday? Glad to see Darragh Fives going well, some addition to have him fully fit for the year

DiscoStew

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Any match report from yesterday? Glad to see Darragh Fives going well, some addition to have him fully fit for the year

He certainly would be. That really opens up the prospect of moving Gleeson forward which they have been looking at in these games.
Have Stephen O'Keeffe or Philip Mahony seen any action yet? I can't recall seeing them named but could be playing other challenge games possibly. Is Tadhg de Burca far away from a return to action? He had a knee injury I believe and is another who hasn't seen any action as far as I can tell.

Deise_2012

DiscoStew wrote: »

He certainly would be. That really opens up the prospect of moving Gleeson forward which they have been looking at in these games.
Have Stephen O'Keeffe or Philip Mahony seen any action yet? I can't recall seeing them named but could be playing other challenge games possibly. Is Tadhg de Burca far away from a return to action? He had a knee injury I believe and is another who hasn't seen any action as far as I can tell.

De Burca is another week or 2 away from returning, I reckon he'll miss the KK game