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    #62
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    UCDVet wrote: »
    In theory - I'm 100% pro hookers. It's a service, they sell it. Nothing wrong with it, no different than hiring a masseuse to rub your back. Consenting adults should be free to decide what they do with their money and who they have sex with. And, truth be told, there are a lot of 'non-hookers' who *WILL* sleep with someone in exchange for money; just without labelling it as such. I dated a girl for a while that was like that...I'd buy her stuff, and we'd sleep together. No, no, we never discussed the price or anything, it's just if I wasn't buying her something, she wasn't happy. And when I did show up with flowers, well, she was happy. And if I got her jewelry, I was sure to be getting something in return.


    I also think it's crazy to think that one person is going to fulfill all of your sexual desires. I love my wife for a lot of reasons, and sex isn't the most important one, not by a long shot. Plus, preferences change, and so do appearances.


    So yeah, in theory, I think it's great. And people who hire them, well, good for them. You'd have more sex (and not just the typical, we got drunk and had sex in the dark sex - but better more interesting sex) with far more people, who are far more attractive, by hiring hookers than by dating - and you'd spend less doing it.


    But in practice - I'd never do it. I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite.

    this is it. a real relationship will involve trade. the guy gives the girl something and vice versa. its just the trade is not hard cash. it could be another form of money (presents like you say) it could be emotional or security, but there is a trade.


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    #63
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    daveyeh wrote: »
    murders?

    sorry my bad, murderers


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    #64
    dark crystal
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    Bacik and her allies the nuns are the driving force behind changes in the law that would see men who pay for sex as criminals

    if two people are having consensual sex its madness to think of one of them as a criminal just because he paid in cash

    but thats modern feminism, so much for equality

    Would women who hire male prostitutes also be seen as criminals under the same law?


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    #65
    BD45
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    Let him at it if that's what he wants. I've already decided that if I end up an old man with no chance of getting a woman I'll start banging prostitutes.


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    #66
    BrowmThomas
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    yumyum10 wrote: »
    Friend hires one a week. Says its cheaper than a girlfriend and isn't tied down. What's your views on people who hire them?

    He PAYS as it's CHEAPER than a girlfriend?? Makes no sense to me.

    Tell him to keep paying, he is doing us girls a favour by not wanting a relationship.


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    #67
    ancapailldorcha
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Would women who hire male prostitutes also be seen as criminals under the same law?

    I don't think such women number significantly high enough to warrant consideration.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #68
    BD45
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Would women who hire male prostitutes also be seen as criminals under the same law?

    No. Women can only ever be victims. Many feminists now think women shouldn't go to prison if they commit a crime.


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    #69
    dark crystal
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I don't think such women number significantly high enough to warrant consideration.

    But that poster was citing the evils of feminism for being to blame for the lack of equality by demonising men who hire prostitutes, so I'm curious if the same proposal would also criminalise women who do the same thing.


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    nokia69
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Would women who hire male prostitutes also be seen as criminals under the same law?

    I think it would

    but how many women have ever hired a male or female prostitute

    we all know the new law is designed to catch men, Baciks agenda is very clear


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    #71
    daveyeh
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    Roquentin wrote: »
    sorry my bad, murderers

    murderers? how?


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    #72
    dark crystal
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    I think it would

    but how many women have ever hired a male or female prostitute

    we all know the new law is designed to catch men, Baciks agenda is very clear

    It really doesn't matter how many women hire prostitutes, though. If this proposal criminalises both men and women for doing the same thing, then that's equality isn't it?


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    #73
    nokia69
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter how many women hire prostitutes, though. If this proposal criminalises both men and women for doing the same thing, then that's equality isn't it?

    as a feminist sees it


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    #74
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    daveyeh wrote: »
    murderers? how?

    rd laing said it. he didnt mean literally. he meant that we all dark thoughts and the only thing that separates us is choice. we choose to be moral not that we are born moral


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    #75
    dark crystal
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    BD45 wrote: »
    No. Women can only ever be victims. Many feminists now think women shouldn't go to prison if they commit a crime.

    But this thread has done a good job of painting men as victims of their frigid wives, so that point doesn't really stand.


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    #76
    eviltwin
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    BD45 wrote: »
    No. Women can only ever be victims. Many feminists now think women shouldn't go to prison if they commit a crime.

    Yes they would. The law doesn't discriminate. The difference is how many women are going to look for a prostitute on the street? How many men work on the streets? Most will find an escort online and that is not covered under the law.


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    #77
    ancapailldorcha
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    But that poster was citing the evils of feminism for being to blame for the lack of equality by demonising men who hire prostitutes, so I'm curious if the same proposal would also criminalise women who do the same thing.

    I misread your post in that case. I don't see what feminism has to do with it.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    markc2951
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    little do people know ireland has a serious demand for prostitutes and there in every town in ireland.300 in dublin alone at anytime


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    ancapailldorcha
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    markc2951 wrote: »
    little do people know ireland has a serious demand for prostitutes and there in every town in ireland.300 in dublin alone at anytime

    Source?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #80
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Source?

    escort ireland. the demand is there to see


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    #81
    ancapailldorcha
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    Roquentin wrote: »
    escort ireland. the demand is there to see

    Care to provide a link?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #82
    nokia69
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    But this thread has done a good job of painting men as victims of their frigid wives, so that point doesn't really stand.

    I don't know if I would call him a victim but its clear that men have a higher sex drive than women

    not many people in their 30s would be happy being told they won't be having sex again

    he had a problem and found the best solution he could, I don't think what he does is criminal nor do I think he is a sex offender


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    #83
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Care to provide a link?

    nice try.:)

    use google


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    #84
    ancapailldorcha
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    Roquentin wrote: »
    nice try.:)

    use google

    Nice try? What? Whoever makes the claim should back it up. I can't believe that I have to explain this.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #85
    dark crystal
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    I don't know if I would call him a victim but its clear that men have a higher sex drive than women

    not many people in their 30s would be happy being told they won't be having sex again

    he had a problem and found the best solution he could, I don't think what he does is criminal nor do I think he is a sex offender

    I don't believe he should be labled a sex offender either, not unless he pays for sex with a trafficked prostitute. What safeguards would you put in place to make sure this wouldn't happen?

    Also, not to burst your bubble or anything, but plenty of women have high sex drives. We don't all shrivel up into sexless shrews as soon as we put a ring on our finger and have children. Plenty of frustrated wives out there too!


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    #86
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Nice try? What? Whoever makes the claim should back it up. I can't believe that I have to explain this.

    type it into google. its that simple to see for yourself. jesus:rolleyes:


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    #87
    The Corinthian
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    ALiasEX wrote: »
    I mean is it hard to "pull" someone for a ons unless you are intoxicated in a night club/bar? (in Ireland)
    Quite hard if you've learned only to be able to talk to women with a bit of 'Dutch courage' in the first place. Easier if you grew up somewhere where binge drinking and gender segregation in schools was not really practiced.
    dark crystal wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter how many women hire prostitutes, though. If this proposal criminalises both men and women for doing the same thing, then that's equality isn't it?
    Not really. If you only target areas where the percentages favour one gender over another, then it's still sexism. For example, for all the proposals of gender quotas in politics and business, how many proposals have you heard of gender quotas in child custody? If it's equality, it's very selective equality.
    dark crystal wrote: »
    But this thread has done a good job of painting men as victims of their frigid wives, so that point doesn't really stand.
    Men can be victims? No, gods forbid...


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    #88
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I don't believe he should be labled a sex offender either, not unless he pays for sex with a trafficked prostitute. What safeguards would you put in place to make sure this wouldn't happen?

    Also, not to burst your bubble or anything, but plenty of women have high sex drives. We don't all shrivel up into sexless shrews as soon as we put a ring on our finger and have children. Plenty of frustrated wives out there too!

    you're not bursting any bubbles, on average men have a higher sex drive than women

    if you want to stop sex trafficking then the best thing to do is enforce the laws in place today

    there have been plenty of raids brothel raids by the guards over the years and they found few or any trafficked women

    if a job pays €200 an hour then you don't need to kidnap people and force them to do it against their will


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    Yurt2
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    Bacik and her allies the nuns are the driving force behind changes in the law that would see men who pay for sex as criminals

    if two people are having consensual sex its madness to think of one of them as a criminal just because he paid in cash

    but thats modern feminism, so much for equality

    Bacik is a nutter, I file her in my brain in in the same place Catholic conservative hillpeople and Islamic fundamentalists. A slave to her dogma and a demagogue. She's been roundly rejected by the electorate a number of times yet somehow she worms her way back into public life, mystifying.


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    #90
    ancapailldorcha
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    Roquentin wrote: »
    type it into google. its that simple to see for yourself. jesus:rolleyes:

    Why should I have to back up someone else's claim?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #91
    Lucena
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Lucena


    I wish this feminist-bashing would stop.

    Do you believe women should have the same rights as men regarding personal freedom, access to healthcare, jobs and other services? That they should have the right to go anywhere that men can (barring obvious exceptions such as toilet and dressing room areas)? Then you are a feminist. And I’m pretty sure 90% of people on here are feminists, but just wouldn’t want the label.

    Claiming that extreme views held at one end of the spectrum represents all feminists and feminism makes about as much sense as saying that all Muslims are terrorists.


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