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    #122
    ancapallliath
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭ancapallliath


    Shemale wrote: »
    Why feel sorry for him, he should have switched codes last year as he has no chance of doing 9 stone.

    I used to think he was great and have lost all the admiration with every race he was overweight, he is hurtling towards "complete arsehole" territory.

    People saying his dad this and that, he is nearly 22 and should have the balls to say dad I cant do the weight so I am going to ride national hunt

    While atttempting not to insult you, but the fact you thought he was great and is now hurtling towards arsehole territory negates any argument you are trying to disprove

    I don't think many ever thought he was great but it's absurd to think he is an arsehole.

    I don't back him in the same way I don't back Spencer. But he rode Dundalk well and became somewhat of a job jockey.

    There is the argument he was on the best horses but other trainers wouldn't have booked him if he was not able for the job


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    #123
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    tryfix wrote: »
    It's not the only reason he was beaten, it is the reason that he didn't win. Australia lost by 1/4l, 1lb weight over 10f is equal to more than 1/2l.

    That 1lb overweight did serious damage to the reputation of one of the best horses that O'Brien has trained. The scenic route that Joey took cost the horse another few lengths. When you put them all together Australia wouldn't have been far off the 2l that he beat The Grey Gatsby by on his previous run. Joey's ride and overweight deprived the horse of a 129/130 rating which would have made him the equal of Galileo, it also deprived him of his 4th Gp1 win in a row and an undefeated season at middle distances.:mad:

    It don't think it was the weight that lost the race. Joey went around the bend far too wide at Leopy. Even when it happened, I remember a bit of a gasp from the crowd who saw there was something wrong. Grey Gatsby had covered less ground to get up on Australia. Over confidence lost the race


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    #124
    finbarrk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Shemale wrote: »
    Did you see Today FM, being different were just horsing around and foaling people, I know straight from the 80s!

    Their marketing team and John Duggan should get the hoof as I doubt I am alone saying there is neigh chance of me ever tuning in again.

    Do they really think pretending they have news is going to attract people.

    I'm with you on this one for sure.


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    #125
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,410 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    No rides for Joey at Dundalk on Wednesday, instead Moore takes the ride carrying 9 stone 3 - http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=622589&r_date=2015-04-01#raceTabs=sc_


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    #126
    tryfix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    It don't think it was the weight that lost the race. Joey went around the bend far too wide at Leopy. Even when it happened, I remember a bit of a gasp from the crowd who saw there was something wrong. Grey Gatsby had covered less ground to get up on Australia. Over confidence lost the race
    The point I am making is that the overweight he carried did actually stop Australia finishing ahead of The Grey Gatsby.

    If the jockey hadn't put up 1lb overweight the ride itself would only have meant the horse wouldn't have been a comfortable winner. He could have got away with either carrying the overweight or going wide, but not both.


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    #127
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    tryfix wrote: »
    The point I am making is that the overweight he carried did actually stop Australia finishing ahead of The Grey Gatsby.

    If the jockey hadn't put up 1lb overweight the ride itself would only have meant the horse wouldn't have been a comfortable winner. He could have got away with either carrying the overweight or going wide, but not both.

    He did not get away with going around the bend too wide and going for the sprint a little too early. No one brought up the weight issue as a reason for the lost (well I did funny enough). It was tactics , I don't believe the weight issue was a big factor in the loss if the horse was rode more carefully

    It ignores the fact that the horse has been on the go since May (so had Gatsby to be fair, but had not ran to full capacity)


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    #128
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    No rides for Joey at Dundalk on Wednesday, instead Moore takes the ride carrying 9 stone 3 - http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=622589&r_date=2015-04-01#raceTabs=sc_

    Holy Moly!

    Things must be really quite at Sir Michael Stoute's yard.

    Never thought I would see that day that Moore would be on an Irish Race Track not called Leopardstown (which is rare enough) or the Curragh

    Baldoyle must really have no time of Hefferan or O'Donoghue

    If Ruby Walsh and Barry Geraghty were able to plane hop between Ireland and Britain regularly, I don't buy Moore's notion that he wont be willing to come to Ireland a little more often , at least on big days or Sundays. I don't see Stoute having much arsenal (Hillstar and that over rated pre 2013 Derby favourite are no use). Maybe some decent Hannon horses, but Richard to get to have the best ones. History showed that it didn't hurt Piggott (well,professionally)


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    #129
    ancapallliath
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭ancapallliath


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Holy Moly!

    Things must be really quite at Sir Michael Stoute's yard.

    Never thought I would see that day that Moore would be on an Irish Race Track not called Leopardstown (which is rare enough) or the Curragh

    Baldoyle must really have no time of Hefferan or O'Donoghue

    to be fair the winner does take €29k prize money so not exactly a run of the mill race.
    The Track Formerly Known As Great Leighs (TTFKAGL) does have a half decent Class2 so I suppose he could have picked up a few rides there

    read an article the other day about how racing has changed and the jockeys championship has lost some appeal with so many big international races.
    I suppose Ryan can afford to be selective and having Coolemore backing he is going for big prizes.


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    #130
    Lt J.R. Bell
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    ancapallliath wrote: »
    to be fair the winner does take €29k prize money so not exactly a run of the mill race.
    The Track Formerly Known As Great Leighs (TTFKAGL) does have a half decent Class2 so I suppose he could have picked up a few rides there

    read an article the other day about how racing has changed and the jockeys championship has lost some appeal with so many big international races.
    I suppose Ryan can afford to be selective and having Coolemore backing he is going for big prizes.
    Hence why the British have changed the format for their championship. Feel sorry for the likes of Graham Lee and the jockey that often rides/ rode for Sir Mark Prescott who rid winners all year round

    Oh yeah, sure if Moore was bothered, he would have given Hughes a serious run for the championship last year.he threw in the towel early.

    But, who could blame him? He rode and won two huge races in Australia, America and even in Ireland in the space of one month or so

    He is dead right, keep his options open. Still just a nice surprise for people going to the races at Dundalk. He has that wonderful knack of "how the hell did he do that" way of ridding, finding those precious gaps. Looks effortless when done right

    He had ridden Kingsman at two, rode Sole Power, gets a few Fahy horses (who are unpredictable) He's got Haggas, and when Willie Mullins has a few running at Ascot Moore is likely to be asked.then he has Japan.


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    #131
    Shemale
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    pugw wrote: »
    Why should he?

    Eh, because he consistently can't do the weight


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    #132
    Shemale
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    ancapallliath wrote: »
    While atttempting not to insult you, but the fact you thought he was great and is now hurtling towards arsehole territory negates any argument you are trying to disprove

    I don't think many ever thought he was great but it's absurd to think he is an arsehole.

    How is it absurd, he was doing very well for the first couple of seasons, he hasn't been able to make the weight for quite a while.

    All the while he is blotting his copybook and the copybook of the horses he is getting beaten by short distances by virtue of his sheer inability to make weight and subborness not to do the decent thing.


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    #133
    NaiveMelodies
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    Shemale wrote: »
    How is it absurd, he was doing very well for the first couple of seasons, he hasn't been able to make the weight for quite a while.

    All the while he is blotting his copybook and the copybook of the horses he is getting beaten by short distances by virtue of his sheer inability to make weight and subborness not to do the decent thing.

    How is he nearing arsehole territory though? That post was possibly one of the worst posts I have read in a long time.


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    #134
    Shemale
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    NaiveMelodies wrote: »
    How is he nearing arsehole territory though? That post was possibly one of the worst posts I have read in a long time.

    Continuing to do a job he can't do properly, costing the horses he rides wins and denting their reputation and costing punters who may not be aware he is once again overweight money, that for me is the action of an arsehole.

    Really sorry you did not enjoy my post :rolleyes:


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    #135
    ancapallliath
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭ancapallliath


    Shemale wrote: »
    Continuing to do a job he can't do properly, costing the horses he rides wins and denting their reputation and costing punters who may not be aware he is once again overweight money, that for me is the action of an arsehole.

    Really sorry you did not enjoy my post :rolleyes:

    Is he continuing to do a job he can't do properly because of being overweight?

    Has anyone got stats on how many races he was overweight and of them, how many he lost on and by what distance?
    I would imagine there would be minimal occasions where the weight possibly cist him the race - but I could be wrong.

    Arsehole though is harsh and uncalled for and indeed absurd.

    If you think there are not worse happenings in thw irish racing scene than knowingly riding overweight then you should think again.


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    #136
    the groutch
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    beaten a neck on Tapestry in the Irish Oaks doing a pound and a half overweight.


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    #137
    Shemale
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Shemale


    ancapallliath wrote: »
    Is he continuing to do a job he can't do properly because of being overweight?

    Yes. What is the difference between Joey saying he can do a weight for a ride and the horse getting beaten by a margin that meant he would have won if he kept his word and you hiring a roofer who says he will seal the roof properly and when it rains you bedroom is flooded.

    Both are being paid to do a job to the best of their ability but there is no way you would call the roofer an arsehole because its the exact same thing.
    ancapallliath wrote: »
    Arsehole though is harsh and uncalled for and indeed absurd.

    Word of the day: absurd.

    I didnt call him an arsehole


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    #138
    ancapallliath
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭ancapallliath


    the groutch wrote: »
    beaten a neck on Tapestry in the Irish Oaks doing a pound and a half overweight.

    Thanks the grouch

    Had a look and wasn't overweight in the oaks. Beaten 1/4 length after saddle slipped

    However, beaten 3/4 length in the moyglare carrying 1lb overweight.
    By my own ratings, over 7f, I use 2.5lbs per length. 1.24lbs would equate to 1/2 length

    If he got clear passage he would have been closer, but it is still not clear that being overweight cost him the race.

    How much of a difference does it make in black type races compared to handicaps then?
    Generally they carry the same weight while OR's are completely different.


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    #139
    convert
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭convert


    OK, I think this thread has run its course and has now gone waaaayyy off topic, so I'm going to close it. Feel free to continue the JOB discussion in another thread.

    /Thread closed.


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