Liberal or Conservative?

JupiterKid

How liberal or conservative are you?

I'm pretty liberal on most social issues but rather conservative on issues like multiculturalism, open door immigration, late term abortion and tolerating religious fundamentalism.

So liberal or conservative or a mix of both and why?

Tombi!

Liberal mostly. Conservative (I think) in regards to immigration, etc. I feel that we should care more about our own people instead of throwing the doors open; Refugees wouldn't be included in that.

I've got zero idea of economics so I have no clue where I stand on that.

El Weirdo

Card carrying PC-Brigade-do-gooder-bleeding-heart-lefty-libtard here.

And damn fucking proud of it, too.

There are some bad people on the right.

Iwasfrozen

El Weirdo wrote: »

Card carrying PC-Brigade-do-gooder-bleeding-heart-lefty-libtard here.

And damn fucking proud of it, too.

There are some bad people on the right.

There are just as many badies on the left..

Wide Load

I just does what I does and that changes on whatever the topic, subject, whatever may be. Nae point sticking a label on your own views.

jimgoose

Neither. I'm the benign sort of Right-Wing headcase.

El Weirdo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

There are just as many badies on the left..

That's exactly what a fascist would say.

KingBrian2

Conservative in my personal life when it comes to tastes and patterns of doing things. Liberal outlook on Economics, politics & taxation. I favour tolerating other cultures not busting unions.

The Backwards Man

I'm a realist.

Right wing on a lot of things I guess, so it's pretty amusing being labelled a leftie liberal crusty by some just because I see through their bollocks

jimgoose

El Weirdo wrote: »

That's exactly what a fascist would say.

No, a Fascist would say "Look at these silly, hairy, sandal-wearing Lefties hanging from the lamp-posts. They're all Baddies and you don't want to end up like them, do you? Of course not! Now worship me, ta fcuk!!"

donvito99

I'm an extreme right, crypto fascist based on my support for IW.

Filmer Paradise

Hang 'em high & let God sort 'em out.

Serial Doleites, Gaeleoers, & other assorted spongers.

Get them gone!

Wibbs

Nazi.

shruikan2553

Depends on the topic. Somethimes the left is better, others the right is better.

I find many people who consider themselves liberal or conservative often dont actually have a view on something thats their own, instead they have the opposite of the people they dont like. They go so far in their own directions they meet up.

Arsemageddon

I'm left wing on most things except minor traffic offences for which I'd be happy to see the death sentence reintroduced and carried out on the spot.

Tombi!

Jaysus, Wibbs! I saw you were the last poster and was expecting a good read since your posts are usually interesting. Feckin' Nazis ruining everything.

RomanKnows

I think most people find themselves ignoring the cheap and cheerful early bird menu that offers very limited options and many supplements in favour of the a la carte menu. It allows you to make meaningful choices based on what you believe you'd like to see presented in front of you.

I believe Ireland is one of the finest examples of social democracy in the World. I have issues with some of the largesse that I believe is there in the social welfare system. I don't like people who find themselves genuinely falling on hard times and needing the support of the State being lumped in with those who never had any other intention only to live upon it. Perhaps through conditioning that was no fault of their own. I don't like that. Welfare should never be a viable alternative to work. That may be a reality for people, but that needs to change. That seems to make me a right-wing conservative.

I also think that the opening up of the Irish economy has been hugely positive. We find ourselves in a small, export-orientated and optimistic economy. I'm hugely positive about the next 10 years. And I'll be accused of political bias, but I think much good work in making that happen was done by the current Government. Really.

I'm pro same-sex marriage. Two people who love each other should have that option. I'm also pro-choice. Abortion as a concept really challenges me at a moral level. It's the great philosophical question of our time. I'd always agree with my Dad when he says that it really isn't a question for us men.

We cannot afford a United Ireland. We have a large rump of people in NI who don't want to be part of the Republic. We have a large rump of people who do. It's a difficult one.

I'm Roman. I'm a card-carrying FG member. We come in peace.

Balmed Out

Socially usually left, economics usually to the right.

eviltwin

Socially very liberal, economically middle of the road

conorh91

I would like if we finally had a reliable definition for liberalism and conservatism.

Your classic, Hobbesian liberal just wants to be let alone.

But your modern, Guardian-reading, taxation-obsessed "liberal", trying to diminish property rights and impose his values on you, may eb better-described as an authoritarian and, at times, a conservative.

I have no idea why these people are called 'liberal', frankly.

Demonique

Socially liberal on some social aspects, more conservative on others

I'm pro-gay marriage and I think abortion should be legal in Ireland up until viability

hfallada

You will find most people even a hard core democrat in the US. Will call themselves socially liberal, fiscally conservative. They agree with abortions, same sex marriage. But believe the US should be wise with its money eg strict welfare programs. I would follow that logic

Filmer Paradise

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Jaysus, Wibbs! I saw you were the last poster and was expecting a good read since your posts are usually interesting. Feckin' Nazis ruining everything.

No they don't!

Hitler. Not just there for the Nazi things in life.

Balmed Out

conorh91 wrote: »

I would like if we finally had a reliable definition for liberalism and conservatism.

Your classic, Hobbesian liberal just wants to be let alone.

But your modern, Guardian-reading, taxation-obsessed "liberal", trying to diminish property rights and impose his values on you, may eb better-described as an authoritarian and, at times, a conservative.

I have no idea why these people are called 'liberal', frankly.

I'd also like if certain people stopped being obsessed with being just in one camp and lumping any undesirable into the other camp regardless of the undesirables viewpoints.

Filmer Paradise

Demonique wrote: »

Socially liberal on some social aspects, more conservative on others

I'm pro-gay marriage and I think abortion should be legal in Ireland up until

viability

Yeah. I'm okay there, but what about gay couples having kids?

Personally I wouldn't be in favour of it myself.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Jaysus, Wibbs! I saw you were the last poster and was expecting a good read since your posts are usually interesting. Feckin' Nazis ruining everything.

He's a good Nazi, a modern day Albert Speer.

Nodin

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Yeah. I'm okay there, but what about gay couples having kids?

Personally I wouldn't be in favour of it myself.

(That's being introduced in march, and the referendum will have nothing to do with it.)

Filmer Paradise

Nodin wrote: »

(That's being introduced in march, and the referendum will have nothing to do with it.)

And.........

Nodin

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

And.........

And theres no point in bringing gay couples adopting in relation to gay couples marrying. Besides, Gay single people can already adopt as is.

Filmer Paradise

Nodin wrote: »

And theres no point in bringing gay couples adopting in relation to gay couples marrying. Besides, Gay single people can already adopt as is.

Grand So. The Lord Protector of liberal social values & all that should be so has spoken.

I only expressed my opinion.

I know my place.

Sound of Silence

In the past I probably would have called myself a liberal without a moments hesitation.

Nowadays, I try to stick to the middle of the road, because wholly committing yourself to one side of the Political Spectrum will ultimately transform you into some kind of dogmatic ideologue (and basically a bore at parties). Case in point being the modern Feminist movement and all it's stupid SJW baggage.

I honestly thought I was progressive before I discovered this burgeoning movement. Oh, how wrong I was. Turns out I'm the most terrible oppressor on the planet.

Nodin

Sound of Silence wrote: »

In the past I probably would have called myself a liberal without a moments hesitation.

Nowadays, I try to stick to the middle of the road, because wholly committing yourself to one side of the Political Spectrum will ultimately transform you into some kind of dogmatic ideologue (and basically a bore at parties). Case in point being the modern Feminist movement and all it's stupid SJW baggage.

I honestly thought I was progressive before I discovered this burgeoning movement. Oh, how wrong I was. Turns out I'm the most terrible oppressor on the planet.

That's my feckin job.

My name is URL

Classical Liberalism is probably the category I'd fall into

efb

Left socially
Right economically

Mark Tapley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm a realist.

Right wing on a lot of things I guess, so it's pretty amusing being labelled a leftie liberal crusty by some just because I see through their bollocks

That's the strangest super power I've ever heard of.

Karl Stein

'Right wing' is a euphemism for 'absolute cunt' as far as I'm concerned.

true567

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Liberal mostly. Conservative (I think) in regards to immigration, etc. I feel that we should care more about our own people instead of throwing the doors open; Refugees wouldn't be included in that.

I've got zero idea of economics so I have no clue where I stand on that.

Of course you have zero idea of economics- you just proposed importing refugees and shunning away educated/trained individuals. No need to include the second sentence on that one.

Mark Tapley

true567 wrote: »

Of course you have zero idea of economics- you just proposed importing refugees and shunning away educated/trained individuals. No need to include the second sentence on that one.

So refugees have no education and economic migrants do. Those bloody refugees fleeing for their lives. I'm beginning to think Karl Stein has a point.

COYVB

Very liberal on certain things, very conservative on others. Like most people my age I assume

true567

Mark Tapley wrote: »

So refugees have no education and economic migrants do. Those bloody refugees fleeing for their lives. I'm beginning to think Karl Stein has a point.

I never said no education- I'm sure they understand simple things. But if a refugee speaks broken english, never pursued education past 11 years of age, and does not have job skills then they are not valuable economically speaking. Whereas, European (we have a partnership and commitment to these nations) citizens with degrees and training are valuable.

COYVB

true567 wrote: »

I never said no education- I'm sure they understand simple things. But if a refugee speaks broken english, never pursued education past 11 years of age, and does not have job skills then they are not valuable economically speaking. Whereas, European (we have a partnership and commitment to these nations) citizens with degrees and training are valuable.

What about refugees with degrees and training?

Mark Tapley

true567 wrote: »

I never said no education- I'm sure they understand simple things. But if a refugee speaks broken english, never pursued education past 11 years of age, and does not have job skills then they are not valuable economically speaking. Whereas, European (we have a partnership and commitment to these nations) citizens with degrees and training are valuable.

Congratulations a truly nonsensical post . I (sarcastically) applaud your ignorance and lack of humanity.

true567

COYVB wrote: »

What about refugees with degrees and training?

Perhaps.

Go Tobban

Socially I'm very liberal with drug laws, abortion, euthanasia, personal freedoms etc

Fiscally conservative because I don't have enough knowledge of the system to really make a judgement

true567

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Congratulations a truly nonsensical post . I (sarcastically) applaud your ignorance and lack of humanity.

All I got out of that was your lackluster use of "sarcastically". For instance, saying "I applaud your ignorance and lack of humanity" would be recognized as a sarcastic comment however when you tell someone it is sarcasm it means that it was a poorly delivered joke but it also diminishes the purpose of using sarcasm as a technique (or lack thereof) to undermine someone because it is suppose to be somewhat subtle.

catallus

Isn't a liberal just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet?

Mark Tapley

true567 wrote: »

All I got out of that was your lackluster use of "sarcastically". For instance, saying "I applaud your ignorance and lack of humanity" would be recognized as a sarcastic comment however when you tell someone it is sarcasm it means that it was a poorly delivered joke but it also diminishes the purpose of using sarcasm as a technique (or lack thereof) to undermine someone because it is suppose to be somewhat subtle.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I intended no humour in my post. My use of sarcasm was alternative to a more direct approach. For instance I could have said that you are what is colloquially known as a Dumbfùck. This would have negated the need for sarcasm but would be less polite so of course I wouldn't say that.

true567

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I intended no humour in my post. My use of sarcasm was alternative to a more direct approach. For instance I could have said that you are what is colloquially known as a Dumbfùck. This would have negated the need for sarcasm but would be less polite so of course I wouldn't say that.

You're making progress. You have clearly demonstrated that you understand the word colloquially, however if I am being honest it seems as though you forced it into your post to seem, perhaps more intelligent? Just a guess of course. I don't understand your last sentence because as we have already discussed- you did not use sarcasm. Sarcasm does not exist if you literally tell the person you are using it...

Also, my leaving cert results sharply disagreed with your description of my intelligence. But hey, what does TCD Economics & Maths know? I take it Mark Tapley on Boards is a better judge of intelligence- the man who writes "sarcastically" literally into the sarcastic phrase....

MRnotlob606

I am on the centre right

K-9

catallus wrote: »

Isn't a liberal just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet?

Yep, and a liberal is a conservative who has been arrested!

fedor.2.

I'm pro choice, pro gay rights, pro equality of the sexes.

I think every murderer, rapist and paedophiles should be locked up forever.

I think we should drastically cut the amount of people we give refugee status to, in this country.

I think anyone that's been on the dole for over 10 years, should have it stopped altogether.

I think childrens allowance should be stopped after the second child.

I think the parents of scumbag children should be punished for the sins of their spawn.

I don't know what any of this makes me, I could go on