The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Foxtrol

cosatron wrote: »

Will he be ready for the start of the season, ruptured Achilles will knock him back a bit

Everything is pointing to him being ready for camp.

Actually an article out that the extra procedure he had will actually make it less likely to be an issue going forward. Still obviously a concern for a CB, especially one of his age.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/972641311571435520

Hazys

https://twitter.com/WatchStadium/status/973374760632619008

This is the story behind it.

Brian Hoyer, Patriots quarterback, 2009-11: "We played up at Buffalo and we couldn't fly back into Boston because the weather was so bad, so we had to stay the night in Rochester. We drove there, and we all decided we'd go out to dinner together. Tom being who he was, he usually couldn't come to a team event like that. We might be at Capital Grille and he is sneaking in the back door and then people realize he's there and he has to leave. But this was impromptu at Dinosaur Bar-B-Que in Rochester. The whole team is there. And it turns into a beer-chugging contest. You have linemen, Julian Edelman, they all think they are going to win. Then someone says, 'I heard Tom is really great at chugging a beer.' We don't usually get to experience him like this, but we finally coax him into doing it. He does it, and let me tell you, you couldn't have poured out the beer faster into a glass. It was unbelievable. And he slams the mug on the table and puts both fists in the air. He walks away with a look on his face that said, 'You really thought you were going to beat me on this?' The place went nuts."

mikemac2

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-five-missteps-negotiating-his-contract-with-ers/DeOmLJypHmxvk5Ev1V5z7H/amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting article on how not to negotiate a contract

Sets out five steps on mistakes that Sherman made and this 3 years 39 million is completely misleading

Maybe negotiating without an agent is not so smart after all

Adamocovic

So saw reports that Cousins has a camera crew with him, recording his Free Agency process this off-season.

A nice little bonus on top of a mega contract that he will end up with.

Guffy

Adamocovic wrote: »

So saw reports that Cousins has a camera crew with him, recording his Free Agency process this off-season.

A nice little bonus on top of a mega contract that he will end up with.

No wonder he hasn't committed or plans to visit every team.

Adamocovic

Guffy wrote: »

No wonder he hasn't committed or plans to visit every team.

Never even thought of that!
Looks to be down to Cardinals, Jets or Vikings, surely be decided before draft.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22739533/kirk-cousins-having-video-crew-document-free-agent-journey

Hococop

Talks keenum is going to the broncos, not sure how he will do there

Adamocovic

Hococop wrote: »

Talks keenum is going to the broncos, not sure how he will do there

Looks a done deal.

Initial reports came out yesterday then a flurry this morning saying he is set to sign. More than likely a short term deal.

jack presley

Adamocovic wrote: »

Looks a done deal.

Initial reports came out yesterday then a flurry this morning saying he is set to sign. More than likely a short term deal.

One less city for Cousins and his TV crew to visit then.

Blut2

mikemac2 wrote: »

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-five-missteps-negotiating-his-contract-with-ers/DeOmLJypHmxvk5Ev1V5z7H/amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting article on how not to negotiate a contract

Sets out five steps on mistakes that Sherman made and this 3 years 39 million is completely misleading

Maybe negotiating without an agent is not so smart after all

Thats a great article. The 49ers really did well. Sherman should definitely have paid the 3% to an agent...

Foxtrol

Interesting narrative being pushed there, and I suppose it all depends on your perspective. One man’s a player backing himself is another man’s ‘taken for a ride’. For example, players regularly get ‘played’ by the Patriots into deals that aren’t what they could have gotten if they went to the highest bidder, and that is while they’re also paying 3% to their agents for the pleasure. Many laud these players for their willingness to do this so it is strange (though not surprising) for a Boston newspaper of all places to have this ‘take’. I’d suspect they’d be talking very differently if he signed this deal with the Patriots.

Adamocovic

Foxtrol wrote: »

Interesting narrative being pushed there, and I suppose it all depends on your perspective. One man’s a player backing himself is another man’s ‘taken for a ride’. For example, players regularly get ‘played’ by the Patriots into deals that aren’t what they could have gotten if they went to the highest bidder, and that is while they’re also paying 3% to their agents for the pleasure. Many laud these players for their willingness to do this so it is strange (though not surprising) for a Boston newspaper of all places to have this ‘take’. I’d suspect they’d be talking very differently if he signed this deal with the Patriots.

Like you said depends on how you interpret it.

Personally be on the side that he hasn't gotten the best for himself. I'm all for a player backing himself to do well. But this contract seems to be built a way that the 49ers benefit hugely from. If Sherman does do brilliantly next season and gets the incentives offered (tough ones at that) then he would have leaped back into the category of top CBs in the league. Unfortunately for him he will also be committed into a contract where he will not be paid at this level. Also the severe lack of guaranteed money is a bit nuts.

At first I thought he didn't care about the money and just wanted to play for a competitive fun team at any cost, but then to read he represented himself to avoid an agent fee I switched to thinking the 49ers took advantage of him somewhat.

Listen for him money isn't a concern, he wants to play with a team that could compete, he's got that. If he bounces back as one of the best in the league he'll see some extra cash too. But to come out of the negotiations as if he has pulled off some great steal of a contract for himself does not seem accurate at all.

Foxtrol

Adamocovic wrote: »

Like you said depends on how you interpret it.

Personally be on the side that he hasn't gotten the best for himself. I'm all for a player backing himself to do well. But this contract seems to be built a way that the 49ers benefit hugely from. If Sherman does do brilliantly next season and gets the incentives offered (tough ones at that) then he would have leaped back into the category of top CBs in the league. Unfortunately for him he will also be committed into a contract where he will not be paid at this level. Also the severe lack of guaranteed money is a bit nuts.

At first I thought he didn't care about the money and just wanted to play for a competitive fun team at any cost, but then to read he represented himself to avoid an agent fee I switched to thinking the 49ers took advantage of him somewhat.

Listen for him money isn't a concern, he wants to play with a team that could compete, he's got that. If he bounces back as one of the best in the league he'll see some extra cash too. But to come out of the negotiations as if he has pulled off some great steal of a contract for himself does not seem accurate at all.

The contract is structured is definitely a win-win for the 49ers, no doubt about it. Even when they were a shambles they rarely put together a contract that was bad for the team, so it isn’t surprising.

I disagree that if he performs that he won’t get paid enough, he’ll get $13m and that is top 10 money for a CB and I think $2m more than he would on his contract with the Seahawks. It also means additional money the following year becomes guaranteed, which would be tougher for him to get as a 31 year old CB next offseason after an initial 1 year ‘prove it’ contract.

I agree he could have guaranteed himself more money by following the path laid out by the article, holding out and waiting for teams to panic or an injury, but I think the hyperbole of how much he has been screwed is over the top and likely has a lot to do with the general dislike for Sherman. Listing out the reasons why the deal makes sense at the beginning of the article doesn’t absolve them from the remainder.

Adamocovic

Foxtrol wrote: »

The contract is structured is definitely a win-win for the 49ers, no doubt about it. Even when they were a shambles they rarely put together a contract that was bad for the team, so it isn’t surprising.

I disagree that if he performs that he won’t get paid enough, he’ll get $13m and that is top 10 money for a CB and I think $2m more than he would on his contract with the Seahawks. It also means additional money the following year becomes guaranteed, which would be tougher for him to get as a 31 year old CB next offseason after an initial 1 year ‘prove it’ contract.

I agree he could have guaranteed himself more money by following the path laid out by the article, holding out and waiting for teams to panic or an injury, but I think the hyperbole of how much he has been screwed is over the top and likely has a lot to do with the general dislike for Sherman. Listing out the reasons why the deal makes sense at the beginning of the article doesn’t absolve them from the remainder.

I understand your point. I personally don't think such a big deal would have been made about it had Sherman not ditched the agent to avoid the fee, and then claiming no agent could have gotten a better deal.

Also on the highlighted part. The additional money is only guaranteed if he has an incredible season. If it was a case of him having a pro-bowl season I can't imagine he would have any problems getting a contract with good guaranteed money even with him turning 31.

It's clear as day he didn't get the better end of the deal, he wants to imagine he did, but realistically he didn't. I was on board with the opinion that he just wants to be happy and doesn't care about money, but if he didn't care about money so much then a 1-3% fee shouldn't be his motivation for dropping an agent.

Have to wait and see how it all unfolds, if he doesn't bounce back could be looking for a new team next season anyway. Personally think the reason so many are going on about him being screwed (myself included despite him still making good money) is due to the fact how he's claiming he got the best deal out there and no agent could have done better, these attempts to play up his ego despite the fact that if he had of used an agent he would no doubt have ended up with a better payday.

Always Be Closing

Just got an email to say I won tickets to this NFL dublin event

helimachoptor

Always Be Closing wrote: »

Just got an email to say I won tickets to this NFL dublin event

Yep me too, great that its free aswell

wong

Just got my email too! Does anyone know what the breakdown of the actual show is?

helimachoptor

wong wrote: »

Just got my email too! Does anyone know what the breakdown of the actual show is?

Nope had try to do some digging but its not affiliated to Sky despite Neil Reynolds being a part of it, but assume it'll be a Q&A

Always Be Closing

helimachoptor wrote: »

Yep me too, great that its free aswell

Won 4 actually! Forgot I registered my girlfriend too

Will be a great night

ScrubsfanChris

Not sure I'd use the word "won" as it seems that everyone who registered interest got tickets anyway :pac:
Apart from the Q&A I'm not sure what else it will involve, more than likely plenty of merchandise stalls around.

Email:

You have been successful in your application to be in the audience when NFL UK Live comes to Dublin on Saturday March 24 at the Convention Centre Dublin, Spencer Dock, N Wall Quay, North Wall, Dublin 1, D01 T1W6, Ireland.

New York Giants Pro Bowl safety Landon Collins, Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl-winning British running back Jay Ajayi, Seattle Seahwaks Pro Bowl safety Earl Thomas, Baltimore Ravens Irish-Dancing running back Alex Collins and NFL co-ordinator Rob Ryan will take part in the NFL UK Live show, presented by Subway.

This event is FREE to attend as Sport Relief is a UK based charity and can therefore not accept donations from Ireland.

The event begins at 7:30pm sharp with doors beginning at 6:00pm. Your name has been added to the guest-list. You do not need to provide the name of your guest so please arrive with them. The event will last until approximately 9: 40pm.

We encourage you to wear your game jerseys so that the hosts know which is your favourite team!

Be aware that seating is limited and available on first-come first-serve basis, so it is advisable to arrive early to ensure your seat.

Always Be Closing

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Not sure I'd use the word "won" as it seems that everyone who registered interest got tickets anyway :pac:
Apart from the Q&A I'm not sure what else it will involve, more than likely plenty of merchandise stalls around.

Email:

Few of my mates registered their interest and didn't get them. Also the announcement of it on Facebook had over 500 likes and comments and I doubt everyone was accommodated

Would be fantastic if there was a lot of merch however I reckon it'll only be of the teams represented on the night and some ad hoc Patriots stuff

ScrubsfanChris

Always Be Closing wrote: »

Few of my mates registered their interest and didn't get them. Also the announcement of it on Facebook had over 500 likes and comments and I doubt everyone was accommodated

Would be fantastic if there was a lot of merch however I reckon it'll only be of the teams represented on the night and some ad hoc Patriots stuff

Oh didn't know that. Saw a lot of Twitter replies with people saying they got tickets and the website said if you preregistered interest you were guaranteed tickets. Suppose if you didn't you wouldn't brag about it.

jack presley

Saints owner, Tom Benson has died.

colmufc

I "won" 2 tickets also , really looking forward to it now , I doubt there will be March thou considering it's technically a charity event
Holding for a few freebies on the night although I don't want to be a walking advert for subway ðŸ˜႒

Itssoeasy

Vontaze burfict has been suspended for four games. With his form how is he still the league ?

Knex*

Football ability, he's one of the best in the league. He's an absolute difference maker.

TOss Sweep

This is hilarious

Knex*

Source for that: http://www.thedrawplay.com/ (image is a larger and there's a write up)

He's a giants fan that posts on the Giants subreddit from time to time. Always enjoy his content!

Onecoolcookie

Anyone not going to use their tickets to this NFL Dublin event?

Dibs!!

brinty

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Anyone not going to use their tickets to this NFL Dublin event?

Dibs!!

Can i be next in line.. only one ticket required??