The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

adrian522

My argument is just because it is legal doesn't make it ok to take before you go to work, showing up to training with a hangover all the time would also lead to trouble.

Nobody is saying that it improves performance, quite the opposite in fact. It's more about the lack of professionalism and accountability. I don't see how you can perform anywhere near your best if you are smoking weed (or out drinking) all the time.

Also players can do what they like in the offseason, but during the season I don't think they should be doing this stuff.

The 2 below were for alcohol abuse (which falls under the same substance abuse policy from what I can work out).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468011/article/browns-josh-gordon-suspended-at-least-1-year-by-nfl
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14155967/nfl-suspends-aldon-smith-oakland-raiders-year-august-incident

Hazys

Hazys wrote: »

Wow, thats a big punishment. The Chiefs were also fined $250,000. Coach Andy Reid was fined $75,000, and general manager John Dorsey was fined $25,000.

All they did was contact Maclin directly not his agent during the negotiating window and I presume Andy Reid had a personal relationship with him already from his time at Philly.

The Jets were only fined $100,000 last year for their tampering.

NFL random punishment generator strikes again.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-union-closer-to-deal-stripping-roger-goodell-of-discipline-power-1458001524

Looks like Goodell is going to be stripped of his disciplinary power...about fcuking time*!!

Has anybody fcuked up more in one aspect in their job than Goodell with discipline? He has lied, gave excess punishments, inconsistent punishments, having his actions blow an issue out of proportion, changed his discipline based on public opinion, in nearly all his punishments.

I don't think anybody could argue that any of the following issues have been handled well by Goodell: Ray Rice, BountyGate, DeflateGate, Spygate, Adrian Peterson, BullyGate, Chiefs TamperGate, etc. All have been grossly mismanaged...for a guy earning $40m a year, its been a joke.



*it won't go into effect till 2017 tho

Hazys

adrian522 wrote: »

My argument is just because it is legal doesn't make it ok to take before you go to work, showing up to training with a hangover all the time would also lead to trouble.

I don't smoke weed but so i don't really know, but I didn't think you could be hungover from weed?

Nobody is saying that it improves performance, quite the opposite in fact. It's more about the lack of professionalism and accountability. I don't see how you can perform anywhere near your best if you are smoking weed (or out drinking) all the time.

Professional, is there evidence that he is high at work? I agree where its unprofessional is that he kept failing the tests as he knows the rules no matter how draconian they are but i don't think there is any evidence to say he was turning up to work high

Also players can do what they like in the offseason, but during the season I don't think they should be doing this stuff.

Why? Is there any proof it affects their play for better or worse? If anything smoking weed would help players live with the constant pain they suffer with during the season. Apparently a lot of players use it for that.

The 2 below were for alcohol abuse (which falls under the same substance abuse policy from what I can work out).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468011/article/browns-josh-gordon-suspended-at-least-1-year-by-nfl
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14155967/nfl-suspends-aldon-smith-oakland-raiders-year-august-incident

Fair enough...i thought Josh Gordon was caught for weed iniatlly then when on his 3rd strike where they are extremely strict they got him on alcohol. Aldon Smith i thought it was for his other offenses first and then they got him on alcohol.

.

Realt Dearg Sec

Hazys wrote: »

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-union-closer-to-deal-stripping-roger-goodell-of-discipline-power-1458001524

Looks like Goodell is going to be stripped of his disciplinary power...about fcuking time*!!

Has anybody fcuked up more in one aspect in their job than Goodell with discipline? He has lied, gave excess punishments, inconsistent punishments, having his actions blow an issue out of proportion, changed his discipline based on public opinion, in nearly all his punishments.

I don't think anybody could argue that any of the following issues have been handled well by Goodell: Ray Rice, BountyGate, DeflateGate, Spygate, Adrian Peterson, BullyGate, Chiefs TamperGate, etc. All have been grossly mismanaged...for a guy earning $40m a year, its been a joke.



*it won't go into effect till 2017 tho

Christy42

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

My point is that it is a ridiculous thing to be banned for and in time it will come off the banned list.

I am not arguing the stupidity of him being caught , he and the rest of the NFL know that weed is on the banned list and shouldn't be caught doing it but I do think it's a ridiculous thing to be banned for. Like I said this is just my own opinion but the NFL should be looking at it's policies if smoking a joint gets you more banned time than beating your wife.

Surely that is just an argument for increasing the punishment for domestic abuse? Just knock any violent crime up to a few seasons and I reckon it will cut most of it out (and kills your argument).

adrian522

Hazys wrote: »

.

Sorry, cant seem to quote your post.

I think you would get a hangover of sorts. So I've heard!

No evidence he was high at work but if he keeps failing tests he's gotta be high at some point.

They can get an exemption if it is about pain relief and is prescribed as opposed to just getting high.

Smoking weed regularly will play havoc with your cardiovascular system and will impact on fitness. There is no way you can be at your peak fitness if you are smoking weed in the evenings. Don't ask me to produce evidence, this is research based

You could be right on Gordon and Smith, they were both on stage 2 of the drug program which is essentially "zero tolerance".

My point is it is more about substance abuse that whether it is legal or illegal for the general population.

Hazys

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as I think weed is no more harmful than alcohol and we know players go out and get sh1tfaced during the season which isn't half as demonized as weed is.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

adrian522 wrote: »

Its not "smoking a joint" though is it? It's having a problem with abusing a drug. Repeatedly. The same goes for alcohol by the way. Players have been banned for abusing that too. He is in stage 3 of the drug program, which means it is not just a once off. He had a 4 game suspension last year.

Its the same in other sports, you cant go around smoking weed all the time and expect there to be no consequences. It would be the same if you are showing up to training or games hungover all the time, eventually you are going to run into problems.

I don't know the details of it in and out so cant say if he was or wasn't "abusing" said drug or if it was effecting his performances.

I think it's just better to say we disagree on this one, than continue to argue about it though to be honest.

For the record I also think Josh Gordon's ban was completely ridiculous.

Hazys

New England Patriots special teamer Nate Ebner is taking a leave of absence from the Pats to train with and try to make the US Olympic Rugby 7's team for Rio in August and join up with the Pats after the Olympics. He played rugby with Ohio state and was spotted my Mike Vrabel and in turn recommend to Bill Belichick. It'd be pretty cool if he makes the team.

Also, my good facebook friend and Buffalo Bills WR Marquise Goodwin is also been given the go ahead by Rex Ryan to try and make the US Long Jump team, he competed for them in London 2012.

Billy86

Hazys wrote: »

.

I wouldn't say a hangover, but if you get very high at night you can be groggy as f*** the next morning. For office jobs etc a very strong coffee or two (and probably a good 1-2 litres of water before lunch for good measure) will sort you out, but for an athlete it could have negative effects - slightly slower reaction speeds, dehydration, 'heavy legs', being slightly less aware (for reading defenses, etc). So not nauseating or anything, but it could definitely have detrimental effects to smoke the night before training, or really during the season at all. But during the offseason, it's a terrible reason to give a player such a long ban.

Source: my err, friend told me.

Hazys

Hazys wrote: »

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-union-closer-to-deal-stripping-roger-goodell-of-discipline-power-1458001524

Looks like Goodell is going to be stripped of his disciplinary power...about fcuking time*!!

Has anybody fcuked up more in one aspect in their job than Goodell with discipline? He has lied, gave excess punishments, inconsistent punishments, having his actions blow an issue out of proportion, changed his discipline based on public opinion, in nearly all his punishments.

I don't think anybody could argue that any of the following issues have been handled well by Goodell: Ray Rice, BountyGate, DeflateGate, Spygate, Adrian Peterson, BullyGate, Chiefs TamperGate, etc. All have been grossly mismanaged...for a guy earning $40m a year, its been a joke.



*it won't go into effect till 2017 tho

Has anyone ****ed up more? Yes goodell himself has ****ed up more with how he responded to cte

phatkev

Billy86 wrote: »

I wouldn't say a hangover, but if you get very high at night you can be groggy as f*** the next morning. For office jobs etc a very strong coffee or two (and probably a good 1-2 litres of water before lunch for good measure) will sort you out, but for an athlete it could have negative effects - slightly slower reaction speeds, dehydration, 'heavy legs', being slightly less aware (for reading defenses, etc). So not nauseating or anything, but it could definitely have detrimental effects to smoke the night before training, or really during the season at all. But during the offseason, it's a terrible reason to give a player such a long ban.

Source: my err, friend told me.

Ah the dreaded "dopeover"!!

Morrison J

nasty_crash wrote: »

Like seriously.... Brown, Bell, Bryant, Big Ben.... could have won them a superbowl....

Wouldn't sleep on the Ladarius Green signing. He'll breakout big time in that offense next year imo and soften the blow of losing Bryant big time.

OAOB

Morrison J wrote: »

Wouldn't sleep on the Ladarius Green signing. He'll breakout big time in that offense next year imo and soften the blow of losing Bryant big time.

People are talking about L. Green being this huge sleeper signing for the Steelers but he's shown no consistency in his 4 years in the league.
He was a low effort guy in SD and while full of potential he didn't show any promise of fulfilling it. Maybe he can finally put it together but i wouldn't bet on him being anything other than solid

dfx-

Morrison J wrote: »

Wouldn't sleep on the Ladarius Green signing. He'll breakout big time in that offense next year imo and soften the blow of losing Bryant big time.

there's also no Heath Miller eiter

Hazys

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

Has anyone ****ed up more? Yes goodell himself has ****ed up more with how he responded to cte

How is every issue the NFL touches so grossly mishandled?

A NFL Doctor comes out and says Football causes CTE then like 20 minutes later the NFL Doctor comes out and says well actually Football doesn't cause CTE. What is going on in the NFL offices?

I was trying to think why doesn't the MLB, NBA or NHL have any of the same controversies? They do but they never go full retard. I know the NFL is way bigger which obviously is a big factor but still, every action the NFL takes with every controversy seems makes it worse.

The NHL had the Patrick Kane Rape controversy, which they handled reasonably appropriately and it's over with now...compare that to the Ray Rice incident which in comparison is a less serious incident which blew up because of how the Ravens blamed the wife and how the NFL lied and handled the punishment.

For the MLB, the Cardinals are being investigated for hacking into the Astros database by the FBI, a serious cyber crime incident which has basically being swept under the rug but the NFL is going to the Supreme Court with DeflateGate over a possible minor equipment violation and has been front pages news for almost a year now.

The NBA had the Donald Sterling racism incident, which was massive story but Adam Silver was commended for how he took swift and decisive action and forced Sterling to sell his team. I can only imagine how Goodell would have handled that situation, I'm sure his actions would have only started a race riot or something.

The NFL offices must be full of the most arrogant, greedy, grudge holding, corrupt assholes, for this to keep happening and Goodell is responsible for this. Paul Tagliabue managed the NFL way more fairly and efficiently than Goodell...just take a look at their two Wikipedia pages, its kinda hilarious how many over blown controversies Goodell has been involved in over Tagliabue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tagliabue

j8wk2feszrnpao

Hazys wrote: »

The NFL offices must be full of the most arrogant, greedy, grudge holding, corrupt assholes, for this to keep happening and Goodell is responsible for this.

Goodell yes, but it's mainly the owners. They are the real power in the NFL.
Lets not forget our own RKraft backing him after the Ray Rice issue. That was the chance to get rid of him, but he's their lap dog.

jack presley

It's the time of the year when teams submit their rule change proposals and the Ravens have an interesting one.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/ravens-suggest-rule-to-allow-eligible-receivers-if-theyre-wearing-a-pinnie/

As a Redskins fan, I'm on their mailing list and saw their ones. A couple of ones that seem reasonable, e.g. increase roster size for Thursday after Sunday games but none that will probably ever get changed.

helimachoptor

Jim irsay has tweeted about a big Colts announcement at 5pm local time . Could be a new Luck contract

JaMarcusHustle

jack presley wrote: »

It's the time of the year when teams submit their rule change proposals and the Ravens have an interesting one.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/ravens-suggest-rule-to-allow-eligible-receivers-if-theyre-wearing-a-pinnie/

Loved this comment :pac:

sonhoodoo says:
Mar 17, 2016 2:35 PM

Maybe they should just coach better.

helimachoptor

Eagles offer for the Titans pick last year has been released
1st and 2nd last year
1st this year
Bradford or Sanchez
Choice of any defensive player on the roster

dave13

helimachoptor wrote: »

Eagles offer for the Titans pick last year has been released
1st and 2nd last year
1st this year
Bradford or Sanchez
Choice of any defensive player on the roster

So lucky this didn't happen, as well as all the picks we could have given up Fletcher Cox!. Madness

nasty_crash

but you would have had mariota! gotta be seen as an upgrade on bradford and franchise qb!

Dont get me wrong Cox is class - but your not building a franchise around him - Titans are gonna build around mariota - and their doing just that

helimachoptor

Franchise qb is priceless

JaMarcusHustle

I find the "any defensive player on the roster" part very hard to be believe.

helimachoptor

Pete schrager who's with fox sports says he was sure that was the offer

Better than the offers that where being quoted on draft day anyway they where crazy that a pretty fair offer if your confident mariota is a franchise guy

helimachoptor

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

Better than the offers that where being quoted on draft day anyway they where crazy that a pretty fair offer if your confident mariota is a franchise guy

he may not be brady or manning but i think he does well for us (assuming hes not injured every year!)

nasty_crash

he will have much better protection this year - he got killed last season - with tunsil and free agency they will have a much better o line - consider he got sacked 38 times in 12 games - Blake bortles got sacked 51 times in 16 games - if mariota played all 16 he would have reached 50.5 so the same as bortles!! Even with 12 games he got sacked the 10th most last season - he will stay upright next year and stay fit!

helimachoptor

nasty_crash wrote: »

he will have much better protection this year - he got killed last season - with tunsil and free agency they will have a much better o line - consider he got sacked 38 times in 12 games - Blake bortles got sacked 51 times in 16 games - if mariota played all 16 he would have reached 50.5 so the same as bortles!! Even with 12 games he got sacked the 10th most last season - he will stay upright next year and stay fit!

let us hope..