More shots fired in Paris (Breaking)

Gatling

jacksie66 wrote: »

Everytime you hear about one of these incidents you hear about the attacker or attacker having a criminal record or is known to police for terrorism activities. The guy in Sydney was well known to cops as a hate preacher.
I can't understand why the authorities dont just deport these vermin back to the hellholes they came from once they get involved in anything terror related..

Because they have human rights apparently .

Patrick2010

Deleted User wrote: »

Deporting them may not be necessary but I found it surprising they were able to plan the attacks and get their hands on AKs without raising suspicion. Along with the fact that they were known to the police to begin with makes this look like quite the law enforcement mess-up.

Guarantee you someone is going to suggest soon that this is a western conspiracy aided by the French police as an excuse to oppress Muslims.

sjb25

Tabnabs wrote: »

The suspects were reportedly relatives of the two brothers. I'd say anyone close to these pair are sitting in a police interview room at the moment.

Ahh I heard wrong id imagine if you ever had any dealings with them you would expect a knock on the door

Shrap

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Guarantee you someone is going to suggest soon that this is a western conspiracy aided by the French police as an excuse to oppress Muslims.

Already spotted something similar on the journal (only looked for 5 mins - could takes no more!).

Tabnabs

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Guarantee you someone is going to suggest soon that this is a western conspiracy aided by the French police as an excuse to oppress Muslims.

Check out the Socialist Workers Party facebook page for a whole new level of lateral thinking on this mass murder.

Patrick2010

Egginacup wrote: »

There was none of the current slaughter in Libya before NATO attacked the place, killed Ghaddafi, wrecked the infrastructure, secured the oilfields and turned loose lunatics on the general population to keep a legitimate popular political resistance from ever having the chance of developing. Likewise in Iraq. Iraq had the highest number of women in academia in the entire middle east before NATO trashed the place. So much for your bullsh1t theories of oppressing women and bringing people back to the Stone Age or whatever drivel you like to parrot to help you sleep at night.

Read some books why don't you, and preferably not the ones recommended by the Pentagon or the Daily Mail. You might learn a thing or two about how these "savage" countries were prior to NATO/Western colonisation.

Thanks, maybe you can suggest a couple of books I can read that will enlighten me on what wonderful leaders Ghaddafi and Sadaam Hussein were, beloved by their people?

SpaceTime

The police officer shot dead is reported to be a local female traffic cop who was out on point duty apparently. Nothing to do with the heavy security services really at all, just out keeping the traffic flowing this morning and got targeted.

France has various layers of police, and she'd very much be at the local, friendlier level of policing.

Totally senseless stuff. RIP.

Pinch Flat

Gatling wrote: »

Because they have human rights apparently .

They should try them under sharia law if they're that fanatical - maybe a 100 lashes then string up from a construction crane in the street. Be only fair.

sjb25

Tabnabs wrote: »

Check out the Socialist Workers Party facebook page for a whole new level of lateral thinking on this mass murder.

I looked FFS wish I didn't ........

Patrick2010

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Guarantee you someone is going to suggest soon that this is a western conspiracy aided by the French police as an excuse to oppress Muslims.

I wouldn't go that far but have to ask if there's been any responsibility claimed. Covered faces and getting away isn't exactly the pattern generally seen with Islamic terrorists in the west.

daveyeh

Nicer class over here...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/islamic-cleric-threatens-irish-publications-with-legal-action-if-they-publish-offending-cartoon-30891821.html

sjb25

SpaceTime wrote: »

The police officer shot dead is reported to be a local female traffic cop who was out on point duty apparently. Nothing to do with the heavy security services really at all, just out keeping the traffic flowing this morning and got targeted.

France has various layers of police, and she'd very much be at the local, friendlier level of policing.

Totally senseless stuff. RIP.

These guys who see themselves as "brave" will target officers like her or the officers yesterday possibly unarmed or with just a side arm against there AK47 she wouldn't have had a hope but they will run and hide when police swat teams arrive they won't target them as they no what will happen them

conorhal

Tabnabs wrote: »

Check out the Socialist Workers Party facebook page for a whole new level of lateral thinking on this mass murder.

But. but.. but.. I thought that they were all 'people before Prophet'?

Roger Hassenforder

Egginacup wrote: »

There was none of the current slaughter in Libya before NATO attacked the place, killed Ghaddafi, wrecked the infrastructure, secured the oilfields and turned loose lunatics on the general population to keep a legitimate popular political resistance from ever having the chance of developing. Likewise in Iraq. Iraq had the highest number of women in academia in the entire middle east before NATO trashed the place. So much for your bullsh1t theories of oppressing women and bringing people back to the Stone Age or whatever drivel you like to parrot to help you sleep at night.

Read some books why don't you, and preferably not the ones recommended by the Pentagon or the Daily Mail. You might learn a thing or two about how these "savage" countries were prior to NATO/Western colonisation.

Nato didn't attack Libya, they intervened at the request of the NTC.
Out of curiosity what books would you recommend?

Gatling

conorhal wrote: »

But. but.. but.. I thought that they were all 'people before Prophet'?

Like it

Duggy747

Deleted User wrote: »

Covered faces and getting away isn't exactly the pattern generally seen with Islamic terrorists in the west.

Boston Bombers, while not masked, got away from the scene and planned to cause an attack in New York.

While not common, I wouldn't see it as something they wouldn't do. They can cause more fear in people knowing they're "still out there"

Tabnabs

According to media reports, the two brothers wanted for yesterday's attack on Charlie Hebdo held up a service station in northern France.

http://www.france24.com/en/20150108-france24-liveblog-several-arrests-charlie-hebdo-attack/

Sound like a pair of radicalised numpties.

The_Valeyard

daveyeh wrote: »

Nicer class over here...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/islamic-cleric-threatens-irish-publications-with-legal-action-if-they-publish-offending-cartoon-30891821.html

Its almost like he is challenging or daring people to do it

Duggy747

Duggy747 wrote: »

Boston Bombers, while not masked, got away from the scene and planned to cause an attack in New York.

While not common, I wouldn't see it as something they wouldn't do. They can cause more fear in people knowing they're "still out there"

Yer man handing himself in though?

Connemara Farmer

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Its almost like he is challenging or daring people to do it

Niall Boylan, he would give air to someone like that alright :rolleyes:

shruikan2553

Pinch Flat wrote: »

They should try them under sharia law if they're that fanatical - maybe a 100 lashes then string up from a construction crane in the street. Be only fair.

We need to stop them brining in sharia law.

Let's do it by using sharia law!

SpaceTime

It's actually even more cowardly and nasty.

She's an unarmed traffic officer who was helping at the scene of an accident. The gunman shot her in the back.

Duggy747

Deleted User wrote: »

Yer man handing himself in though?

Was he a shooter too or one of the lookouts that some reports seem to suggest? All pictures and videos have just shown the 2 shooters and not a 3rd person, though the video where they killed the cop shows one of them shouting and making handsigns to someone out of frame behind their car.

The 2 shooters are in Northern France which suggest they bolted out of Paris fairly lively so why did this guy not go with them, did he get away from them? Chicken out? Did they abandon him?

Homeless too apparently but we'll find out what his story is eventually, reports are all over the place regarding him.

The Diabolical Monocle

Egginacup wrote: »

Perhaps if NATO countries moved their militaries out of their [Muslims'] countries then your wish might come true.

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

or perhaps the extremist networks within those countries would strengthen and expand further leading to even more restrictions on what people may do/say/think in countries who want nothing to do with them.

Egginacup wrote: »

There was no Al-Qaeda or Taliban in Afghanistan or anywhere until the west created them. There was no ISIS in Iraq or Syria until the West created them.
Created them, funded them or created the conditions for the need for them.

There was no French Resistance until the Nazis created the need for them. There was no Algerian Resistance until the FRENCH created the need for one. There was no IRA until the British created the need for one.

So please stop with the patronising drivel about how if your benevolent powers weren't stomping around in other peoples' countries robbing them blind and telling them what to do then they'd all be at each other's throats so you're actually helping them.

Did I say there was no Al-Qaeda or Taliban in Afghanistan or anywhere until the west created them.

no.

Did I say there was no ISIS in Iraq or Syria until the West created them.
Created them, funded them or created the conditions for the need for them.

no.

Did I say or even allude that the west is somehow blameless.

no.


If you move nato forces out of Muslim countries now the extremist networks such as the Taliban, al-quaeda, isil - will strengthen - as I said, and you will see more 9/11's, 7/11's and journalists murdered. Fact.
Read it for what its says. Not what your pathetic politically sensitive ego wants it to say.

I work in fact. You work in propaganda.

You won't find me constantly supporting America or the west on this forum.
Ill readily condemn the west.

Yet, when you say something on here its almost inevitably from a pro-Russian anti-west point of view.

You are the RT of boards.

Try arguing what I say, rather than what you'd like me to say (or represent) if you can.

But you won't, because you can't, because what I said is simply true.

But feel free to wriggle about and bring up the nazi's or the Algerian resistance.

sjb25

SpaceTime wrote: »

It's actually even more cowardly and nasty.

She's an unarmed traffic officer who was helping at the scene of an accident. The gunman shot her in the back.

That's all they are nasty cowards
When the armed officers catch up with them they will get what's coming

Shrap

Deleted User wrote: »

Yer man handing himself in though?

That was a school kid who was in school surrounded by alibis at the time. Presumably a false trail, or his car that had been stolen or something.

Edit: Or maybe not. Saw that on the journal where all the ....ahem....facts are :-/

SpaceTime

Duggy747 wrote: »

Was he a shooter too or one of the lookouts that some reports seem to suggest? All pictures and videos have just shown the 2 shooters and not a 3rd person, though the video where they killed the cop shows one of them shouting and making handsigns to someone out of frame behind their car.

The 2 shooters are in Northern France which suggest they bolted out of Paris fairly lively so why did this guy not go with them, did he get away from them? Chicken out? Did they abandon him?

Homeless too apparently but we'll find out what his story is eventually.

Could be anything really. It's not unheard of for these kinds of characters to target vulnerable individuals to assist them under threat of death or threat to a loved one or something.

Or he may have just gotten in way deeper than he thought.

I'm sure we'll find out more eventually.
The French police and security services aren't going to reveal everything during a live operation.

Shrap

Shrap wrote: »

That was a school kid who was in school surrounded by alibis at the time. Presumably a false trail, or his car that had been stolen or something.

Edit: Or maybe not. Saw that on the journal where all the ....ahem....facts are :-/

Oh, ok. Found it. Could be true - and we're not going to hear all the details for a while anyway.

"Late Wednesday an 18-year-old man turned himself into police in Charleville-Mézières near the Belgian border as police carried out searches in Paris and the northeastern cities of Reims and Strasbourg. A legal source said he was the brother-in-law of one of the main suspects and French media quoted friends saying he was in school at the moment of the attack."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/08/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150108

Shrap

Shrap wrote: »

That was a school kid who was in school surrounded by alibis at the time. Presumably a false trail, or his car that had been stolen or something.

Edit: Or maybe not. Saw that on the journal where all the ....ahem....facts are :-/

Yeah there's a lot of rubbish going around. Poor stuff to declare someone a suspect in public with nowt to do with it if that's how it's gone. The "manhunt" seems to be going on in Paris and further afield, it's like they have no real leads.

MOH

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