Flightradar24 Thread Part II

JCX BXC

pepe the prawn wrote: »

Stobart enroute to Kerry using one of their new ATR's, EI-FMJ. Normally see one of the older and smaller ATR's doing this route, either EI-CBK or EI-EHH. Nice bonus for the pax to be on a brand new machine

As of late Kerry has been getting a lot of upgrades. Once upon a time it would always be the -42, then the -72-200 started making a few apperences, now its almost always the -72-200 or -72-600.

pepe the prawn

Carnacalla wrote: »

As of late Kerry has been getting a lot of upgrades. Once upon a time it would always be the -42, then the -72-200 started making a few apperences, now its almost always the -72-200 or -72-600.

Yes, maybe the route is becoming more popular thus necessitating the larger capacity aircraft. Or maybe the -42 series machines are needed elsewhere.. Either way, nice to see Kerry getting a new machine on the route for a change.

Edit: according to FR24, EHH positioned to Southend in the last few days, perhaps being practically unliveried it better serves a Flybe route on the other side of the pond as opposed to an Aer Lingus liveried machine.

EchoIndia

_dof_ wrote: »

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

The aircraft was being radar-vectored by ATC and flew a standard downwind leg before being turned, again under radar direction, to join the ILS for runway 24. This is not VFR flying, with navigation according to ground landmarks. You have to remember too that the landing was precautionary rather than predicated on a definitive existence of a device.

_dof_

_dof_ wrote: »

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

They'd never land if they kept having to avoid every town and village on the way in. Yes probably not the wisest to vector directly over Ennis but do you then sacrifice a smaller village but have the same total number of deaths of something was to happen.

_dof_

Thanks all for the feedback.

EchoIndia wrote: »

The aircraft was being radar-vectored by ATC and flew a standard downwind leg before being turned, again under radar direction, to join the ILS for runway 24. This is not VFR flying, with navigation according to ground landmarks.

Yep, I know they're not flying VFR, but ATC know where Ennis is, so they could have that built into the procedure for routing a "high risk" flight a mile north or south of the town.

They'd never land if they kept having to avoid every town and village on the way in. Yes probably not the wisest to vector directly over Ennis but do you then sacrifice a smaller village but have the same total number of deaths of something was to happen.

Well I meant major population centres, and apart from Limerick, Ennis is the major population centre in the area with around 20k people.

I was just thinking what would happen in the worst case, if there was a bomb which exploded as the plane was approaching the overflight of Ennis and showered the town with bits of 777. There would be a lot more deaths on the ground than if it happened over a smaller village or open countryside.

Of course there are valid reasons (some mentioned above) for not deviating from standard arrival procedures that would be available to the crew in their FMC, especially as it is for an airport that they would probably not be familiar with.

Or course if the worst happened, there would be uproar in the media for overflying Ennis, I don't know if the AAIU report would recommend changing the routing though, especially if it added track miles.

Bussywussy

The perpetrator probably owned up when they realised they landed in Shannon

Pat Dunne

EchoIndia wrote: »

I fully agree about the accuracy of the report, which appears to be from a freelance journalist. What I think this shows, though, is that the media are increasingly offering no real added value over what the lay person can find out from the same primary sources. It's interesting that the two sites I saw (Indo and Irish Times) carried essentially the same report and the bit that was up to the media organisation to address, a photo of a TK aircraft, came up with an A321 and 737 respectively, even though the text specifically said it was a 777-300. Not a major issue for the lay reader but indicative of the lack of much specialist knowledge within media organisations, certainly where aviation is concerned.

Can I ask you the following question, how many "lay people" do you think would be looking at FR24, whilst listening to Liveatc.net, on an average Sunday morning?

Please remember that we aviation enthusiasts are very much a minorty and that we have the necessary insight and knowledge of the various resources available to obtain this type of information very rapidly. The average "lay person" as you put it, does not!

I say "fair play" to Pat Flynn the accredited reporter, for putting a very good and factual report together.

JCX BXC

EI-DEO (IRFU livery plane) inbound SNN from Treviso with the Munster Rugby team.

SEPT 23 1989

Do plane bombers usually write notes?

JCX BXC

According to RTE News it was a piece of paper with bomb written on it. Was likely to be nothing, but you have to take every risk seriously.

Shannon757

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Can I ask you the following question, how many "lay people" do you think would be looking at FR24, whilst listening to Liveatc.net, on an average Sunday morning?

Please remember that we aviation enthusiasts are very much a minorty and that we have the necessary insight and knowledge of the various resources available to obtain this type of information very rapidly. The average "lay person" as you put it, does not!

I say "fair play" to Pat Flynn the accredited reporter, for putting a very good and factual report together.

1. I agree Pat Flynn is great at these reports.
2.Do you know how many looks you'd get for being an aviation enthusiast? I don't know about Dublin but in Shannon I get so many looks for taking pictures of planes. At a bloody airport!

JCX BXC

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

Shannon757

Carnacalla wrote: »

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

The one beside Lufthansa technik or the veiewing gallery in the terminal? On a side note, the viewing gallery was closed today. Wonder why?

JCX BXC

Wouldn't want to be driving into the one in the terminal!

Half the time the reason it's closed is the staff forget to open the door.

Shannon757

Carnacalla wrote: »

Wouldn't want to be driving into the one in the terminal!

Half the time the reason it's closed is the staff forget to open the door.

Never closed any other day I'd been there.

JCX BXC

Shannon757 wrote: »

Never closed any other day I'd been there.

Happened me twice last year I just went to the information desk and asked them to open the door.

Negative_G

I've personally never understood the attraction of 'spotting'. I've had an interest in aviation since I was young but the thought of spending several hours at an airport taking photos and noting registrations never appealed to me as a hobby.

I'd be genuinely interested to hear what people like or enjoy most about this particular hobby.

JCX BXC

I wouldn't be a major spotted, couldn't spend more than an hour and I don't take any notes or anything. Just watching the amazing machine land and take off and fly is fascinating to me. Such a good product of Innovation.

It's like a few of the friends I have spend hours on Done Deal every evening looking at Cars. It would drive me besurk but they seem to find it interesting

Pat Dunne

Anyone having trouble with either the FR24 app or website loading?

Growler!!!

Carnacalla wrote: »

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

Depends on the time you are there. It's known as "the back of the airport" by the locals and it's a euphonium used similar to the modern "Netflix and chill":D

Negative_G

Carnacalla wrote: »

I wouldn't be a major spotted, couldn't spend more than an hour and I don't take any notes or anything. Just watching the amazing machine land and take off and fly is fascinating to me. Such a good product of Innovation.

It's like a few of the friends I have spend hours on Done Deal every evening looking at Cars. It would drive me besurk but they seem to find it interesting

I can definitely understand the innovation element of it all. A huge machine taking off full of people and travelling long distances and landing in another continent a few hours later. In saying that I have known a few people to spend an hour or two out by the airport watching aircraft come and go.

At the other end of the spectrum there are some who take it to another level completely. I saw a programme, I think it was on channel 4, documenting the lives of some spotters. These guys would literally plan their holidays around travelling to a specific airport and spend the days with FR24, a scanner and camera, taking note of everything coming and going.

Horses for courses I suppose.

From browsing the forum I sometimes get the impression there is almost like a 'hierarchy' amongst spotters. What I mean is that some appear well connected in terms of getting information. I presume in the real world the community is quite small and many would know each other?

The_Wanderer

Shannon757 wrote: »

1. I agree Pat Flynn is great at these reports.
2.Do you know how many looks you'd get for being an aviation enthusiast? I don't know about Dublin but in Shannon I get so many looks for taking pictures of planes. At a bloody airport!

Try taking pictures of a train, at a railway station :D

Trebor176

Or bus enthusiasts snapping around the streets. Sod anyone that finds any sort of transport spotting odd. I do miss the old viewing window at Dublin Airport beside the lifts. There were many trips taken out there to watch the planes. I could spend a while along the runways, though, watching the planes, but not hours. Not unless there was something of great interest due.

There's a lineup of Ryanair flights heading into Dublin now.

deaddonkey15

I'm not a spotter but I am very much interested in observing aircraft movements when I am at airports. Curiously, despite my passion for aviation, I have absolutely no interest in attending airshows.

JCX BXC

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I'm not a spotter but I am very much interested in observing aircraft movements when I am at airports. Curiously, despite my passion for aviation, I have absolutely no interest in attending airshows.

I'm the same. Couldn't give an crap about airshows. Its the prominence of old aircraft that doesn't peak my interest.

pepe the prawn

I'm not a spotter but if it flies then it grabs my attention. I also like to keep an eye on movements in and out of Irish airports through here and FR24 and the like.. Have always had a massive interest in aviation, all aspects of it from the flying to the MET to the different aircraft types and the mechanics and engineering that makes them fly.

Comhrá

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I've personally never understood the attraction of 'spotting'. I've had an interest in aviation since I was young but the thought of spending several hours at an airport taking photos and noting registrations never appealed to me as a hobby.

I'd be genuinely interested to hear what people like or enjoy most about this particular hobby.

If you don't get the attraction of 'spotting' it's hard to explain it to you. It's hard to explain the joys of, say, jazz music or golf or photography or indeed any particular hobby to someone if they're not an enthusiast of these things to begin with. A bit like trying to explain colours to a blind person.

Back in the 70's when I worked in Shannon Industrial Estate, and as an aviation enthusiast, I spent many happy hours parked in my car on the road alongside runway 024 with an airband radio, a 35mm camera with a telephoto lens and a notebook & pen, logging the regs. of various Panam, TWA, ONA, BEA and numerous other carriers......

Yeah it's kind of hard to explain, but it was a very satisfying hobby (and still is) ......and no, I don't care for airshows either - a completely different thing.

cowboyBuilder

I love going spotting now and then, I don't log registrations - mind you a lot of the photos I take have the reg´s visible- but I don't make it a point to get the reg.

I think they just look amazing and so graceful coming into land or taking off - especially the heavies
(like this 777 at Dublin)

highlydebased

N417LX a BD700 global express inbound SNN now. Also touched down there a short while ago was National B744BCF N919CA, a regular the last few weeks

ComfortKid

Nice plane landed in Shannon just now, bombardier 6000.. How come it doesn't say where its coming from?