Diesel's days are numbered.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

The annual mileage of some people is so high that, given the present costs of motor tax and fuel, the only option that makes any financial sense is diesel...

The "only" option, you sure about that ?

GustavoFring

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes I know they make petrol, let me rephrase,

They should not make diesel and make petrol only. As well as EV of course.

A business turn its back on a market when there are no legal barriers stopping them profiting hugely from it? That would stupidity on their part.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

The "only" option, you sure about that ?

Of course. If you like some posters here do a 100km (one way) commute, plus a few 200km trips at the weekend (so over 70k km per year), there really is no alternative that wouldn't cost a lot more

Even LPG would be out of the question and a right pain in the hole filling up the small tank (unless you can buy LPG on your way to work and don't mind a nearly daily stopover to fill up)

And please don't come on here saying this kinda mileage is totally feasible in an electric car (except maybe a Tesla)

vectra

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Who hangs around at charging stations daily ? I certainly don't.

Local lad here has one of those Nissan yokes.
Drives into town every day almost and uses it as his private parking space while he toddles off to work.
I would hate to go to town in the hope of charging one.
I would have to almost pre book a space.

vectra

vectra wrote: »

Local lad here has one of those Nissan yokes.
Drives into town every day almost and uses it as his private parking space while he toddles off to work.
I would hate to go to town in the hope of charging one.
I would have to almost pre book a space.

When the charges are introduced that will cure that.

+ there should be a max stay of 2 hrs.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Of course. If you like some posters here do a 100km (one way) commute, plus a few 200km trips at the weekend (so over 70k km per year), there really is no alternative that wouldn't cost a lot more

Even LPG would be out of the question and a right pain in the hole filling up the small tank (unless you can buy LPG on your way to work and don't mind a nearly daily stopover to fill up)

And please don't come on here saying this kinda mileage is totally feasible in an electric car (except maybe a Tesla)

I drive 135 kms for work.

+ there are plenty of 2nd prius available. Diesel doesn't have to be the No.1 Choice.

The majority of drivers are not driving over 100 kms a day. The daily average in Ireland is 16 Kms according to the Journal.

In 2 years the 300 Km Leaf and Model 3 will be around amount other cars at that time.

colm_mcm

How many days left now?

unkel

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there are plenty of 2nd prius available. Diesel doesn't have to be the No.1 Choice.

I'd rather stick my genitals in a blender than drive a Prius for over 70k km per year

Most popular diesels (520d, Mondeo, pretty much any decent size modern car) would be far nicer places to be in for such long distances and would be a lot cheaper to run

gctest50

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When the charges are introduced that will cure that.

+ there should be a max stay of 2 hrs.

A LOT more chargers would be a better answer to the problem - would bring much joy and happiness


https://www.zap-map.com/live/


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unkel

unkel wrote: »

I'd rather stick my genitals in a blender than drive a Prius for over 70k km per year

Most popular diesels (520d, Mondeo, pretty much any decent size modern car) would be far nicer places to be in for such long distances and would be a lot cheaper to run

Cheaper to run , how do you figure this ?



Though admittedly my average was about 4.6-4.8 L/100 kms.

4.3 L/100 kms was what I could get when I really made the effort.

grogi

unkel wrote: »

I'd rather stick my genitals in a blender than drive a Prius for over 70k km per year

Most popular diesels (520d, Mondeo, pretty much any decent size modern car) would be far nicer places to be in for such long distances and would be a lot cheaper to run

Can be nicer, quieter on the motorway for sure... But in no universe cheaper...

gctest50

gctest50 wrote: »

A LOT more chargers would be a better answer to the problem - would bring much joy and happiness


https://www.zap-map.com/live/


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That map doesn't show the Irish charge points.

In 2 years when the 300 Km Leaf comes out and the other 300 Km electrics there'll be a lot less dependence on charge points, they'll still be used for cross country trips etc but over all much less individual use.

https://www.esb.ie/our-businesses/ecars/charge-point-map

vectra

Deleted User wrote: »

When the charges are introduced that will cure that.

+ there should be a max stay of 2 hrs.

This guy would work it out to the 1c difference in cost and still use the cheaper option.

What about a person living on the side of a street, how would they charge them? Extension lead across the footpath waiting for someone to trip over it and have themselves a nice insurance claim against them?

unkel

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my average was about 4.6-4.8 L/100 kms.

Eh, yeah, with hypermiling techniques like pulse and glide which are selfish and unsafe. And driving below the speed limits. You would spend less money driving a modern diesel the same way you drove that Prius...

vectra

vectra wrote: »

This guy would work it out to the 1c difference in cost and still use the cheaper option.

What about a person living on the side of a street, how would they charge them? Extension lead across the footpath waiting for someone to trip over it and have themselves a nice insurance claim against them?

They could use the fast chargers, the ESB will be installing 100 Kw + chargers when the cars become available, Leaf II is rumoured to be capable of accepting this level of charge, The Tesla Model 3 will be capable of using those and the Super chargers of 120 Kw.

So those with no home charging will most likely charge from these chargers. Gaining around 150 miles in 25 mins.

If electric cars take off which will eventually happen then it's likely the problem of charging at home for those renting, in Apartments or who have to park on the street will be addressed though currently there is no sign of this happening.

But as demand rises so will pressure on local authorities who will eventually give in.

You an always apply to the Council for permission to install a charge point on the street where you live but you foot the bill so I expect most people will be happy with 150 mile range in 25-30 mins.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Eh, yeah, with hypermiling techniques like pulse and glide which are selfish and unsafe. And driving below the speed limits. You would spend less money driving a modern diesel the same way you drove that Prius...

LOl what are you talking about ?

Selfish and unsafe ? unreal stuff , seriously.

Yes I used pulse and glide when and where conditions dictated using those speeds. This is the key.

However battery power can come on at any time but the coasting method of pulse and glide up to 74 kph and there are many driving situations where you can use pulse and glide to it's full potential.

You really got to know how it works before you make assumptions.

grogi

unkel wrote: »

Eh, yeah, with hypermiling techniques like pulse and glide which are selfish and unsafe. And driving below the speed limits. You would spend less money driving a modern diesel the same way you drove that Prius...

After a few weeks I stopped worrying about efficient driving. I drove the Prius as I would any other car. Result - 5.4l/100km - and that is mostly around the city...

The cost of ownership is not only in petrol though - and even if a 520d would be more efficient (which I seriously doubt) - the service costs are very different...

Markcheese

unkel wrote:

The annual mileage of some people is so high that, given the present costs of motor tax and fuel, the only option that makes any financial sense is diesel...

High mileage currently means it makes to drive diesel under current systems( motor and fuel tax )....
If those taxs change and government and european motor policy changes then some other fuel (petrol,gas or electric) will become the "only " sensible financial choice...

shietpilot

So that's why it's impossible to drive at a constant speed on Irish motorways - because lads are pulsing and gliding trying to save 10 cent while the rest of the cars behind them are jumping into lane 2 and staying there because they can drive at a steady pace.

What's next? Bicycle tyres to reduce friction and increase fuel efficiency?

shietpilot

shietpilot wrote: »

So that's why it's impossible to drive at a constant speed on Irish motorways - because lads are pulsing and gliding trying to save 10 cent while the rest of the cars behind them are jumping into lane 2 and staying there because they can drive at a steady pace.

What's next? Bicycle tyres to reduce friction and increase fuel efficiency?

Irish motorway driving can be a bit hilarious alright. Constant overtakers on empty road doing 100 at 120 km/h, people who you are overtaking matching the speed with you, people suddenly swerving front of you and slowing down to match their speed with the vehicle they are overtaking etc. etc.

shietpilot

shietpilot wrote: »

So that's why it's impossible to drive at a constant speed on Irish motorways - because lads are pulsing and gliding trying to save 10 cent while the rest of the cars behind them are jumping into lane 2 and staying there because they can drive at a steady pace.

What's next? Bicycle tyres to reduce friction and increase fuel efficiency?

Typical useless comment for the sake of it.

Obviously no idea what you're talking about.

Christ, lets not turn this into another thread about motorway driving and middle lane drivers , people in the slow lane, people in the fast lane who won't move etc !

dr.fuzzenstein

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Christ, lets not turn this into another thread about motorway driving and middle lane drivers , people in the slow lane, people in the fast lane who won't move etc !

Agreed, let's go back to bashing diesel.
OK, here's my challenge to Boardsies:

Car of similar size to my Cmax and should be about similar or cheaper in running costs (49MPG as of today), 1.8 liter engine with nice bit of torque, spacious and comfy, tax is the steepest bit, around 600 (dunno, something around that).

So, find me a petrol or EV of similar size that will do that with same running cost (petrol would have to get better MPG to offset price difference in fuel, but not be a sh*tbox).
Oh yes, and I don't have any money to spend on top of the trade in price of my Cmax (2006, 360k km, reasonably well looked after and a bit battered looking).

I have often asked this question, the answer so far....
Deafening silence. I expect no different this time. Sorry, you will have to put up with my baby murdering clatterbox another while. it's legal, I can afford to run it, so leck mich am Arsch.

Toyotafanboi

You're kind of asking an unreasonable proposition though fuzz.

Your C-Max suits your needs and that's great. You get very defensive over it though.

It's a good bangernomics type car that's treating you right, but you can't keep getting your back up over it... there are other EV and probably even petrol family cars that could be more efficient than your C-Max, but when you add the criteria that you want one essentially for free, to suit an entirely fabricated arguement, then you look a bit daft.

The technology is there for people who (at present) can afford it. It sounds like that's not you... or me tbh.

shietpilot

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Typical useless comment for the sake of it.

Obviously no idea what you're talking about.

Better one "useless" comment rather than 3 comments in a row which you have repeated in numerous threads over the last few years

Fiskar

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Agreed, let's go back to bashing diesel.
OK, here's my challenge to Boardsies:

Car of similar size to my Cmax and should be about similar or cheaper in running costs (49MPG as of today), 1.8 liter engine with nice bit of torque, spacious and comfy, tax is the steepest bit, around 600 (dunno, something around that).

So, find me a petrol or EV of similar size that will do that with same running cost (petrol would have to get better MPG to offset price difference in fuel, but not be a sh*tbox).
Oh yes, and I don't have any money to spend on top of the trade in price of my Cmax (2006, 360k km, reasonably well looked after and a bit battered looking).

I have often asked this question, the answer so far....
Deafening silence. I expect no different this time. Sorry, you will have to put up with my baby murdering clatterbox another while. it's legal, I can afford to run it, so leck mich am Arsch.

Your challenge is to get a Nissan Leaf, square box with a bit of electrics, its the way to go and you know it!

dr.fuzzenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You're kind of asking an unreasonable proposition though fuzz.

Your C-Max suits your needs and that's great. You get very defensive over it though.

It's a good bangernomics type car that's treating you right, but you can't keep getting your back up over it... there are other EV and probably even petrol family cars that could be more efficient than your C-Max, but when you add the criteria that you want one essentially for free, to suit an entirely fabricated arguement, then you look a bit daft.

The technology is there for people who (at present) can afford it. It sounds like that's not you... or me tbh.

Exactly. But a lot of people here are making that exact same argument for their type of vehicle. "I drive EV and it suits me" and "I drive petrol and it works for me" and based on that logic everyone now MUST drive what they're driving. or what they approve of. :rolleyes:
There is a segment of Boardsies on the motoring section who will rabidly attack diesel at every possible (or impossible) opportunity. As if I have to change what I'm driving because they don't like it. Apparently I give babies cancer and other such horsesh*t being spewed. As with the anti smoking lobby, there should be an anti smug bastard law making it illegal to fill the air with unhealthy amounts of Smug.
I feel like taking up baby seal clubbing just to annoy that section of the population even more. I may dig out my old patio heater and leave it burning 24/7, just to accelerate global warming, because my diesel is sadly lacking in CO2. In today's world I have learnt it is pointless to be apologetic, my attitude from now on is "yeah, so, and?"

shietpilot

shietpilot wrote: »

So that's why it's impossible to drive at a constant speed on Irish motorways - because lads are pulsing and gliding trying to save 10 cent while the rest of the cars behind them are jumping into lane 2 and staying there because they can drive at a steady pace.

shietpilot wrote: »

Better one "useless" comment rather than 3 comments in a row which you have repeated in numerous threads over the last few years

Your statement in Blue is ridiculous, the people holding up traffic on the motorways are not Prius drivers.

So what if I repeat what I've said previously ? this is what the forum is for, "discussing"

shietpilot

Deleted User wrote: »

Your statement in Blue is ridiculous, the people holding up traffic on the motorways are not Prius drivers.

So what if I repeat what I've said previously ? this is what the forum is for, "discussing"

But pulsing and gliding is not a feature of a Prius. It can be done in any car I never said Prius drivers are slowing people down. I usually drive with cruise control and other drivers on motorways seem to change their speed constantly even though the road ahead is clear. Pulsing and gliding seems to be the only explanation

fancy pigeon

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Exactly. But a lot of people here are making that exact same argument for their type of vehicle. "I drive EV and it suits me" and "I drive petrol and it works for me" and based on that logic everyone now MUST drive what they're driving. or what they approve of. :rolleyes:
There is a segment of Boardsies on the motoring section who will rabidly attack diesel at every possible (or impossible) opportunity. As if I have to change what I'm driving because they don't like it. Apparently I give babies cancer and other such horsesh*t being spewed. As with the anti smoking lobby, there should be an anti smug bastard law making it illegal to fill the air with unhealthy amounts of Smug.
I feel like taking up baby seal clubbing just to annoy that section of the population even more. I may dig out my old patio heater and leave it burning 24/7, just to accelerate global warming, because my diesel is sadly lacking in CO2. In today's world I have learnt it is pointless to be apologetic, my attitude from now on is "yeah, so, and?"

It meets your needs and you like what you have. Can other cars be more efficient than what you have? Most certainly. Will you like driving them? Probably not.

That is the key difference no one can really influence. You either can get used to it or not.

Its like being told "eat it up because its good for you". I could have made do with a smaller diesel car myself but no. I decided to go for a slightly larger than normal 2.2 weasel powered car. And I love it. It suits my needs. I can do my average of 900miles a week in comfort. I don't have to worry when the power is shut off for maintenance every so often out here. I have had cars in the past I hated the thought of driving (granted not many but there were a few)

This is also why I miss my 406. The black smoke and pure pollution it put out would make the weather change. And annoy every eco nut out there. And blacken the front of every car behind. And still averaged 35mpg with all that nonsense. And it made me smile knowing how many people that car annoyed

I've gone in with open minds with test driving some cars. Some surprised me (my diesel Corolla was quite fun.... No I can't even finish that sentence. That's a lie. It was a cracking handling car and had the best headlamps of any car I've had) and others really were crap. People got butthurt over that, no surprises there!

You can figure out how many f*cks I gave about what others thought of too