Liberal or Conservative?

rainbow kirby

Tree-hugging hippy. :pac:

Paramite Pie

I'm a bit all over the place, and I don't like this constant LOUD "Left" vs. " Right" thing that dominates modern political thought.

• Socially Liberal : Equal rights & Equal access to those rights for everyone regardless of gender, class, race, orientation, disability etc.. Despite coming from a Welfare family, I do believe there needs to be a cut off point for Welfare if the economy ever get's fully back on track. No "job"-bridge scams though...

• Economically Centre : Capitalism (ie the right to profit) is a fair system on a small scale but ever increasingly global monopolies have derailed thousands of years of fair economics. Capitalism needs a leash as I'm convince that successful people have a tendency to be Sociopaths.

• Justice/Criminal/Law Centre-Right : Our current system fails us again and again. The system is a game to be played, "You'll lose the case but you'll win on the appeal??" Erm-What?? If your innocent why would you loose the first time? Shouldn't the Law be more consistent?

And while the idea of Rehabilitation is a great & noble one, we've not only failed to implement it but some people don't want to be helped. Prisons need to stricter and more sercure; no mob bosses ordering hits from behind bars, violent prisoners only (separte rehabilitation centres for those willing to work their way back to society) and no visitation from suspected gang members. The identity of prison guards should top-secret (to prevent death threats to their families). Prisoners should have single cells to prevent rape, about the size of those Asian box room hotels.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=asian+box+room+hotel&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=WFrzVM23I8a67gbrjYAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=661#tbm=isch&q=chinese+hotel+pods&imgdii=_

Oh and the idea of the Death Penalty is growing on me the more I read the news.

Tony EH

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Right wing authoritarian.

Tony EH wrote: »

To the people who are saying this, can you outline why?

Assuming you aren't joking.

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

They can live under an enlightening dictator. Who will impose censorship to protect people from various societal evils.The dictator will be like a Philosopher king as outlined in the Republic by Plato, he will be Machiavellian in Character and will be cunning.

The government will be strongly centralized and private property will be allowed to flourish.Discontent will be dealt with accordingly.

Ok...I'm going to assume you're joking so.

MRnotlob606

Tony EH wrote: »

Ok...I'm going to assume you're joking so.

haha yeah. Just to see what the response was.I was reading that far right opinions are linked to low IQ as is racism,social conservatism and prejudice.

Less than 10% percent of voters of the True Finns Party in Finland have attained any third level qualification. Not trying to equate all intelligence with completion of a third level qualification but it is a good indicator.

I think it's disconcerting in a country of high social mobility with a well outlined idea of equality ingrained in the psyche of of Finnish people.

shruikan2553

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

haha yeah. Just to see what the response was.I was reading that far right opinions are linked to low IQ as is racism,social conservatism and prejudice.

Less than 10% percent of voters of the True Finns Party in Finland have attained any third level qualification. Not trying to equate all intelligence with completion of a third level qualification but it is a good indicator.

I think it's disconcerting in a country of high social mobility with a well outlined idea of equality ingrained in the psyche of of Finnish people.

Isnt the theory in the US that the colleges brainwash the students into being liberals?

I do remember going into an electromagnetics lecture and coming out thinking I should get an abortion.

MRnotlob606

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Isnt the theory in the US that the colleges brainwash the students into being liberals?

I do remember going into an electromagnetics lecture and coming out thinking I should get an abortion.

Well it isn't just one theory. It's a collection and collation of many different sources of information to form a hypothesis that isn't far from the truth.

TheDoctor

I always thought myself as liberal but begin to question it


They do say you become a little more right wing as you get older

The Corinthian

I would think about where my views lie on the political spectrum, but I lack the insecurity to be motivated to know where I 'belong'.

BeerWolf

I'm pretty much a leftist with the occasional right view.

jank

Used to be the atypical young lefty. "Why doesn't the world just work this way..."
Then I saw how the state ****s people over.... big wake up call.
Much more libertarian now but would be conservative on some things like crime.

Anesthetize

There seems to be some people mixing up liberal and conservative with left and right. They're not the same thing. It's possible to be right-wing and liberal or left-wing and conservative.

waulie_palnuts

Further to the right of Genghis Khan.

Mark Tapley

waulie_palnuts wrote: »

Further to the right of Genghis Khan.

He was a fan of migration though.

Turtwig

I find increasingly these days people lumping things into labels that are convenient for them e.g food ingredients that are good you = natural, people opposing something another group of people want = bigots, people opposing something a liberal person agrees with = conservative, people opposing something a conservative agrees with = liberal.

If only the world was as black and white as this.

wretcheddomain

I'm far too right but not far right. I'm not sure what I'm left with.

Pherekydes

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I'm far too right but not far right. I'm not sure what I'm left with.

Right wingers are always wrong and left wingers are always right kinda thing?

The Corinthian

jank wrote: »

Used to be the atypical young lefty. "Why doesn't the world just work this way..."
Then I saw how the state ****s people over.... big wake up call.
Much more libertarian now but would be conservative on some things like crime.

"Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head."

Turtwig wrote: »

I find increasingly these days people lumping things into labels that are convenient for them e.g food ingredients that are good you = natural, people opposing something another group of people want = bigots, people opposing something a liberal person agrees with = conservative, people opposing something a conservative agrees with = liberal.

I came to the conclusion, a long time ago now, that the need to ascribe ideological is a character flaw. The moment you identify with one you end up agreeing with policies, not because they make sense, but because they are assigned to that label. Conversely, you'll reject other policies because of the ideology they're assigned to, rather than whether they have any merit.

Socialism and Fascism is a case in point; many of the policies of both are actually very similar. Yet ask one to to consider a particular policy of the other and you'll get an instinctive rejection, despite there being very little difference to what their 'own' ideology would believe in.

The need to ascribe labels such as left or right wing, liberal, conservative, fascist or socialist, has more to do with wanting to belong to a group, TBH. It's an indulgence for those afraid to be alone.

MRnotlob606

I oppose the extreme equality of the left and extreme of the inequality of the right.

true567

bodice ripper wrote: »

thats pretty easy to argue with, actually. The homeless guy is less likely to be hired than the cute little girl next door.

Perv

MRnotlob606

I am a centre right , have not always Identified as that, but I have noticed Social Welfare systems in Europe are under a lot of stress from immigrants.