Leo Again

fran17

murrayp4 wrote: »

Link to this study?

Its been linked earlier in the thread.

skooterblue2

floggg wrote: »

I thought you were against relaxing rules for higher risk groups?

.....and I still am. But those are the rules issued by the IBTS and those are the ones I have to work within. I am very surprised by the easing of the acupuncture ban. There was a total ban while I was donating. I have great time for acupuncture in a strictly regulated envoirnment.

People here are under the delusion that the Irish Haemophila Society and Positive Action have spoken... they havent yet.

Flem31

efb wrote: »

2 hours after normal office closing time

Not many offices close at 5pm, norm is 5.30 and some close at 6pm

fran17

B_Wayne wrote: »

It's based on what you post. You've misrepresented numerous times in this topic. I'm not exactly the first person to make this rather fair conclusion...

Your being irrational now.Oh well sure if others are doing it....

efb

Flem31 wrote: »

Not many offices close at 5pm, norm is 5.30 and some close at 6pm

9-5 is standard office hours

efb

fran17 wrote: »

Your being irrational now.Oh well sure if others are doing it....

Everyone is irrational except you

floggg

skooterblue2 wrote: »

.....and I still am. But those are the rules issued by the IBTS and those are the ones I have to work within. I am very surprised by the easing of the acupuncture ban. There was a total ban while I was donating. I have great time for acupuncture in a strictly regulated envoirnment.

People here are under the delusion that the Irish Haemophila Society and Positive Action have spoken... they havent yet.

So if the IBTS support relaxing the ban on gay and bisexual men then you will support that too?

skooterblue2

floggg wrote: »

So if the IBTS support relaxing the ban on gay and bisexual men then you will support that too?

Already answered this ...... keep up......

floggg

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Already answered this ...... keep up......

Did you check to see if the IBTS rule changes re acupuncture got support from the Minister and all patient groups before deciding that you could support those rule changes?

Links to statement of support?

fran17

floggg wrote: »

So if the IBTS support relaxing the ban on gay and bisexual men then you will support that too?

Personally speaking they wont.Giving the overwhelming medical and statistical evidence against such a move would make it practically impossible.

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

That's very much uncalled for floggg.Not in the spirit of debate at all.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So there is nothing behind it your opinions? there isnt even a level 4 carers cert? ]

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The usual quote from someone who has none, wanna tip medicine/Science and engineering pays the bills.

And those comments were (one of which you thanked)?

If you are going to try to feign righteousness, its best to be consistent about it.

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

Personally speaking they wont.Giving the overwhelming medical and statistical evidence against such a move would make it practically impossible.

Qualifications please Fran?

And unless you are the IBTS, your personally speaking is meaningless.

Timberrrrrrrr

fran17 wrote: »

Personally speaking they wont.Giving the overwhelming medical and statistical evidence against such a move would make it practically impossible.

Yet a few years ago people who had got tattoos/acupuncture were banned from donating for a long time. As stated before, advances are made and new testing arises hence the ban was cut by 2/3.

skooterblue2

floggg wrote: »

Did you check to see if the IBTS rule changes re acupuncture got support from the Minister and all patient groups before deciding that you could support those rule changes?

Links to statement of support?

Well it wouldnt have passed without ministerial approval.
So I presume as it wasnt clamped down on that it was acceptable to all the relevent parites

see post #384

only one or two pages back..... you thanked the person who commented after me .... I am not sure how you could have missed it?

Flem31

floggg wrote: »

He has been talking about it for two weeks. And he has barely mentioned it in that time.

Where is the evidence that he is treating it as a priority, rather than dealing with the issue as it arises? Is there any evidence that he expedited the matter or has insisted it be looked at as a matter of urgency?

I obviously am not quote sure what your reference to Feb 2016 was intended to mean, so please explain.

Not true, he spoke about it in early December also, and his spokesman was quoted last week re the three options and the minister's preferred option.

He may have barely mentioned the issue, but has he mentioned anything else in the last three weeks.

Seems to be an issue that needs a lot of updates
8th Dec, 10th Jan, 18th Jan, 25th Jan, and 30th Jan

floggg

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well it wouldnt have passed without ministerial approval.
So I presume as it wasnt clamped down on that it was acceptable to all the relevent parites

see post #384

only one or two pages back..... you thanked the person who commented after me .... I am not sure how you could have missed it?

Yes, that was where I say your stipulation that you would only support a change to rules re MSM if the patient groups supported it.

So, since you are happy to accept the accupuncture and tattoo changes, I assume you checked for patient group support before accepting those changes.

Its not like you'd apply different standards to the situations, now is it?

skooterblue2

floggg wrote: »

Qualifications please Fran?

And unless you are the IBTS, your personally speaking is meaningless.

better question..... are you working in health sciences? Nurse, Doctor, diagnositc medicine? Carers cert? first aid class?

please do share with us. Else Like efb...... if you have nothing to share from a proffessional point of view best not to share. Else come sit at the big peoples table

floggg

Flem31 wrote: »

Not true, he spoke about it in early December also, and his spokesman was quoted last week re the three options and the minister's preferred option.

He may have barely mentioned the issue, but has he mentioned anything else in the last three weeks.

Seems to be an issue that needs a lot of updates
8th Dec, 10th Jan, 18th Jan, 25th Jan, and 30th Jan

How many of those have been Leo V himself?

See below for google news results for Minister for Health from irish webites in the last month.

https://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=minister+for+health&cr=countryIE&tbs=ctr:countryIE,qdr:m&tbm=nws&start=0

Blood donation issue only appears on the second page.

fran17

floggg wrote: »

Qualifications please Fran?

And unless you are the IBTS, your personally speaking is meaningless.

"Qualifications please Fran?" Shakes head slowly....

I'll have you know that my personal opinion is as valid as anybody else my good man.However its the medical evidence and statistics that wins the day.

efb

skooterblue2 wrote: »

better question..... are you working in health sciences? Nurse, Doctor, diagnositc medicine? Carers cert? first aid class?

please do share with us. Else Like efb...... if you have nothing to share from a proffessional point of view best not to share. Else come sit at the big peoples table

Maybe you could learn to spell professional

floggg

skooterblue2 wrote: »

better question..... are you working in health sciences? Nurse, Doctor, diagnositc medicine? Carers cert? first aid class?

please do share with us. Else Like efb...... if you have nothing to share from a proffessional point of view best not to share. Else come sit at the big peoples table

At the risk of another warning, you certainly arent coming across as the bigger person here.

Do you need qualifications to see the decision should be made in accordance with all available evidence and after consulting with appropriate interested parties?

or to point out hypocrisy?

skooterblue2

floggg wrote: »

Yes, that was where I say your stipulation that you would only support a change to rules re MSM if the patient groups supported it.

So, since you are happy to accept the accupuncture and tattoo changes, I assume you checked for patient group support before accepting those changes.

Its not like you'd apply different standards to the situations, now is it?

Well first I only became aware of this today and I did check and there werent any mention from Positive Action. I dont really think it is in the same league as MSM and Tattoo parlours have been striclty regulated in recent years.

I dont think it is fair on either party to compare regulating an acupuncture clinic with MSM sex either .

fran17

efb wrote: »

Maybe you could learn to spell professional

LOL

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

"Qualifications please Fran?" Shakes head slowly....

I'll have you know that my personal opinion is as valid as anybody else my good man.However its the medical evidence and statistics that wins the day.

Then why did you thank the following posts?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I would love to hear your medical background........ I do love an informed opinion.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So there is nothing behind it your opinions? there isnt even a level 4 carers cert? you dodge ever question like how did the blood get contaminated the first day? Why should the people who caused the cross contamination not be prosecuted but the people who covered it up should? you have opinons but nothing else.

That is a Massive "IF" and "IF" it does happen there will be a motion of no confidence in the IBTS director, Doctors will go running for the hills saying not on my insurance. Positive Action and Haemophilia society will be screaming blue murder. Little Leo will have to go back with his tail between his legs and say "not feasible at this time". What will the Irish Haemophiliac Association say ? Nuttin cos they dont exist!!! they are anecodotal.

Miss you are talking through your hoop and you have been caught out.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

better question..... are you working in health sciences? Nurse, Doctor, diagnositc medicine? Carers cert? first aid class?

please do share with us. Else Like efb...... if you have nothing to share from a proffessional point of view best not to share. Else come sit at the big peoples table

If you are happy to thank posters demanding other peoples qualifications before they can discuss the issue, you probably shouldn't comment if you have none of your own.

Flem31

efb wrote: »

9-5 is standard office hours

Must be a very special place you work.
Normal office hours are 9 to 5.30 with hour for lunch.

fran17

floggg wrote: »

Then why did you thank the following posts?

There completely unrelated.

floggg

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well first I only became aware of this today and I did check and there werent any mention from Positive Action. I dont really think it is in the same league as MSM and Tattoo parlours have been striclty regulated in recent years.

I dont think it is fair on either party to compare regulating an acupuncture clinic with MSM sex either .

As I thought, a double standard.

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

There completely unrelated.

How? if EFB shouldnt comment without qualifications, neither should you.

Of course, i wasn't the one making demands for qualifications in the first place. I just dislike hypocrisy.

efb

Flem31 wrote: »

Must be a very special place you work.
Normal office hours are 9 to 5.30 with hour for lunch.

Even 5.30 gives 90 mind to get to dolier st

efb

Only the great learned Dr should speak. Shipman and Neary were learned Doctors...