Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

Star Lord

Think of all the developers that dropped out of Wii U development, simply because it was too much work to port their games to it, for Little return. If they can port the games with little effort, then there's very little extra cost involved. And if the console has enough unique features, it'll draw people in more than the Wii U did for sure. But I think they should make these USPs smallish, so people don't dismiss them as too quirky too.

iamtony

Its a tough one to call but I think if they want to sell any substantial amount of third party games like cod and FIFA they need this 'Hardcore' crowd to buy the machine first and unless it's better on a spec sheet why would they bother?

The typical Nintendo fan has little interest in these games as the sales of cod at the start of the Wii u will show, I know I didn't buy it anyway.

Well all I know is I won't be very happy if it doesn't come out with a bit more power than the others, not because I personally care about the graphics but because it will loose the interest of the larger gaming community very quickly and probably flop, that is if its true they are building a generic machine similar to the others.

Myrddin

iamtony wrote: »

Its a tough one to call but I think if they want to sell any substantial amount of third party games like cod and FIFA they need this 'Hardcore' crowd to buy the machine first and unless it's better on a spec sheet why would they bother?

Again though, unless CoD & FIFA are offering a better experience on the NX, compared to the rest, then people won't bother...regardless of what spec sheets say. Developers want ease of portability, & they want parity...this effectively ends the 'spec war'

iamtony

Myrddin wrote: »

Again though, unless CoD & FIFA are offering a better experience on the NX, compared to the rest, then people won't bother...regardless of what spec sheets say. Developers want ease of portability, & they want parity...this effectively ends the 'spec war'

Yes I understand where your coming from but regardless of parity on 3rd party games if they could make the first party stuff look better that's a win for starters.
I can hear them comparing specs already! it is a big factor and if the media start talking negatively about how even though its a newer machine its still underpowered compared to a ps4 it will turn droves of 'hardcore' gamers away before its even released.

readyletsgo

OK, so when does everyone think we will first hear and/or see what the NX actually is?

It's gonna happen before e3 for sure, I think there will be a mini direct showing the basics of what the system is, then at e3 it will be a blow out of all the launch games for November when I think it will be released. I also think it's going to be the home console NX first, not many WiiU customers to piss off tbh.

Then next March the handheld NX that links with the home console will be released. I have a feeling that more work will be needed to be put in to get both systems to work in one economic system if the NintendOS is to be believed, also, they did gave that pic were all systems work be working together along with PC tablets phones etcetera. So it's gonna be a big job to get it running smoothly on everything at launch.

As I said before, Nintendo have some mountain to climb now, hopefully they get it right this time for the mass market. A new handheld could be very very niche both in the East and west for Nintendo as phones and tablets have completely taken over, and most kids (including my niece's and newphews) just don't care about the 3ds, all about the phones.

What you guys think?

MilesMorales1

Well the new fiscal year starts in April (I think) so we won't hear anything till after that.

Myrddin

iamtony wrote: »

Yes I understand where your coming from but regardless of parity on 3rd party games if they could make the first party stuff look better that's a win for starters.

Indeed, but as we've seen for years, Ninty first party content isn't really a 'hardcore audience winner'. I'd consider myself a big fan of their first party content, but Mario, Zelda, Starfox et al simply don't appeal much to the CoD, FIFA, Battlefield audience. Hard to see where they'll go with it, but it's certainly interesting I'm quietly confident about the NX actually.

CiDeRmAn

Myrddin wrote: »

Is that not a bit contradictory Cidey? You're saying parity between platforms can take a jump, but then saying it's better to have a shared baseline between platforms so they can be easily ported?

For me, parity can indeed take a hike. Why should the more powerful platform receive watered down product, just so the weaker platforms can save face? It seems unfair. I get that the PC doesn't really represent great value in terms of developing for, not in comparison to the consoles anyway, so I guess that's the real reason. It probably boils down to piracy on the pc, why bother pumping resources into a game that's gonna be minced by pirates...when you can just develop for consoles, rake in the cash, & give the PC a ported version of the console game.

I mean to say, parity with the PC can take a hike.
Console platforms seem to have the balance between power, components and asset development time perfected, porting games between them needs to make the developer money, and improve the software library of the host machines, making them more attractive to the consumer.
I know we always said that the WiiU never needed anything other than the startlingly good 1st party output it was host to, but without the hook of the latest Fifa, Farcry or NFS single console owners are simply going to look elsewhere, and they did.
We have always seen ported titles, from the earliest days of the Spectrum and Amstrad often getting the exact same game with barely a hint of the improvements available to the latter being used as it didn't make a return for the dev, to the same on the PS2/Xbox and GC, ports, ports everywhere.
The PS3 and 360 were home to the most generic ports anywhere, outside of exclusives there was bugger all to choose, beyond the better online experience on the 360, and the PS4 and XB1 is, by and large, the same, hosting identical games with minimal changes.
And so it will be with the NX, and it's a good thing!
I'm getting it for the exclusives, but it will make the console a viable only machine for those who just want to play the latest EA, Activision and Ubi games and don't want to own more than one machine... such people do exist, and in great numbers!

druss

As I said before, Nintendo have some mountain to climb now, hopefully they get it right this time for the mass market. A new handheld could be very very niche both in the East and west for Nintendo as phones and tablets have completely taken over, and most kids (including my niece's and newphews) just don't care about the 3ds, all about the phones.

On the quoted para, I'm really wondering whether Nintendo is actually going to delve into a designated handheld with the NX.


Xbox, obviously, gears connectivity towards Microsoft hierarchy stuff. So streaming to PC and Windows tablets/phones is in. Android and apple be gone.

Sony, equally optimised for Sony gear, notably the Vita.

It sounds to me that the NX is leaning more towards optimising interconnectivity of all tablets and phones (and 3ds). And if it is more open architecture, particularly on the Android front, then I think the New 3DS may have a longer life span.

Andrew76

iamtony wrote: »

Yes I understand where your coming from but regardless of parity on 3rd party games if they could make the first party stuff look better that's a win for starters.
I can hear them comparing specs already! it is a big factor and if the media start talking negatively about how even though its a newer machine its still underpowered compared to a ps4 it will turn droves of 'hardcore' gamers away before its even released.

I agree, specs are important even from a public perception point of view. If the NX is only specced the same as an Xbox One/PS4 then why would any non-Nintendo fan choose it over them? Or if you already own an Xbox or PS4 then stick with them and see what their next offerings will be like. Especially considering how established the online infrastructures are with MS and Sony, Nintendo have a lot to catch up on on that front.

So give us a decent machine that gives some edge over the current crop I say (especially if it turns out expensive).

sligeach

Massive rumour incoming.

RUMOUR: NINTENDO FUNDING BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL SEQUEL

SIMILAR SITUATION TO BAYONETTA 2

Beyond Good and Evil 2 is one of those games that has been rumored to exist for years while still staying weirdly in limbo every time it is discussed. Ubisoft insists the project has not been canned, and brings it up multiple times each year, but nothing concrete seems to surface.

According to a rumor received by Destructoid this week, the game may actually come to fruition in the not-too-distant future. If the information is to be believed, Nintendo has pulled a Bayonetta 2, securing the Beyond Good and Evil sequel as an NX exclusive for 2017.

So, what's our source here? Our initial source of the rumor comes from Alexander Maier, the Dual Pixels writer who published Geno's recent NX hardware rumors last weekend. Geno, who has successfully leaked new Pokémon forms and Microsoft's IllumiRoom project, provided Maier with a lengthy document, which was passed on to Destructoid to assess for veracity.

We also reached out to a second source, who independently gave a number of the same bullet points regarding the future of Beyond Good and Evil. The number of points of crossover between these two sources suggests that this rumor, while not confirmed by Nintendo, may hold water.

According to the supposed leak, the game is currently assigned the working title Beyond Good and Evil: The Prejudices of Philosophers. This is apparently a reference to a specific chapter in the philosophical text Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche, which details how morality can be altered by authority, and the ways black-and-white morality overlooks the larger complexity of the nature of morals.

Basically, it's the chapter about looking beyond the concepts of good and evil.

In much the same fashion as Bayonetta 2, Nintendo is reportedly hoping to win audience goodwill by putting money into the development of the long-in-limbo sequel, in exchange for it being an exclusive to the NX.

Bearing in mind that Beyond Good and Evil was a critical success but a commercial failure, it seems like the title would be in a perfect position for this kind of move from Nintendo.

The rumor might also partially explain why in Tim Schafer and Michel Ancel's recent Devs Play for Beyond Good and Evil, Shigeru Miyamoto kept getting name-dropped (skip to 48 minutes) in Ancel's discussion of the sequel. The puzzle pieces have begun to align.

http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-nintendo-funding-beyond-good-and-evil-sequel-346059.phtml

This would be beyond awesome if true. Fingers crossed for some good news.

Star Lord

I hope beyond hope that the rumor is true, loved Beyond Good and Evil!

readyletsgo

Star Lord wrote: »

I hope beyond hope that the rumor is true, loved Beyond Good and Evil!

Still need to play the first one. Is it any good? I heard it has a touch of Zelda off it, that true?

Nollog

readyletsgo wrote: »

OK, so when does everyone think we will first hear and/or see what the NX actually is?

It's gonna happen before e3 for sure, I think there will be a mini direct showing the basics of what the system is, then at e3 it will be a blow out of all the launch games for November when I think it will be released. I also think it's going to be the home console NX first, not many WiiU customers to piss off tbh.

Then next March the handheld NX that links with the home console will be released. I have a feeling that more work will be needed to be put in to get both systems to work in one economic system if the NintendOS is to be believed, also, they did gave that pic were all systems work be working together along with PC tablets phones etcetera. So it's gonna be a big job to get it running smoothly on everything at launch.

As I said before, Nintendo have some mountain to climb now, hopefully they get it right this time for the mass market. A new handheld could be very very niche both in the East and west for Nintendo as phones and tablets have completely taken over, and most kids (including my niece's and newphews) just don't care about the 3ds, all about the phones.

What you guys think?

I think March 31st will have the first details.
The new CEO will probably tell us which console it's "successing" and that it'll be at e3.
He might tell us if it's out this year or not then and there, but probably not.

E3 will have a lot of NX consoles. Some people will cry when they learn that's what Foxconn made so many for, and the console isn't out until 2017.

Star Lord wrote: »

Multiple sites reporting lots of new NX rumours... Primarily:

Wireless HDMI dongle
Power around the same as an Xbox One
Haptic feedback on the sticks (example given its that they'd push back if your character runs into a wall)
supposedly extremely to port to, almost coy and paste type levels of ease
New 'NintendOS' operating system has very modern features
Bluetooth connectivity that works with 'everything', so you *could* have text messages from your phone etc indicated on screen (wouldn't fancy that myself, but it's a nice idea)

Source: http://dualpixels.com/2016/02/27/rumor-new-information-on-next-gen-nintendo-nx-console/

Of course these are rumours, so take what you will from them, but seems to be coming from a pretty accurate source of previous leaks, including the recent Pokemon one pokemon X/Y one

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=197068172&postcount=1090

MilesMorales1

Good ole neogaf :pac:

I think it'll be a normal 'console' controller etc. Dunno what the gimmick is mind, but they seem pretty determined to keep it secret, given the amount of leaks of Wii U and 3DS stuff we've got recently.

Star Lord

readyletsgo wrote: »

Still need to play the first one. Is it any good? I heard it has a touch of Zelda off it, that true?

Yeah, I thought it was excellent. There's a hint of Zelda alright, but it's entirely it's own beast I think, with some great characters. Jade was awesome.

CastorTroy

Already seeing a Bayonetta 2 type reaction to the rumour.

Have the first on PS3 but still have to play. It's tank controls like American McGee's Alice, isn't it?

CiDeRmAn

I played and finished it on release, it's a fantastic game, full of every kind of action, from vehicle racing to stealth to all out shooting, as well as some detective work.
If they can pop the HD version of the original on the disk it'd be beyond perfect.

CiDeRmAn

CastorTroy wrote: »

Already seeing a Bayonetta 2 type reaction to the rumour.

Have the first on PS3 but still have to play. It's tank controls like American McGee's Alice, isn't it?

I don't think it was tank controls, I played it on the Gamecube myself, a while ago though!

CastorTroy

Aren't tank controls the ones that basically act like WASD on PC. So one stick controls forward, back and strafe while the other controls the way you're facing?

CiDeRmAn

CastorTroy wrote: »

Aren't tank controls the ones that basically act like WASD on PC. So one stick controls forward, back and strafe while the other controls the way you're facing?

It means the character moves like they did in the original Resident Evil, turn on the spot then push forward or walk backwards. The remake of Resi Evil gave you the choice between it and a more modern control system.

sligeach

Rumor: NX to make Foxconn’s operations hot in second half of the year

Some outlets have been reporting on Foxconn Technology’s Q1 earnings, such as Yahoo and MoneyDJ. It was already known that Foxconn is involved with NX, but a key takeaway from recent articles is that the system will be making the company’s operations “hot” in the second half of 2016. In other words, it sounds like Foxconn’s involvement with NX will really be picking up after June.

There is a language barrier since the original articles are in Chinese, unfortunately. Because of that, we’re marking this post as a rumor – even with what we’ve heard before pointing to a possible NX release this year.

http://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-nx-to-make-foxconns-operations-hot-in-second-half-of-the-year/

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1193847

MilesMorales1

I really think we'll get an NX reveal in April/May odd, then a big blowout at E3, release in Q4. That direct yesterday was a pretty good indication.

CiDeRmAn

I'm hoping it features something involving complimentary gluten free cheese cake for early adopters......

OwaynOTT

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm hoping it features something involving complimentary gluten free cheese cake for early adopters......

Doomed for a flop then. It's needs to have cheesecake parity! All the other cheesecakes have gluten.

CiDeRmAn

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Doomed for a flop then. It's needs to have cheesecake parity! All the other cheesecakes have gluten.

Be better, embrace the Nintendo difference!
A no gluten platform is bound to be a hit!
If they could make it sugar free and non fat it would also hit my other dietary requirements.
Of course, then it would likely be little more than a glass of water

Nollog

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm hoping it features something involving complimentary gluten free cheese cake for early adopters......

And the NX ambassador program was born.

OwaynOTT

Nintendo, as oblivious to the wants of the people as Marie Antoinette.

CiDeRmAn

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Nintendo, as oblivious to the wants of the people as Marie Antoinette.

Merde

CiDeRmAn

Must be a sure thing at this point that any big IP releases on the WiiU are going to be released in some way for the NX, either as a 360/XB1 style backwards compatibility or a straight rerelease.
Particularly if they are expecting multiples of the WiiU install base to be sold, we'll see GotY edition of MK8, Splatoom and SSB for sure, no?