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Another Company Discriminates Against Gays

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    #1592
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Really ? When were gay people not allowed to vote or had to sit in certain parts or use different bathrooms. Or hung or any of the other horrible things that happened to blacks in the USA. People really need a bit of perspective.

    :pac: Are you for real? Have you any concept of the brutal oppression faced by gay people throughout history including the post-slavery United States? The scale may be different but the essence is absolutely the same. Even Ciretta Scott King, heroine of the black civil rights movement knew and said this. Do you presume more knowledge or entitlement that her in this regard?

    Gay children or children at least those suspected of homosexuality are to this day murdered by their parents in some horrific incidences. Consenting adult male homosexuality was only fully decriminalized in the United States in 2003!


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    #1593
    MadDog76
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    reprise wrote: »
    But not answering the question looks even more foolish. I thought this was a debate - not a bulletin board.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94663096&postcount=1552

    Him not answering is your answer ;)


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    #1594
    MadDog76
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    :pac: Are you for real? Have you any concept of the brutal oppression faced by gay people throughout history including the post-slavery United States? The scale may be different but the essence is absolutely the same. Even Ciretta Scott King, heroine of the black civil rights movement knew and said this. Do you presume more knowledge or entitlement that her in this regard?

    Gay children or children at least those suspected of homosexuality are to this day murdered by their parents in some horrific incidences. Consenting adult male homosexuality was only fully decriminalized in the United States in 2003!

    And you are denigrating the struggles homosexuals had to endure in the United States by comparing homosexual "struggles" in Ireland .......... cakes and invitations :rolleyes:


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    #1595
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Him not answering is your answer ;)

    Which is fine and I respect that if he no longer wishes to participate but I am getting no indication of that.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94663096&postcount=1552


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    #1596
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    gozunda wrote: »
    ...............



    Ok so this concerns case number 3




    Yes that means 'she' was found to be in the wrong not the council. The court found against her.

    That is no relevancy to the printer policy or otherwise!

    because she agreed to the councils "dignity for all" policy and her beliefs were a barrier to the council adhereing to it's policy.

    Does the printer have a "dignity for all" policy or similar?
    Was he in breech of it?


    What's so hard to understand?


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    #1597
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No different to many people who are not gay/lesbian for example. Bulling is not unique. I was bullied pretty bad in primary school.

    How would you know? I was there. I was bullied for all sorts of things; my weight, my nationality, the way I dressed etc. The bullying I received for not being straight was different, everyone had an opinion on it and it made people who otherwise wouldn't bully me regard me with suspicion. Plus there were teachers and parents in on it, and they were distinctly absent from the other bullying.

    Plus, when did I ever say that any bullying was ok?
    reprise wrote: »
    I said nothing of the sort. But then again, having words placed in my mouth is par for the course. Shame I am forbidden from returning the favour.


    Forbidden by whom? Not I.


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    #1598
    MadDog76
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    reprise wrote: »
    Which is fine and I respect that if he no longer wishes to participate but I am getting no indication of that.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94663096&postcount=1552

    Don't give up reprise, you might embarrass him into answering yet!! :D


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    #1599
    bb1234567
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You compared Irish Homosexuals to African American Slavery ......... then you went further and compared being a homosexual in Ireland to post Slavery present day Racism in the US .......... death by torture versus ....... cakes and invitations

    I didn't specifically compare irish homosexuals. I was talking about homosexuals in general. And if you seriously think that the worst homophobia occurring even in ireland today is cakes and invitations then thats really sad, and offensive to the people who struggle with their sexuality every day.


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    #1600
    reprise
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Don't give up reprise, you might embarrass him into answering yet!! :D

    Hang on, aren't you me?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94660586&postcount=1520


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    #1601
    MadDog76
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I didn't specifically compare irish homosexuals. I was talking about homosexuals in general. And if you seriously think that the worst homophobia occurring even in ireland today is cakes and invitations then thats really sad, and offensive to the people who struggle with their sexuality every day.

    You mean there has been a recent incident in Ireland more outrageous than invitation-gate??? :eek:

    Please enlighten us ...........


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    #1602
    gozunda
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    bjork wrote: »
    Ironic, an ironic reply by saying it was a ruling and not an opinion - what's ironic about it
    please explain

    Pleas link to this ruling>

    I'm sorry Bjork I have just spent an hour attempting to decipher your cryptic points about the European Court Of Human Rights. I've managed to wrangle some sense out of this which is that the ECOHR found against the 2 cases where people claimed religous discrimination as a reason to refuse service to same sex couples. ie religous discrimination is not an accepted defence to refuse a same sex couple service. I'm not attempting to rub your face in it but that is what the ruling on cases 3 & 4 means.

    My reply to your first post was because what you said made no sense then back then either. End of.


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    #1603
    bb1234567
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    And you are denigrating the struggles homosexuals had to endure in the United States by comparing homosexual "struggles" in Ireland .......... cakes and invitations :rolleyes:

    And you think Irish people have been so much more enlightened than americans throughout our history that irish gay people have suffered no discrimination? because that sounds exactly like what you're saying


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    #1604
    MadDog76
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    reprise wrote: »
    Hang on, aren't you me?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94660586&postcount=1520

    Well if I'm you then you must be me!!


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    #1605
    bb1234567
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You mean there has been a recent incident in Ireland more outrageous than invitation-gate??? :eek:

    Please enlighten us ...........

    What about the discrimination that occurs everyday that doesn't make headlines?Does their need to be a famous massacre at a gay rights parade or a brutal murder of some gay girl that goes down in history just to prove to you that homophobia is still occurring? Are you for real?


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    #1606
    reprise
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Well if I'm you then you must be me!!

    Awesome!


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    #1607
    MadDog76
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    And you think Irish people have been so much more enlightened than americans throughout our history that irish gay people have suffered no discrimination? because that sounds exactly like what you're saying

    Are you saying being an Irish homosexual living in Ireland is comparable to Black Slavery, Nazi Gas Chambers and the torture/murder of Homosexuals around the world??
    Oh wait .......... you actually have say that :rolleyes:


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    #1608
    reprise
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    What about the discrimination that occurs everyday that doesn't make headlines?Does their need to be a famous massacre at a gay rights parade or a brutal murder of some gay girl that goes down in history just to prove to you that homophobia is still occurring? Are you for real?

    Sh!t happens to "breeders" too.


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    #1609
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    gozunda wrote: »
    I'm sorry Bjork I have just spent an hour attempting to decipher your cryptic points about the European Court Of Human Rights. I've managed to wrangle some sense out of this which is that the ECOHR found against the 2 cases where people claimed religous discrimination as a reason to refuse service to same sex couples. ie religous discrimination is not an accepted defence to refuse a same sex couple service. I'm not attempting to rub your face in it but that is what the ruling on cases 3 & 4 means.

    My reply to your first post was because what you said made no sense then back then either. End of.
    If you had trouble reading my posts you could have read the actual ruling I linked to. but instead you keep quoting one line of an opinion and then claim you were being ironic when it was pointed out that that was not the ruling, as you believed it was

    Are you going to ironically rub it in my face?


    If it is a councils policy to provide services for all without discrimination, then they can sack a person if they refuse to carry out those duties regardless if they are a conscientious objector. It does not mean every business must serve homosexuals.

    Even if they are ironic homosexuals


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    #1610
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    What about the discrimination that occurs everyday that doesn't make headlines?Does their need to be a famous massacre at a gay rights parade or a brutal murder of some gay girl that goes down in history just to prove to you that homophobia is still occurring? Are you for real?

    Well if cakes and invitations make headlines I'm sure more serious incidents in Ireland would be front page of every newspaper in Ireland ........ maybe even around the world!!!


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    #1611
    bb1234567
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Are you saying being an Irish homosexual living in Ireland is comparable to Black Slavery, Nazi Gas Chambers and the torture/murder of Homosexuals around the world??
    Oh wait .......... you actually have say that :rolleyes:

    Um gay people have been murdered and tortured in Ireland?
    If the nazis had come to Ireland every gay and jewish Irish person would have suffered the same faith as their european counterparts.
    And I said I wasn't comparing it to slavery okay I said post slavery, gay and black marginalisation during the 1900's is very comparable.


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    #1612
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    reprise wrote: »
    Sh!t happens to "breeders" too.

    Shall we start putting "f4ggot" in our replies to any heterosexual who posts in the thread, even though they have haven't used it and indeed it hasn't been used in thread at all?


    Because I think that would be a pretty ****ty thing to do. To assume like that, to imply they carry the blame for every asshole who shares a sexuality with them. I think that would even qualify for the hallowed heterophobia title.

    So, what do you think?


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    #1613
    bb1234567
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Well if cakes and invitations make headlines I'm sure more serious incidents in Ireland would be front page of every newspaper in Ireland ........ maybe even around the world!!!

    Well did you even hear about this?http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/lesbian-couple-beaten-unconscious-ireland260215

    And this cake story isn't big news , but posting in a boards thread about it a lot could make it seem like its biggers news than it is.


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    #1614
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,496 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    reprise wrote: »
    Sh!t happens to "breeders" too.

    yeah you guys have it hard


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    #1615
    66ad
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Um gay people have been murdered and tortured in Ireland?
    If the nazis had come to Ireland every gay and jewish Irish person would have suffered the same faith as their european counterparts.
    And I said I wasn't comparing it to slavery okay I said post slavery, gay and black marginalisation during the 1900's is very comparable.



    That is the most godwin post. I've ever seen.


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    #1616
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    bjork wrote: »
    If you had trouble reading my posts you could have read the actual ruling I linked to. but instead you keep quoting one line of an opinion and then claim you were being ironic when it was pointed out that that was not the ruling, as you believed it was
    Are you going to ironically rub it in my face? If it is a councils policy to provide services for all without discrimination, then they can sack a person if they refuse to carry out those dutines regardless if they are a conscientious objector. It does not mean every business must serve homosexuals.
    Even if they are ironic homosexuals


    No Bjork from that post you came at me with large realms of text but no explanation whatsoever. I asked you to clarify multiple times. Anyway Yes the ECOHR ruling is relevant in that it referred to both public and private instances of refusal of service to same sex couples.

    Your are being factious re 'ironic homosexuals' - I will ignore such a stupid remark tbh


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    #1617
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    66ad wrote: »
    That is the most godwin post. I've ever seen.

    This beat it to it.




    dissed doc wrote: »
    Demanding a Halal butcher sell pork sausages wouldn't be met with this attitude, but Christianity is free for all. The bigotry of the left-wing fascists at work. Because there is complete freedom to support the businesses that meet your own personal requirements, there is no discrimination. Society cannot ever be forced to represent the interests of just one group over all else; that road was followed before.

    The übermensch attitude of these minority interest group is as dangerous the the übermensch attitude of national socialists.


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    #1618
    bjork
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    gozunda wrote: »
    No Bjork from that post you came at me with large realms of text but no explanation whatsoever. I asked you to clarify multiple times. Anyway Yes the ECOHR ruling is relevant in that it referred to both public and private instances of refusal of service to same sex couples.

    Your are being factious re 'ironic homosexuals' - I will ignore such a stupid remark tbh

    I did clarify multiple times
    you ignored the point every single time
    Just like you are doing now
    I hope this post is not too long


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    #1619
    reprise
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Shall we start putting "f4ggot" in our replies to any heterosexual who posts in the thread, even though they have haven't used it and indeed it hasn't been used in thread at all?


    Because I think that would be a pretty ****ty thing to do. To assume like that, to imply they carry the blame for every asshole who shares a sexuality with them. I think that would even qualify for the hallowed heterophobia title.

    So, what do you think?


    Cough****** Splutter ****** Cough****


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    #1620
    reprise
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    gozunda wrote: »
    No Bjork from that post you came at me with large realms of text but no explanation(......)

    Maybe something a little less challenging so:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94663096&postcount=1552


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    #1621
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Good. It's a pity they didn't listen to judge not, lest ye be judged. Can't demand that you get to voice your opinion without others doing the same to you. I won't shed a tear if they lose their businesses. I would feel bad for the other staff.

    Maybe they are al la carte christians?


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