Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

seananigans

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/listen-maurice-shanahan-reveals-harrowing-details-of-multiple-suicide-attempts/52549

yikes lads, im sure we all knew but never discussed openly, its 45 minutes long but i listened to every second of it nearly in tears here

Waternut

I'd have to agree that Tadhg should remain centre back. If Darragh Fives can remain injury free, he has far too much hurling to be on the bench. Conor Gleeson should also get a run out in the league, another very talented player who should be pushing on this year, probably in the backs. I know Devine got a few important goals last year but I still question whether he is a forward. He should be given the opportunity to show what he can do, but I have my doubts, probably lacks pace. Anyone know whether there are many new faces on the training panel?

PTH2009

with all the talent we have at the moment it would be a crying shame if we didnt win an all ireland or even get to a final over the next 10-12 years.

the 1998-2008 team should of won all irelands but just never happend (6 semi finals with 1 victory is not a kind stat for that team, 2007 should of been our year if we didnt draw with cork in the qf and play 3 weeks in a row).

PTH2009

seananigans wrote: »

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/listen-maurice-shanahan-reveals-harrowing-details-of-multiple-suicide-attempts/52549

yikes lads, im sure we all knew but never discussed openly, its 45 minutes long but i listened to every second of it nearly in tears here

yeah is quite good. understand everything he went through as i have suffered in the past with depression. hope all the best for him in life

DiscoStew

Waternut wrote: »

I'd have to agree that Tadhg should remain centre back. If Darragh Fives can remain injury free, he has far too much hurling to be on the bench. Conor Gleeson should also get a run out in the league, another very talented player who should be pushing on this year, probably in the backs. I know Devine got a few important goals last year but I still question whether he is a forward. He should be given the opportunity to show what he can do, but I have my doubts, probably lacks pace. Anyone know whether there are many new faces on the training panel?

Would agree with that assertation in regard to Conor Gleeson. He is a very talented and versatile player. If Daniels was to take a year out (hadn't heard that previously) then Gleeson would be a very good option to have instead.
Hard to see too many changes to the team. Would like to see Harney and McNulty get some league action too, think it would be good to get some new players used to playing against those top teams. Obviously such rotation and achieving the desired results is a delicate balancing act.
If Pauric can get back to the level he was at last year prior to the injury it will be a real addition. I do worry that it will be the following year before we see him going at 100% again though. From looking at him on the line for Ballygunner he looks to be carrying the leg still. Hopefully I am wrong with that though.
Where do people see Darragh Fives fitting in? If fit I don't think he can be left out, how would you accommodate him? I thought he was immense against Kilkenny in the semi final. Incidentally, there has been whispers of Cappoquin swooping for the Fives brothers after their relegation to junior. That would certainly soften the blow of losing the Murrays.
Really excited at the prospect of Patrick Curran being on board for the full year. He could be huge next year if we add another body to our forward division.

culbaire

DiscoStew wrote: »

Would agree with that assertation in regard to Conor Gleeson. He is a very talented and versatile player. If Daniels was to take a year out (hadn't heard that previously) then Gleeson would be a very good option to have instead.
Hard to see too many changes to the team. Would like to see Harney and McNulty get some league action too, think it would be good to get some new players used to playing against those top teams. Obviously such rotation and achieving the desired results is a delicate balancing act.
If Pauric can get back to the level he was at last year prior to the injury it will be a real addition. I do worry that it will be the following year before we see him going at 100% again though. From looking at him on the line for Ballygunner he looks to be carrying the leg still. Hopefully I am wrong with that though.
Where do people see Darragh Fives fitting in? If fit I don't think he can be left out, how would you accommodate him? I thought he was immense against Kilkenny in the semi final. Incidentally, there has been whispers of Cappoquin swooping for the Fives brothers after their relegation to junior. That would certainly soften the blow of losing the Murrays.
Really excited at the prospect of Patrick Curran being on board for the full year. He could be huge next year if we add another body to our forward division.

Sure the whole county is SUPPOSED to be joining Cappoquin as Cappoquin will be favourites to take the Senior in 2016.

DiscoStew

culbaire wrote: »

Sure the whole county is SUPPOSED to be joining Cappoquin as Cappoquin will be favourites to take the Senior in 2016.

The only ones I heard mentioned were the Fives. I actually met a man who would be very much involved in Cappoquin hurling scene less than a week ago and he was very optimistic that they would be joining them.
He also mentioned that it would only be Conor Murray joining Ballyduff along with his father. Reckoned Finán was giving it up altogether and that Eoghan was ineligible to transfer as he was too young but wasn't hopeful of him lining out with Cappoquin this year at underage or adult.

robopaddy2

DiscoStew wrote: »

The only ones I heard mentioned were the Fives. I actually met a man who would be very much involved in Cappoquin hurling scene less than a week ago and he was very optimistic that they would be joining them.
He also mentioned that it would only be Conor Murray joining Ballyduff along with his father. Reckoned Finán was giving it up altogether and that Eoghan was ineligible to transfer as he was too young but wasn't hopeful of him lining out with Cappoquin this year at underage or adult.

As someone who knows the Fives's I'd be very surprised if they joined Cappoquin. They're Tourin to the core, as was their father and grandfather who won a county senior with them back in the 50s. I know Shane played in Cork for a couple years but can't see them joining a neighbouring club. Even if that is who they played their underage hurling with.

The situation with the Murray fallout is an example of GAA at its very worst. A crying shame to hear of good young players not playing anymore but hardly surprising when you see the nonsense that has gone on. If there is no pleasure and enjoyment out of playing the game and only conflict then why would you bother.

Deskjockey

NEWSFLASH: The panels for the interprovincials have been named, and on the hurling side, even with Mullane as a selector, there is only one waterford man picked- Noel Connors. Is it lack of interest or what you'd wonder. There are 7 Tipp lads on the Munster panel and 7 KK lads on the Leinster panel as a comparison ...

Even though the crowds don't go to see this anymore, I always thought the players enjoyed it, and liked meeting lads from other teams.

There are actually two Deise men picked on the football panel, Paul Whyte and Thomas O'Gorman, best of luck to all.

Edit: December really is a balls of a time of year to be playing this in fairness...

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/12/02/management-teams-for-munster-inter-provincial-teams/

PTH2009

Deskjockey wrote: »

NEWSFLASH: The panels for the interprovincials have been named, and on the hurling side, even with Mullane as a selector, there is only one waterford man picked- Noel Connors. Is it lack of interest or what you'd wonder. There are 7 Tipp lads on the Munster panel and 7 KK lads on the Leinster panel as a comparison ...

Even though the crowds don't go to see this anymore, I always thought the players enjoyed it, and liked meeting lads from other teams.

There are actually two Deise men picked on the football panel, Paul Whyte and Thomas O'Gorman, best of luck to all.

Edit: December really is a balls of a time of year to be playing this in fairness...

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/12/02/management-teams-for-munster-inter-provincial-teams/

Most of the waterford panel are gone on there team holiday to spain and some of the waterford players are playing in the under 21 county final at the weekend.

culbaire

DiscoStew wrote: »

The only ones I heard mentioned were the Fives. I actually met a man who would be very much involved in Cappoquin hurling scene less than a week ago and he was very optimistic that they would be joining them.
He also mentioned that it would only be Conor Murray joining Ballyduff along with his father. Reckoned Finán was giving it up altogether and that Eoghan was ineligible to transfer as he was too young but wasn't hopeful of him lining out with Cappoquin this year at underage or adult.

Cappoquin is very optimistic that about 5 different players are joining the club. Wishful thinking on the part of some Cappoquin club members. None of them is joining Cappoquin.

Deskjockey

PTH2009 wrote: »

Most of the waterford panel are gone on there team holiday to spain and some of the waterford players are playing in the under 21 county final at the weekend.

Ah right, that explains it so

deiseach

Hard luck to Fenor yesterday. I was following it on my phone and at 7 points apiece thought it must be a right ding-dong tussle. Next time I looked...oops. A great year for them nonetheless.

Professey Chin

New jersey. The honeycomb effect is different. I think I like it

tomwaterford

Professey Chin wrote: »

New jersey. The honeycomb effect is different. I think I like it

I really like it


Hopefully we'll see it up the steps of the hogan stand in September!!


Really excited of the prospect of next year...see what way the team will line out (possibly realise more of its attacking potential..while maintaining defensive soundness...conundrum)
...will all this strength and conditioning make enough of a difference?

boodiebhoy

Is this available to buy now?

big_drive

Nice jersey!

robopaddy2

Professey Chin wrote: »

New jersey. The honeycomb effect is different. I think I like it

White or blue shorts?

PTH2009

nice jersey cant wait to see the full range. more of polo shirt man myself

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

nice jersey cant wait to see the full range. more of polo shirt man myself

credit to Azzurri for pulling this off. Definitely the best they've come up with, after a few serious duds in the past. They're starting to learn that less is more when it comes to producing nice jerseys. The more straight forward design is best. still not sure on the honeycombe shading but it might grow on me. Looking forward to seeing it in full rig-out with shorts. Definitely a jersey we can be proud of going into 2016. More accustomed to being envious of other counties gear.

deisemum

I've got the new jersey on order since early last week, should have it next week.

deisedude

deisemum wrote: »

I've got the new jersey on order since early last week, should have it next week.

Where can you buy it?

deisemum

I called into Azzurri and ordered it. I was told they probably wont have enough for the shop but I was able to order it.

culbaire

DiscoStew wrote: »

The only ones I heard mentioned were the Fives. I actually met a man who would be very much involved in Cappoquin hurling scene less than a week ago and he was very optimistic that they would be joining them.
He also mentioned that it would only be Conor Murray joining Ballyduff along with his father. Reckoned Finán was giving it up altogether and that Eoghan was ineligible to transfer as he was too young but wasn't hopeful of him lining out with Cappoquin this year at underage or adult.

Optimism based on delusion. I am aware of three other names put out by some people in the Cappoquin/Affane club. None of the five players named is transferring.

The Dickler

Just thinking about next year. Whatever hopes we have of Waterford repeating and improving their exploits of last, they are not under the kind of pressure some of their rival teams are under.

Cork just have to do something to restore some respect wherever they manage to find the players.

But the team under greatest weight of expectation has to be the Banner.
With two dismal seasons for them having passed since their glorious achievements of 2013 the hurling world is waiting to see if they can fulfil their undoubted potential or are they to become the biggest "one hit wonders" since Wexford in '96.
Add to the equation the inclusion of the controversial Donal Og to Fitzy's back room team and we either have the the most potent management team ever or a complete farce. As one wit said there will be very little room left in that dressingroom with those two egos in there.

For what it's worth my own opinion veers towards the latter. I believe they have two of the best forwards in the game. But I have some doubts about Davy's management skills and I am convinced that Cusack is a complete spoofer. In his endeavour to be sonprofound as a pundit he actually came out with some of the greatest rubbish I've ever heard on the Sunday Game. Time will tell.

robopaddy2

The Dickler wrote: »

Just thinking about next year. Whatever hopes we have of Waterford repeating and improving their exploits of last, they are not under the kind of pressure some of their rival teams are under.

Cork just have to do something to restore some respect wherever they manage to find the players.

But the team under greatest weight of expectation has to be the Banner.
With two dismal seasons for them having passed since their glorious achievements of 2013 the hurling world is waiting to see if they can fulfil their undoubted potential or are they to become the biggest "one hit wonders" since Wexford in '96.
Add to the equation the inclusion of the controversial Donal Og to Fitzy's back room team and we either have the the most potent management team ever or a complete farce. As one wit said there will be very little room left in that dressingroom with those two egos in there.

For what it's worth my own opinion veers towards the latter. I believe they have two of the best forwards in the game. But I have some doubts about Davy's management skills and I am convinced that Cusack is a complete spoofer. In his endeavour to be sonprofound as a pundit he actually came out with some of the greatest rubbish I've ever heard on the Sunday Game. Time will tell.

One of the funniest posts Ive read in a while. Don't sit on the fence anyway! But agree with a lot of what you say about where some of the other big counties are at.
Tipp are kind of at a cross roads. The noises coming from the camp aren't great. Their 2 first choice midfielders retiring both are just barely on either side of thirty. Seems strange to me. O'Mahony aswell. Fair enough Corbett was well past his sell by date. Id wonder about how the decision to appoint a manager 12 months in advance has worked out as there are always going to be people who don't see eye to eye. Galway look to be up s**t creek aswell but they do have a habit of turning it on when you least expect it. Dublin are also gone imo. Cunningham hasn't won the players around at all and their best years were under Daly a few years ago I think their time has passed.
Limerick could be dark horses but traditionally they under achieve after underage success and I'm not convinced on TJ Ryan. Wexford might make progress but I'd consider us to be ahead of them. For me its Clare and KK the 2 best looking sides in the country. KK we know are going to be hard to take down but Clare I wouldn't overly fear for reasons outlined by you above. I think we'll be there nor thereabouts....

enoughtaken

Extract from The Journal. Some good news

WATERFORD GAA SECRETARY Timmy O’Keeffe believes that the county board will be debt free within two years as the Déise made a €5,374 surplus in their 2015 accounts. It represents a significant turnaround for the board after they required a €600,000 bank loan last year.
Ahead of Thursday night’s convention in Dungarvan, O’Keeffe reveals that they have stabilised the county finances, primarily through a €250,000 contribution from the Munster Council, and reduced their debt to €130,000.
“I am pleased to report that the finances of the board are in a reasonably healthy state in 2015. The accounts show a small surplus of approximately €6,000 for the year as compared to €12,000 in 2014.
“Full credit must go to the county treasurer and Liam Cheasty in ensuring that our finances are kept under tight control. The contribution of €250,000 from the Munster Council was a massive boost to the county and particularly to the clubs. This money was used to pay down debts and Waterford county board’s borrowings now stand at €130,615. Taking into account that we have no overdraft this is a major achievement and we can all look forward to being debt free within two years.”
Strides
The cost of county teams rose to €664,485 in 2015. The senior hurlers spent a total of €362,492, an increase of €105,000 on the 2014 figures. The footballers ran up costs of €130,982. Gate receipts from club championship games fell by €30,000 to €185,115. O’Keeffe stated that they must continue the positive strides made.
“Strict cost controls must be maintained and fundraising efforts will have to be redoubled. A disappointing feature of our accounts is the steady decline in gate receipts. The crowds at many of our games are a disappointment.”
He also outlined his concerns over the future of football in the county. “I wrote in the last two year’s reports that an alarming gap has opened up between Waterford and the other five counties in Munster at underage football level and the situation has not improved at all in the past year. In fact, if anything the gap is getting wider. There is an urgent need to take stock of where Gaelic Football is at in the county at the moment.”
O’Keeffe accepted the difficulty in meeting the deadlines for the Munster club championship. Waterford SFC winners Stradbally only had 23 hours to prepare for their provincial quarter final against Nemo Rangers.
“Completing all adult championships in 2015 in time for the Munster club championship was a very challenging experience. All were completed on time and all our county champions got the opportunity to participate in the Munster club championships. The turnaround time in the senior and intermediate football was far from satisfactory.
The fact that in Waterford all clubs have a dual involvement in hurling and football makes planning games very difficult and this is compounded when clubs qualify for the knockout stages of both codes.”
He also expressed disappointment with the performance of the Waterford footballers despite winning the McGrath Cup for only the second time.
“A season that promised much in January petered out badly by June. The truth of the matter is that Waterford needs to have the best footballers in the county playing for the county team in every competitive game.
“We must fully accept that the ‘footballers’ on the hurling panel will not be available to the county football team but there are several other top class players who are not making themselves available to the county football team.”

robopaddy2

enoughtaken wrote: »

Extract from The Journal. Some good news

WATERFORD GAA SECRETARY Timmy O’Keeffe believes that the county board will be debt free within two years as the Déise made a €5,374 surplus in their 2015 accounts. It represents a significant turnaround for the board after they required a €600,000 bank loan last year.
Ahead of Thursday night’s convention in Dungarvan, O’Keeffe reveals that they have stabilised the county finances, primarily through a €250,000 contribution from the Munster Council, and reduced their debt to €130,000.
“I am pleased to report that the finances of the board are in a reasonably healthy state in 2015. The accounts show a small surplus of approximately €6,000 for the year as compared to €12,000 in 2014.
“Full credit must go to the county treasurer and Liam Cheasty in ensuring that our finances are kept under tight control. The contribution of €250,000 from the Munster Council was a massive boost to the county and particularly to the clubs. This money was used to pay down debts and Waterford county board’s borrowings now stand at €130,615. Taking into account that we have no overdraft this is a major achievement and we can all look forward to being debt free within two years.”
Strides
The cost of county teams rose to €664,485 in 2015. The senior hurlers spent a total of €362,492, an increase of €105,000 on the 2014 figures. The footballers ran up costs of €130,982. Gate receipts from club championship games fell by €30,000 to €185,115. O’Keeffe stated that they must continue the positive strides made.
“Strict cost controls must be maintained and fundraising efforts will have to be redoubled. A disappointing feature of our accounts is the steady decline in gate receipts. The crowds at many of our games are a disappointment.”
He also outlined his concerns over the future of football in the county. “I wrote in the last two year’s reports that an alarming gap has opened up between Waterford and the other five counties in Munster at underage football level and the situation has not improved at all in the past year. In fact, if anything the gap is getting wider. There is an urgent need to take stock of where Gaelic Football is at in the county at the moment.”
O’Keeffe accepted the difficulty in meeting the deadlines for the Munster club championship. Waterford SFC winners Stradbally only had 23 hours to prepare for their provincial quarter final against Nemo Rangers.
“Completing all adult championships in 2015 in time for the Munster club championship was a very challenging experience. All were completed on time and all our county champions got the opportunity to participate in the Munster club championships. The turnaround time in the senior and intermediate football was far from satisfactory.
The fact that in Waterford all clubs have a dual involvement in hurling and football makes planning games very difficult and this is compounded when clubs qualify for the knockout stages of both codes.”
He also expressed disappointment with the performance of the Waterford footballers despite winning the McGrath Cup for only the second time.
“A season that promised much in January petered out badly by June. The truth of the matter is that Waterford needs to have the best footballers in the county playing for the county team in every competitive game.
“We must fully accept that the ‘footballers’ on the hurling panel will not be available to the county football team but there are several other top class players who are not making themselves available to the county football team.”

According to Timmy. Personally I wouldn't beleive the radio in that mans car....

limmyhulk

The Dickler wrote: »

Just thinking about next year. Whatever hopes we have of Waterford repeating and improving their exploits of last, they are not under the kind of pressure some of their rival teams are under.

Cork just have to do something to restore some respect wherever they manage to find the players.

But the team under greatest weight of expectation has to be the Banner.
With two dismal seasons for them having passed since their glorious achievements of 2013 the hurling world is waiting to see if they can fulfil their undoubted potential or are they to become the biggest "one hit wonders" since Wexford in '96.
Add to the equation the inclusion of the controversial Donal Og to Fitzy's back room team and we either have the the most potent management team ever or a complete farce. As one wit said there will be very little room left in that dressingroom with those two egos in there.

For what it's worth my own opinion veers towards the latter. I believe they have two of the best forwards in the game. But I have some doubts about Davy's management skills and I am convinced that Cusack is a complete spoofer. In his endeavour to be sonprofound as a pundit he actually came out with some of the greatest rubbish I've ever heard on the Sunday Game. Time will tell.

cork are at nothing, theres no making a silk purse from a sows ear , best they can hope for is to win a schools competition,making hard work of it,lim-clare tipp wat have proper quality panels for 2016-should be interesting

PTH2009

http://www.the42.ie/derek-mcgrath-reflects-on-waterford-2015-2500611-Dec2015/