E-evo

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

So, after being kindly advised by the EV gurus I have taken the next step. Requested the night meter install to take place ASAP. And funny enough, ESB organised it for tomorrow morning. Yes, shocking speed of service. Will update tomorrow.

Will you really benefit from it ? you charge at work and that gets you there and back ?

Great to finally get the home charge point installed though will be handy when you need it.

peposhi

Deleted User wrote: »

Will you really benefit from it ? you charge at work and that gets you there and back ?

Great to finally get the home charge point installed though will be handy when you need it.

Out of 18000kw used over the past 5 years 5000kw were used during the night. And that's because we did not care when and what for we were using the leccy. Now all washing, dishwasher, thimble drier + car charging would be moved to the night rate hours, so I guess the night rate usage will grow up from 30 to 55-60% of the total usage.
Looking at it this way, yes I do think it would benefit us.
I will still charge at work when needed, but will not depend on it or the town SCPs.

It is a relieve to have the HCP done. It took 4 months of phone calls, reminders, emails, meetings to do so. I was advised to either use clear lacquer or silicon spray to keep it from getting rusty. They where prone to get rusty over the time.

I wonder why the installer refused to fit it 5 metres away from the current position, rather than fitting it by the outside meter. It says in the manual - 10 metres is the max distance from the unit to the power supply... Can I not get an electrician to move it further?!?

The charge point should be installed where you want it not where is convenient for the electrician once it's within the said distance. disgrace if it's the same person who installed mine I should have got him back, he just threw the cable over the shed instead of tacking the cable around. But my mother was there for the install and without saying too much, she got the impression he would't be happy coming back !

peposhi

It looks like Aviva are again trying their luck.

After upping the insurance on the ice from €280 to €297 (which at first I thought did not even worth spending the hour on the phone discussing the price) we got the Leaf renewal quote.

€354 (€417!!! over 10 months) compared to €240 for the year gone...

Shocking!!!


We've got 6+ years non claim bonus, no penalty points, we are NOT any getting younger, over 10 years with the same insurer, house, health, another car + one policy abroad insured in Aviva and every year I have to call them and spend time disputing the quote prices.
It is ridiculous they have given us €40 discount since we've moved the insurance from 1.9 TDI to 0.0 EV bringing it down to €240 and now they ask for €354!?!
There will be a murder on the phone today and not for €100 extra premium but for the complete nonsense pricing structure they have.
This will be n-th year in a row to call and refuse to pay more than the previous year, argue and get a decent deal... Why do they have to do that. Miss my voice or what?

This is happening across the board, and there is a huge increase in whiplash claims over the last few years , we're heading back to the bad o'l days and the Government need to step in.

The insurance companies have been making losses for years due to providing insurance too cheap due to competition, there was an article in the Independent a few months back, so over the next 5 years there will be substantial rises in insurance premiums for everyone, young and old no matter how many no claims you have.

I had a tip in the Leaf a few months ago, a low speed impact about 20 Kph maybe a little less and the cow has put in a claim of whiplash and probably the 2 of them will claim. This is disgusting but everyone's doing it. And everyone that does it will also have to pay higher insurance premiums. Despite me having a video of them walking around with no signs of any discomfort it doesn't matter because my insurance will just pay out what ever their insurance agrees to because if it goes to court they might not get more but the legal fees will be tremendous and this is why they settle out of court, our legal system is disgusting and corrupt also with extortionate legal fees.

The payout one of them gets will probably be 3 times what it cost to get the cars repaired which was also extortionate because insurance companies were involved. Then your man will get a lump sum too costing probably 8-10 times the total repair costs.

My insurance was costing 450 on the Prius went up to 470 on the Leaf and will now probably hit 750 Euro's for the next 5 years as I'm deemed now a danger on the road in the eyes of the insurance companies. When I call up and say there has been a claim the insurance companies will be overjoyed licence to screw me for years.

I remember when I was younger and only Quinn Direct would insure me, I was paying 3,500 Euro's to drive to work and back, unbelievable but while it won't go back to this I can see insurance for me costing 1000 a year in the not too distant future.

peposhi

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This is happening across the board, and there is a huge increase in whiplash claims over the last few years , we're heading back to the bad o'l days and the Government need to step in.

The insurance companies have been making losses for years due to providing insurance too cheap due to competition, there was an article in the Independent a few months back, so over the next 5 years there will be substantial rises in insurance premiums for everyone, young and old no matter how many no claims you have.

I had a tip in the Leaf a few months ago, a low speed impact about 20 Kph maybe a little less and the cow has put in a claim of whiplash and probably the 2 of them will claim. This is disgusting but everyone's doing it. And everyone that does it will also have to pay higher insurance premiums. Despite me having a video of them walking around with no signs of any discomfort it doesn't matter because my insurance will just pay out what ever their insurance agrees to because if it goes to court they might not get more but the legal fees will be tremendous and this is why they settle out of court, our legal system is disgusting and corrupt also with extortionate legal fees.

The payout one of them gets will probably be 3 times what it cost to get the cars repaired which was also extortionate because insurance companies were involved. Then your man will get a lump sum too costing probably 8-10 times the total repair costs.

My insurance was costing 450 on the Prius went up to 470 on the Leaf and will now probably hit 750 Euro's for the next 5 years as I'm deemed now a danger on the road in the eyes of the insurance companies. When I call up and say there has been a claim the insurance companies will be overjoyed licence to screw me for years.

I remember when I was younger and only Quinn Direct would insure me, I was paying 3,500 Euro's to drive to work and back, unbelievable but while it won't go back to this I can see insurance for me costing 1000 a year in the not too distant future.

Absolutely shocking, mad lad... Nothing to add...

I got a quote from one direct - €315, fully comprehensive for my wife and myself...

Rang Aviva... They had a hard time trying to convince me they're right. Aviva have reduced the no penalty points discount to 27% from 33% previously. Also last year they have given me 20% renewal discount which they do not offer anymore for a second car in the family. Only multi car discount applies...
So the best offer they had was €334 and if I remove my NCD protection it will be €300. Not a good thing though.

It's 4 women and 123.ie both quoted me for more than €430.

Will try Allianz, Zurich and Axa to see who would be the best...

Heroditas

I've found Aviva to be criminally expensive for years now. They always come in a huge amount more expensive than the likes of 123, No Nonsense, AXA etc.
You won't be rewarded by them for keeping a load of policies with them for years. You get the best deals by continually switching.

What I failed to understand until it was pointed out to me and it all makes sense now is that your no claims discount protection only covers the no claims, but they can charge what premium they want because this isn't protected.

peposhi

Axa - €645
Allianz - €390
Zurich - €475
123 - €450
Its4women - €440
Aviva -€300
1 direct - 315

Some price differences

So Aviva it would be...

peposhi

Axa - €645
Allianz - €390
Zurich - €475
123 - €450
Its4women - €440
Aviva -€300
1 direct - 315

Some price differences

So Aviva it would be...

peposhi

cros13 wrote: »

Also make sure the charge timer is off. First connect everything up and then hit this button to override any timers:

Cros13 this is a very helpful tip

Very helpful tip, cros13.
I now have the car with the charging schedule timer on all day long and temporarily disable it when using a SCP. When back home, plug the cable and walk away. The car's ready in the morning.

peposhi

Did another long trip the other day with the family.
Home-Kilkenny-Waterford-Clonmel-Cahir-Clonmel-Home
3 fast charges all together and no issues made the trip pleasant and enjoyable.
Have to say that (long it may continue) unlike some other EV owners I must have been really lucky with the infrastructure so far. With the addition of the home charger and chargers at work the 9K driven so far have been a real pleasure. Eevo has become the main family car and whoever does a longer trip gets the car now. The ice is used only once/twice a week. We'd forget the last time we went to refuel it... I started calling it The Shopping Basket lol even though is not being used even for trips to the shop anymore... We would not part with it though as it is a very reliable car, more than 5 years in the family and it's good to have a back up.

peposhi

So...
First real problem.
After 13k enjoyable driving the ac fan stopped working. First I thought I just needed to restart the car, silly me thinking of it as if it's a computer hahaha. No luck. Called the garage, arranged a day to check the issue. I was told it was going to take an hour to check it so I went with my parents and the baby for a trip to Kilkenny. From one hour it turned out it was 4 hours wait. ..
I now know why no one is permitted in the garage while their car is being repaired.The lads in the garage were very kind to offer to drop us off at the McDonagh's place at lunch time so I had to get the baby seat from my car... The whole dash was out, all in bits and pieces all over the place... My heart skipped a beat... When I took a breath I told myself they knew what they're doing and to stop thinking about it as I had very same mess while tuning my old cars for years... I only said a prayer so they don't miss anything when they put it back together as these were the lads that took forever to get me the headlight bulb type a while back...
Anyway, after 4 hours I got the car back (OK, one of them was their break), I was told what I said to them before I handed the car - the motor fan needs a replacement. I was to be given a call the same day re part availability, waiting time and day to get it fixed... It's one week already that I have not gotten an answer. I rang them 3 times only to be told they're waiting for a reply to the email they sent re part request... Looks like the emails are been sent by pigeons these day... I will again today and might have to contact Nissan Dublin again to share my concerns over the speed and quality of Nissan service

A fan and the haven't one in stock ? that's bad form.

Deleted User

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A fan and the haven't one in stock ? that's bad form.

Probably just an indication that there is no demand for them in general. If they had one in stock would mean that they are considered a consumable.

Hardly any garage keeps a local stock of spare parts these days as logistics have moved on since 80's while the unit cost of components have skyrocketed. Even back then most of the parts in stock at dealer I used to work were a selection of 70's parts combined with service items for newer cars. The importers had a large warehouse in capital though but even that is probably gone now and everything get shipped from UK/Europe.

peposhi

samih wrote: »

Probably just an indication that there is no demand for them in general. If they had one in stock would mean that they are considered a consumable.

Hardly any garage keeps a local stock of spare parts these days as logistics have moved on since 80's while the unit cost of components have skyrocketed. Even back then most of the parts in stock at dealer I used to work were a selection of 70's parts combined with service items for newer cars. The importers had a large warehouse in capital though but even that is probably gone now and everything get shipped from UK/Europe.

my issue is not the waiting time and i do understand parts have to be got so the repair can happen. the problem is - communication. i had to ring again this Wed to actually find out the part has been delivered... again, no call or indication from the garage so i can organise my things before i get there. they know i live 80km away and the repair will take 3-4h (confirmed over the phone)... one phone call and clear info, that's all i asked for...

peposhi

All fixed now, fans is working alright.

peposhi

so cool to see an SVE Leaf all dressed up for newlywed couple at the Klanard hotel in Athy... someone definitely got electrified

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

so cool to see an SVE Leaf all dressed up for newlywed couple at the Klanard hotel in Athy... someone definitely got electrified

Excellent ! that's a first I'd say lol

BoatMad

I read your issues with the EVSE install ( charging point !

I presume there is no actual regulations , other then using a RECI. To put in the correct feed cable and RCBO.

I'm not going to bother involving the ESB

cros13

BoatMad wrote: »

I presume there is no actual regulations , other then using a RECI. To put in the correct feed cable and RCBO.

Most of the domestic units even have an RCBO in the chargepoint. For my apartment just grabbed the power at an isolator just after the meter and before the cable run to my apartment, didn't go back to the consumer unit at all.

BoatMad

cros13 wrote: »

Most of the domestic units even have an RCBO in the chargepoint. For my apartment just grabbed the power at an isolator just after the meter and before the cable run to my apartment, didn't go back to the consumer unit at all.

My consumer unit is very handy ,so I will but the RCBO there and run a 8m2 to an external IEC 60309 32 amp weather proof socket. I want my evse to be removable, ( as I'm building it ) I'll get a friendly RECI to certify the cable and IEC socket install etc

heliguyheliguy

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Solar PV and wind installations in Ireland is no longer feasible due to the ESB discontinuing the feed-in-tariff.

Even if they reintroduced it there would need to be a guarantee for a number of years for income to pay back. Or buy a tesla battery for this but that will add to the cost and you'd want more than 10 kwh to supply the leaf and house.

The ESB network could be a free gigantic battery but they won;t pay us more for leccy than they will commercially so the Government need to introduce an incentive both for installation and tariff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDddloHrYM

heliguyheliguy

heliguyheliguy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDddloHrYM

Can't watch this in work , what's it about ?

heliguyheliguy

The uk ecotricty guy talking about all the things I'd like to see happen here I just you'd be interested as the esb is such a disappointment to Ireland.

peposhi

BoatMad wrote: »

I read your issues with the EVSE install ( charging point !

I presume there is no actual regulations , other then using a RECI. To put in the correct feed cable and RCBO.

I'm not going to bother involving the ESB

If I had purchased or gotten the HCP elsewhere my neighbour could have installed it as he's RECI.
But with the HCP been provided by ESB there were no options...
If I want to relocate/reposition it at some stage I would have it done by the neighbour now...

heliguyheliguy

How long did it take for the install to start after you bought the car / ordered the hcu?

peposhi

heliguyheliguy wrote: »

How long did it take for the install to start after you bought the car / ordered the hcu?

It would have bęen a lot faster if i did not have problem the wiring in my house. Max 1 month i world say .

peposhi

Well ... my Leaf is not a virgin any more i guess. My wife managed to scratch the passenger door yesterday. Not really bad, but still does not feel the same :-)

peposhi

We have done nearly 16000km within 8 months and the 20k per year on the PCP contract is no longer something i will pay attention to. Also called the dealer and ensured i am free to go for a service either at the 30k mark or 1 year of ownership, whichever comes first,and not as advised on the windscreen at the 15k mark.

peposhi

It is funny how the Leaf became from "my" car to a full time family car lol

20000km PCP mark reached in under 10 months when normally I would barely reach 19000km for a full year... Have not checked the SOH and all so waiting for the yearly test to find out if we have been good towards E-evo.

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

We have done nearly 16000km within 8 months and the 20k per year on the PCP contract is no longer something i will pay attention to. Also called the dealer and ensured i am free to go for a service either at the 30k mark or 1 year of ownership, whichever comes first,and not as advised on the windscreen at the 15k mark.

Yeah I was not impressed with Barlo Kilkenny Nissan telling me that they recommend to come back every 15 K for a service and I told them that if Nissan themselves recommend once a year or 30 K then that's good enough for me.

TBH the only need to go back at all is for the warranty !

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

It is funny how the Leaf became from "my" car to a full time family car lol

20000km PCP mark reached in under 10 months when normally I would barely reach 19000km for a full year... Have not checked the SOH and all so waiting for the yearly test to find out if we have been good towards E-evo.

No need to worry about the battery mine is not showing any difference from new after 28,000 kms.

The Nissan battery report doesn't tell much.

They do make a record of the time spent at a high state of charge though, that is sitting at over 80% when not in use.

I have to restrain my usage and unfortunately most of my Leaf Kms were commuting.

peposhi

Deleted User wrote: »

No need to worry about the battery mine is not showing any difference from new after 28,000 kms.

The Nissan battery report doesn't tell much.

They do make a record of the time spent at a high state of charge though, that is sitting at over 80% when not in use.

I have to restrain my usage and unfortunately most of my Leaf Kms were commuting.

We may actually keep the car after the PCP is over. It's only 9k we have to pay afterwards. If I get a loan the repayments will go 30/40% lower to what I currently pay per month.
With my wife's career looking very promising she might get one long range EV when ready to do so...
So I won't worry whichever way the things go.

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

We may actually keep the car after the PCP is over. It's only 9k we have to pay afterwards. If I get a loan the repayments will go 30/40% lower to what I currently pay per month.
With my wife's career looking very promising she might get one long range EV when ready to do so...
So I won't worry whichever way the things go.

Sure , if you can keep it , then do. You know it's history and it's the only way to get value for money by keeping it.

The 2nd Gen leaf is due in about 2 years, probably announced next year. It will most likely have different battery capacity options at different costs. best to hold on until then.

Unfortunately the GM Bolt is not coming to Ireland and I got confirmation from Opel Ireland that it is unlikely to do so because it will not be rebranded as Opel and we have No Chevrolet dealers in Ireland any more. When it comes to the U.K you would be able to get one there but have to go back for any warranty repairs.

Bigus

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure , if you can keep it , then do. You know it's history and it's the only way to get value for money by keeping it.

The 2nd Gen leaf is due in about 2 years, probably announced next year. It will most likely have different battery capacity options at different costs. best to hold on until then.

Unfortunately the GM Bolt is not coming to Ireland and I got confirmation from Opel Ireland that it is unlikely to do so because it will not be rebranded as Opel and we have No Chevrolet dealers in Ireland any more. When it comes to the U.K you would be able to get one there but have to go back for any warranty repairs.

The UK is only up the road , ask any Maserati ,Bentley or Ferrari driver.

Bigus

Bigus wrote: »

The UK is only up the road , ask any Maserati ,Bentley or Ferrari driver.

True, but it would be a right pain in the ass having to bring it back to the North for it's yearly inspection. At least the 200 mile range would make it much less of a pain in the ass to do the actual trip !

peposhi

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K9o1CaekxUQ&feature=youtu.be

Telsa X... Wow... Just wow... Such a beautiful car!

peposhi

Rang Barlo Kilkenny to see what is going to cost the yearly "service". They said between €79 and €99. I guess the higher price includes a pollen filter. Still not sure if I am really to go or to do it as per book at the 30k mark. Just passed 23 000 and absolutely enjoy the car. Got so used to the pre-heating in cold days... Love it.

I spoke to Paul Flynn re 30kw battery + 6.6kw charger swap. The best he could do was €389 on pcp + €9380 fgmv at the end of the third year. I could have gone for it had it been a different time for the family. But with my wife opening her own Play Therapy Centre with lots of funds gone in it and the rest of the payments currently covered mainly by myself it would put too much pressure on the family. Paul will lend me the car though for 2 days so I can get the feel of it.

Rafal

Enjoy the test drive, Peposhi. But don't sweat the upgrade if finances are not supportive at this moment in time. Perhaps save up for two years for the 60 kWh version, which is clearly on the horizon.

peposhi

Trial agreed. Will have an SV 30kw Leaf with a cold pack (only 3.3kw charger but will survive that one ��) for 5 days coming St. Patrick's day. Really curious what the difference would be.

air

Where are they planning on putting the batteries for the 60kWh version?
Surely something has to give in terms of much higher weight, reduced load passenger space etc.

cros13

air wrote: »

Where are they planning on putting the batteries for the 60kWh version?
Surely something has to give in terms of much higher weight, reduced load passenger space etc.

Most of the increase is higher capacity within the existing battery size/weight. The 60kWh pack they've been showing at trade shows is only about 10-15% physically bigger than the 24/30kWh pack. With some packaging changes and chemistry tweaks they may be able to go to 100kWh in a similar size pack for Gen3 in five/six years.

air

That's incredible if true, there has been very little improvement in the mass energy density (kWh per kg) of lithium batteries in the past 10-15 years.
I'll believe it when I see it!

peposhi

air wrote: »

That's incredible if true, there has been very little improvement in the mass energy density (kWh per kg) of lithium batteries in the past 10-15 years.
I'll believe it when I see it!

A very plain comparison to make: how long did it take to the ICE manufacturers to get the best out of the petrol/diesel... 130 years later still not perfect. The BEVs development is much faster. And bare in mind vast majority the ICE makers are actually not keen to develop the BEVs - very little to fix/service in you car once produced... so no more FixOrRepairDaily or FixItAgainTomorrow around to sell parts/filters/oil/fuel too...

cros13

air wrote: »

That's incredible if true, there has been very little improvement in the mass energy density (kWh per kg) of lithium batteries in the past 10-15 years.
I'll believe it when I see it!

There was a lot of ground to make up between what Tesla could do with NCA chemistry in 2010-2012 (230Wh/kg) and what Nissan did with the original Nissan Leaf LMO pack (140Wh/kg). Plus some small improvements in the intermediate years, plus enhancements in packaging.

air

60kWh in the same weight as 24kWh is a 250% increase in capacity though, can't see it myself. I've yet to see any LiPos better than around 240Wh/kg. I think a lot of the advantage the Tesla had vs the Nissan packs was in packaging rather than the chemistry.

The pictures Nissan showed of the 60 Kwh pack made the pack look higher but roughly the same width and length so don't know how their going to work that one out if it's taller.

From that pic it looks like the battery will once again take up cabin space, though it could be completely different in 2 years. But if they can get 60 Kwh from that then that's some achievement !

peposhi

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/06/how-tesla-will-change-your-life.html


absolutely brilliant article!

peposhi

Being a two car family, whoever does a longer journey on the day takes the Leaf. I drove the ice for an hour yesterday, later on got a lift in my colleague's diesel A6 and happened to realise I am starting to slowly but surely dislike the ice cars... It is a strange feeling to have...