Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Aircraft mad 1

Yep me and my wife work in aerlingus so I am just said that what happening in aer lingus

NH2013

By all accounts contracts signed last week for an additional 330 coming in March for a 4 weekly SEA route, also allowing for a now daily 330 to IAD and daily 757 to PHL to be announced in the next week, possibly two weeks.

Tenger

Heard something similar, but didn't hear about a daily PHL route. Surely they wouldn't open a new route as a daily flight?

Perhaps if forward bookings are healthy or if the long awaited entry into the AJV allows them to buddy up with American Airlines?

My EI source did tell me that an announcement is planned for Nov 20th. However she believes that it is a PR event related to the arrival of EI-GCF.

Aircraft Mad 1- we don’t mean to come across as rude but stating things so definitely with no track record, and basing predictions on internal staff rumors isn’t a great way for posters here to have belief in your predictions.
Remembering my time in EI, there were always lots of rumors, often ignoring obvious business realities.

Personally I think SEA and DFW would really complete the EI network to the US. But I realize that operating both would require at least 1 more A330 (more likely 2)
IAG could surprise spectators here but I think they are more focused on expanding the Level network with leased A330s (maybe ex-Air Berlin?)

goingnowhere

Just remember rumours are often set to trace who is leaking.

SEA has been on the radar for a while, it is one of the top connection destinations from Dublin, SEA would imply a need to cut a deal with Alaska the biggest carrier at Seatac (AA and BA already have relationships)

DFW, well if you are getting into bed with AA you have to go to DFW

LAS, always a dream but a possible way to use a frame off season, onward connection options ??


There is a practical issue, you need crew to operate the aircraft, so thats a lot of training and type ratings to get in place

A customer facing practical issue, the EI website cannot book flights with more than 1 connection, with all these routes being added being able to book flights with 2 or even 3 connections each way will need to be sorted. EI can do it over the phone but business is clearly lost if its not possible online.

TheFitz13

Anyone know why EI-CVA has been at Hahn for the past few weeks and when it will be returning? It's the oldest 320 in the EI fleet

goingnowhere

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Anyone know why EI-CVA has been at Hahn for the past few weeks and when it will be returning? It's the oldest 320 in the EI fleet

Maintenance

Van.Bosch

Aircraft mad 1 wrote: »

I work in aerlingus that how i can say that aerlingus are taking four a330 in 2018

As already mentioned the slides from the cap market Day can’t be taken as 100% accurate as things change. But if you have inside knowledge of these 4 extra frames then it would be in breach of market rules to publish a knowingly inaccurate document. Now if it is the case that they are in negotiations for extra craft or just about to sign an agreement, then they could release the slide as is. If that is the case though I would expect that the only people at EI who would know that would be very senior, as far as I know there are no husband any wife couples at such a level.

A319er

To be fair Mike Ritter stated further T/A route or routes to be announced this year for S18
Plus IAG stated that EI fleet will take advantage of any arising opportunity for growth and let's face it plenty of unexpected A330 now available

AoifeOCaa

Any talks about earlier departures from European key cities (mainly CDG/AMS/FCO) to feed early Trans Atlantics and to free a few aircraft stands/slots in Dublin? Had heard this before but it's been very quiet now.

Any date of Aer Space being announced (in case the plan still on the lines)?

Marcusm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

As already mentioned the slides from the cap market Day can’t be taken as 100% accurate as things change. But if you have inside knowledge of these 4 extra frames then it would be in breach of market rules to publish a knowingly inaccurate document. Now if it is the case that they are in negotiations for extra craft or just about to sign an agreement, then they could release the slide as is. If that is the case though I would expect that the only people at EI who would know that would be very senior, as far as I know there are no husband any wife couples at such a level.

Worse than a breach of “market rules”, it would be “market abuse” and a FSMA offence. I doubt that the presentation will have deliberately misstated the position.

Shn99

Aircraft mad 1 wrote: »

Yep me and my wife work in aerlingus so I am just said that what happening in aer lingus

Andrzej, first of all you don’t have a wife and second of all you don’t work for Aer Lingus.

JCX BXC

Shn99 wrote: »

Andrzej,.

Was suspecting as much!

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Any talks about earlier departures from European key cities (mainly CDG/AMS/FCO) to feed early Trans Atlantics and to free a few aircraft stands/slots in Dublin? Had heard this before but it's been very quiet now.

Any date of Aer Space being announced (in case the plan still on the lines)?

To costly, it will never happen.

Their network isn't big enough anyway to deliver the volume to make them work and with no SH growth ain't going to ever be the way things stand.

They could never for example make a profit on:
06.00 - FCO-DUB-FCO
06.00 - DUB-FCO-DUB

You can't pull the DUB based departure because of the feed from the US.

AoifeOCaa

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

To costly, it will never happen.

Their network isn't big enough anyway to deliver the volume to make them work and with no SH growth ain't going to ever be the way things stand.

They could never for example make a profit on:
06.00 - FCO-DUB-FCO
06.00 - DUB-FCO-DUB

You can't pull the DUB based departure because of the feed from the US.

Thanks Jamie. Wonder though why those LHR earlier departures still profitable if they could simply use BA

Van.Bosch

DUB-LHR is the Dublin Airports busiest route, always people going to need flights any time of the day. Last few times I've been on the 149 or 151 they've tended to be quite full.

Heathrow is a totally different market alright, not comparable to anything else.

AoifeOCaa

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Heathrow is a totally different market alright, not comparable to anything else.

So couldn't be either CDG or AMS the same in the future regarding earlier departures/later flights, specially with Aer Lingus looking at up to 10 new routes on top of the 12 ( https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-eyes-up-to-10-new-dublin-us-routes-1.3271139) with some of them with early departures?
That's a huge Long Haul operation with up to 22 routes in total. I am sure feeding will be an important point and not all these flights will be departing so late as they do now?
At the moment, the early JFK/BOS/ORD already misses connections from further places like FCO*MXP

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Thanks Jamie. Wonder though why those LHR earlier departures still profitable if they could simply use BA

Apart from slot value and losing them, there is a lot of British flight deck and is the LHR CC base still operational. There is very little price fluctuation on LHR which helps and FR offering 9.99 fares won't force EI to complete on price because they simply don't need to with LHR where as they would on other cities.

There may be potential for one or two cities but I honestly can't see it happening medium term. It's essentially doubling capacity for the most part which is way to risky.

Slot issues and even night curfews are problems which could reduce aircraft utilization by having to land back in Europe.

AoifeOCaa

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Apart from slot value and losing them, there is a lot of British flight deck and is the LHR CC base still operational. There is very little price fluctuation on LHR which helps and FR offering 9.99 fares won't force EI to complete on price because they simply don't need to with LHR where as they would on other cities.

There may be potential for one or two cities but I honestly can't see it happening medium term. It's essentially doubling capacity for the most part which is way to risky.

Slot issues and even night curfews are problems which could reduce aircraft utilization by having to land back in Europe.

Those slots are really valuable indeed. What cities would you consider a potential? Maybe that would happen due to the huge long haul growth?

IrishYamm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Apart from slot value and losing them, there is a lot of British flight deck and is the LHR CC base still operational. There is very little price fluctuation on LHR which helps and FR offering 9.99 fares won't force EI to complete on price because they simply don't need to with LHR where as they would on other cities.

There may be potential for one or two cities but I honestly can't see it happening medium term. It's essentially doubling capacity for the most part which is way to risky.

Slot issues and even night curfews are problems which could reduce aircraft utilization by having to land back in Europe.

It’s DUB crew and Flight deck who operate the aer lingus earlier flights out of London. There is no LHR crew base. Maybe you thinking of LGW? (Which there is no crew/ flight deck left either).

kub

Perhaps Ryanair might bring the passengers to Dublin on early flights, is there talk of a deal here about US connections ?

L1011

kub wrote: »

Perhaps Ryanair might bring the passengers to Dublin on early flights, is there talk of a deal here about US connections ?

Ryanair don't have early inbounds from that many destinations; all UK ones.

A Monday in November isn't representative of all year but is decent for the winter schedule

LBA, LTN, STN is it before 0900; MAN, BRS, BHX, EDI, LPL before 0930. After that you start running in to transfer time issues to the early departures.

Would provide something but its no magic bullet

JCX BXC

Would a large amount of inter-terminal connections cause issues at DUB?

L1011

JCX BXC wrote: »

Would a large amount of inter-terminal connections cause issues at DUB?

Probably, yes. The connection desks/corridor only has a certain capacity. Wouldn't imagine that even all 8 of those would generate too much though.

The two terminals are closer linked than is the case in many other multi-terminal airports, even ones where its easier to do so such as US ones and Schengen ones.

Aircraft mad 1

Told u guys that Seattle would be the next one to be announced

Rumours have it ei CVA will get 90s livery in Germany

I just like to let u know what going on

Noxegon

Tenger wrote: »

Perhaps if forward bookings are healthy or if the long awaited entry into the AJV allows them to buddy up with American Airlines?

My EI source did tell me that an announcement is planned for Nov 20th. However she believes that it is a PR event related to the arrival of EI-GCF.

Aircraft Mad 1- we don’t mean to come across as rude but stating things so definitely with no track record, and basing predictions on internal staff rumors isn’t a great way for posters here to have belief in your predictions.
Remembering my time in EI, there were always lots of rumors, often ignoring obvious business realities.

Personally I think SEA and DFW would really complete the EI network to the US. But I realize that operating both would require at least 1 more A330 (more likely 2)
IAG could surprise spectators here but I think they are more focused on expanding the Level network with leased A330s (maybe ex-Air Berlin?)

Somewhere in Texas really is the obvious gap between Dublin and the US at this point. I’m kind of surprised that United hasn’t launched IAH to be honest.

Shn99

Aircraft mad 1 wrote: »

Told u guys that Seattle would be the next one to be announced

Rumours have it ei CVA will get 90s livery in Germany

I just like to let u know what going on

Andrzej just stop, you may have everyone else fooled with your tripe but it doesn’t get past me. CVA is getting maintenance in Hahn. Please stop

JCX BXC

Noxegon wrote: »

I’m kind of surprised that United hasn’t launched IAH to be honest.

United seem to be cutting alot of transatlantic capacity as of late.

Bussywussy

Aircraft mad 1 wrote: »

Told u guys that Seattle would be the next one to be announced

Rumours have it ei CVA will get 90s livery in Germany

I just like to let u know what going on

Ah Jaysus stop surely if you worked in EI you'd know it's getting the glass ceiling and floor modification

L1011

Bussywussy wrote: »

Ah Jaysus stop.

This poster has closed their account so we won't be having to deal with their comments any more.

joeysoap

Aircraft mad 1 wrote: »

Told u guys that Seattle would be the next one to be announced

Rumours have it ei CVA will get 90s livery in Germany

I just like to let u know what going on

We’ll know soon enough. 😀