Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

tonc76

Deise189 wrote: »

Don't know the score but darragh fives played which is good news. Hopefully he can get a good injury free run this year.

**stupid question alert** I presume parking is plentiful at carrignore for Sunday? I've never been there.

Loads of parking out there

DiscoStew

Figsy32 wrote: »

No relegation in Cork senior hurling for the next couple of years so the risk is greatly lessened!

How come this was introduced in Cork?

This would certainly lessen the risk but I imagine he's not going there for the good of his health so it's still money leaving the club. If their sole ambition is just to stay senior they may as well have someone from within the club in charge and keep the money?

DiscoStew

dubdeise wrote: »

Is there any update on Jack Fagan
I hear he is a serious player

Is he with the panel

Confirmed on Hoganstand by his club that he has joined DLS so certainly available to the county team. Playing with Carlow IT currently so not sure how available he is to the county team while he is playing in the Walsh Cup with them.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=248697

Deskjockey

deiseach wrote: »

What club are they then? Bloody nicknames.

Eh...The John Mitchell's club, based out in Fews near Kilmacthomas. They are a football only club, some of their players hurl with Clonea (or used to anyway)

thesultan

Any team for Sunday?

Deise_2012

thesultan wrote: »

Any team for Sunday?

Too early yet. Are the Wit, UCC lads allowed to play?

robopaddy2

DiscoStew wrote: »

Confirmed on Hoganstand by his club that he has joined DLS so certainly available to the county team. Playing with Carlow IT currently so not sure how available he is to the county team while he is playing in the Walsh Cup with them.

http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=248697

Not in favour of this happening. Firstly as a hurling man, I don't like seeing weaker counties losing their best players to the stronger ones. Maybe I'll change my mind if he comes off the bench to score a winning goal against Clare in a Munster semi final, but I'd take a lot more satisfaction in seeing one of our own lads breaking through after coming up through the underage system.

hardybuck

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Not in favour of this happening. Firstly as a hurling man, I don't like seeing weaker counties losing their best players to the stronger ones. Maybe I'll change my mind if he comes off the bench to score a winning goal against Clare in a Munster semi final, but I'd take a lot more satisfaction in seeing one of our own lads breaking through after coming up through the underage system.

I see that his club mention that "there was unanimous agreement at the meeting that we had to make the correct decision and we signed the transfer form".

It's a tough situation for the weaker county and player, but at the same time it's frustrating for a player if he can never fulfil his potential by staying at home.

deiseach

Deskjockey wrote: »

Eh...The John Mitchell's club, based out in Fews near Kilmacthomas. They are a football only club, some of their players hurl with Clonea (or used to anyway)

Yeah, I got that. They really could try harder with the nicknames. "The Johns" and "The Mitchells" would make a Test Match Special commentator (Aggers, Blowers, Tuffers, Johnners etc) blush.

Ropaire

hardybuck wrote: »

I see that his club mention that "there was unanimous agreement at the meeting that we had to make the correct decision and we signed the transfer form".

It's a tough situation for the weaker county and player, but at the same time it's frustrating for a player if he can never fulfil his potential by staying at home.

There's no easy solution really, he's going to get alot of stick for it but fair play to the lad for having the balls to give it a go.

I've always felt the championship structure does a disservice to promising players from much weaker counties that dont have the numbers to be competitive. Obviously this lad would love to play Liam McCarthy hurling with Meath but it won't happen any time soon. Even if Meath got a batch of players in the morning good enough to compete theres a glass ceiling in place to keep the status quo in place, Kerry should have been up years ago but got ****ed over a few times with leagie and championship promotion/relegation playoffs that are a joke. Theres plenty of good players who won't ever get a shot at playing Liam McCarthy without a transfer like this. Hurling needs as many competitive teams as possible, regional teams from Ulster, Connacht minus Galway and the weaker sides in Leinster would give these players a look in, boost interest outside traditional areas, give us more games to watch and earn the GAA a few more quid from dodgy replays. Where is the downside?

DiscoStew

Ropaire wrote: »

There's no easy solution really, he's going to get alot of stick for it but fair play to the lad for having the balls to give it a go.

I've always felt the championship structure does a disservice to promising players from much weaker counties that dont have the numbers to be competitive. Obviously this lad would love to play Liam McCarthy hurling with Meath but it won't happen any time soon. Even if Meath got a batch of players in the morning good enough to compete theres a glass ceiling in place to keep the status quo in place, Kerry should have been up years ago but got ****ed over a few times with leagie and championship promotion/relegation playoffs that are a joke. Theres plenty of good players who won't ever get a shot at playing Liam McCarthy without a transfer like this. Hurling needs as many competitive teams as possible, regional teams from Ulster, Connacht minus Galway and the weaker sides in Leinster would give these players a look in, boost interest outside traditional areas, give us more games to watch and earn the GAA a few more quid from dodgy replays. Where is the downside?

In theory it seems a good idea but there's almost always a lack of interest or commitment in the group teams. I suppose the passion can dwindle a little when not representing your own club or county. It mightn't be from all the players but it doesn't need to be, realistically.

Ropaire

Not always, South Kerry won the senior football championship there, they're made up of 8 small clubs from the ring. The Ulster schools used to enter a provincial team and were pretty competitive when they banned combined teams as well.
The big draw for these kind of teams in terms of player participation is how competitive they're likely to be. If there was a chance of a combined teams from the 4 weaker football sides in Munster entering the Sam McGuire I doubt you'd have much hassle getting a failry solid team onto the field.

Taking that aside though, in the football league every year its two up, two down. In hurling you have more fiddly playoffs and the like that the odds of getting relegated from 1b are pretty low. Kerry won all their 2A games a few years ago, won the final and then had to play a relegation/promotion game vs Offaly that they lost. How is that an incentive for those players to come back the year after and go again? They were robbed, and they deserve huge credit for sticking at it despite the glass ceiling put on it all!

This lad from Meath is in an even worse boat as Meath aren't exactly ripping it up and knocking on that glass ceiling, his only option to test himself is to transfer to a stronger county and best of luck to the lad for going for it. No guarantee he'll get a game or anything but at least he won't be thinking 'what if'.

If those kind of rules were in place in 1998 God knows how long it would have taken us to become competitive, our "golden generation" might never have been.

danganabu

Ropaire wrote: »

Taking that aside though, in the football league every year its two up, two down. In hurling you have more fiddly playoffs and the like that the odds of getting relegated from 1b are pretty low. Kerry won all their 2A games a few years ago, won the final and then had to play a relegation/promotion game vs Offaly that they lost. How is that an incentive for those players to come back the year after and go again? They were robbed, and they deserve huge credit for sticking at it despite the glass ceiling put on it all!

To be fair you are not comparing like with like, Football and Hurling are light years apart and have absolutely zero in common apart from being under the control of the same organisation.

Yes it was a farce the way the rules were changed on Kerry, but I know a lot of people in Kerry hurling and they will all to a man tell you that it was a blessing in disguise, they would have been murdered and it would have put Kerry hurling back a decade.

3ships

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Too early yet. Are the Wit, UCC lads allowed to play?

Ye but UCC are playing Cork on Sat so don't know how many will play both. There are 7/8 lads with them. The Carlow IT lads will be playing Walsh Cup thats 3/4. There is 4/5 lads involved in the U-21 championship and then there is the usual injuries absentees etc so it'll be experimental enough

DiscoStew

3ships wrote: »

Ye but UCC are playing Cork on Sat so don't know how many will play both. There are 7/8 lads with them. The Carlow IT lads will be playing Walsh Cup thats 3/4. There is 4/5 lads involved in the U-21 championship and then there is the usual injuries absentees etc so it'll be experimental enough

Who's with UCC these days? Barron, de Burca, Curran, Shane Roche (is he on the panel this year?), Foran, Mark O'Brien (again are they with the seniors this year?), Colm Roche I think is in UCC but he wouldn't be eligible for FitzGibbon this year. Tom Devine (is he still injured?). There could be more I'm sure? Is Conor Gleeson in UCC?

Carlow lads - Colin Dunford, Ross Browne, Fagan. Who's the 4th?

3ships

Michael harney with carlow. Gavin o brien with ucc also but pat curran i think has moved. I presume they are all training at the moment

DiscoStew

DLS defeated Mt Sion tonight in Eastern U21 final. Shane McNulty played a stormer.
Quick turn around now for DLS to face Dungarvan on Sunday. Hard thing to do, never mind against a team containing as many game changers as Dungarvan.
Would have to fancy Dungarvan, even with talk of an injury to Cathal Curran.

PTH2009

Beat kilkenny on the 14th Feb in the league and it will do us wonders. The main key of the league will be to avoid relagation and possibly get to a semi final. The big talk of 2016 will be Clare and this new magical set up they have.

We could end up losing all our Munster leagues games as there being used to play fridge players. The more experienced guys won't play.

Can't wait for the new season

danganabu

PTH2009 wrote: »

Beat kilkenny on the 14th Feb in the league and it will do us wonders. The main key of the league will be to avoid relagation and possibly get to a semi final. The big talk of 2016 will be Clare and this new magical set up they have.

We could end up losing all our Munster leagues games as there being used to play fridge players. The more experienced guys won't play.

Can't wait for the new season

Jaysus I know cryotherapy can be beneficial but that's taking it a bit far

PTH2009

danganabu wrote: »

Jaysus I know cryotherapy can be beneficial but that's taking it a bit far

Stupid predictive text

DiscoStew

PTH2009 wrote: »

Beat kilkenny on the 14th Feb in the league and it will do us wonders. The main key of the league will be to avoid relagation and possibly get to a semi final. The big talk of 2016 will be Clare and this new magical set up they have.

We could end up losing all our Munster leagues games as there being used to play fridge players. The more experienced guys won't play.

Can't wait for the new season

I don't think anybody is particularly worried about the Munster league. With the limited access to college players for these matches, combined with the established players being unlikely to feature too heavily I can only see experimental Waterford sides taking the field in this. There might be a splash of experience in each team but if I was to guess I would say it will be largely players added to the panel this year with players who were on the extended panel or making the bench without seeing much action.
If we could unearth one or two who could make the step up to the cut panel it will have been a worthwhile exercise.

If Patrick Curran has indeed changed colleges he will be ineligible for Freshers or FitzGibbon hurling. I don't know if this is the case but if it was it could benefit Waterford nicely as he would be playing less games and training with less teams.

boodiebhoy

DiscoStew wrote: »

DLS defeated Mt Sion tonight in Eastern U21 final. Shane McNulty played a stormer.
Quick turn around now for DLS to face Dungarvan on Sunday. Hard thing to do, never mind against a team containing as many game changers as Dungarvan.
Would have to fancy Dungarvan, even with talk of an injury to Cathal Curran.

Will the final be played now - on WLR that DLS won't play on Sunday, hard to blame them.

DiscoStew

boodiebhoy wrote: »

Will the final be played now - on WLR that DLS won't play on Sunday, hard to blame them.

Ya it's a tough one for all. Dungarvan obviously don't want it dragging on any further and DLS should probably be given more of a break. How many players would DLS have on the u21 team that are also on the harty team? This was mentioned as one reason for looking for a postponement.

Deisegodeo

Any word on whether the u21 county final is going ahead Sunday? There was a meeting tonight to decide it I think.

Bit of a farce, no games for weeks if not months then DLS expected to play 2 massive games in 4 days. With DLS having played Thursday and the Harty quarter final on Wednesday I'd imagine the u21 will be pushed out a week.

Deise_2012

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Any word on whether the u21 county final is going ahead Sunday? There was a meeting tonight to decide it I think.

Bit of a farce, no games for weeks if not months then DLS expected to play 2 massive games in 4 days. With DLS having played Thursday and the Harty quarter final on Wednesday I'd imagine the u21 will be pushed out a week.

Dungarvan have 2 or 3 lads that were due to fly to America after New years, they delayed the flight for the final so I'd say they wanna get it played this Sunday

deisemum

De La Salle will not play in County Final after win last night.

De La Salle won the Eastern Under 21 A hurling final by 0-18 to 1-14 against Mount Sion at Carriganore last night. Captain Shane McNulty struck six points for the winners.The teams were level on seven occasions before De La Salle surged four points clear in the final quarter with McNulty and freetaker Shane Ryan hitting top form.Andy Doherty netted a late goal for Mount Sion but they couldn't find an equaliser in injury time. De La Salle are due to play Dungarvan in the county final on Sunday but manager Brian Phelan maintains that the club won't be in a position to fulfil the fixture. FOR MORE ON THIS, TUNE INTO WLR FM SPORTS NEWS.

http://www.wlrfm.com/sport/local/57179-de-la-salle-will-not-play-in-county-final-after-win-last-night.html

DiscoStew

Gavin O'Brien lining out at corner back today for UCC. Barron at midfield and Mark O'Brien on the bench. Maybe some of the others might be involved tomorrow.

runjb

Seems a strong enough team for tomorrow:

http://www.the42.ie/waterford-call-on-big-names-for-season-opener-2539585-Jan2016/

Waterford:

1. Ian O’Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
3. Shane Roche (Shamrocks)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Paudie Pender (Lismore)
6. Darragh Fives (Tourin)
7. Gavin O Brien (Roanmore)
8. Colin Dunford (Colligan)
9. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)
10. Michael Harney (Bunmahon)
11. Thomas Ryan (Tallow)
12. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)
13. Brian O Halloran (Clashmore Kinsalebeg)
14. Maurice Shanahan (Lismore)
15. Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)

DiscoStew

runjb wrote: »

Seems a strong enough team for tomorrow:

http://www.the42.ie/waterford-call-on-big-names-for-season-opener-2539585-Jan2016/

Waterford:

1. Ian O’Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
3. Shane Roche (Shamrocks)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Paudie Pender (Lismore)
6. Darragh Fives (Tourin)
7. Gavin O Brien (Roanmore)
8. Colin Dunford (Colligan)
9. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)
10. Michael Harney (Bunmahon)
11. Thomas Ryan (Tallow)
12. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)
13. Brian O Halloran (Clashmore Kinsalebeg)
14. Maurice Shanahan (Lismore)
15. Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)

Hard to imagine Gavin O'Brien playing 2 games in 2 days. Could see a change or 2 to that team tomorrow.

Deise_2012

Donie Breathnach is gone playing for the footballers, delighted to see it. Great addition to the team. Interesting to see Conor Prunty playing also, full back last year on the minor hurling team, I would have thought he'd have chosen hurling before football.

The hurlers look strong for tomorrow, I'd love to see Brian O'Halloran and Darragh Fives get an injury free year, the two of them are due one