And it begins... (bigot brigade anti-SSM leaflets) - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post ###

Daith

Smart Bug wrote: »

I can't find a reference to this in an Irish news publication
Found foreign/UK references

Really odd

http://www.independent.ie/news/what-it-says-in-the-papers-30888642.html

It just says the priest called for marriage equality but no mention of coming out.

david75

thats because no irish media outlet covered it apart from outmost.com(.ie)

david75

Daith wrote: »

Really odd

http://www.independent.ie/news/what-it-says-in-the-papers-30888642.html

It just says the priest called for marriage equality but no mention of coming out.

he came out. As gay...here from the only Irish nws source that covered it
http://theoutmost.com/news/dublin-priest-comes-mass-gets-standing-ovation/

DUBLIN PRIEST COMES OUT DURING MASS, GETS STANDING OVATION
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Father Martin Dolan
DUBLIN PRIEST, MARTIN DOLAN, BRAVELY TOLD HIS CONGREGATION THAT HE WAS GAY AFTER SHOWING SUPPORT FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AND WAS MET WITH A STANDING OVATION FROM PARISHIONERS.


Last weekend, Father Martin Dolan of the Church of St Nicholas of Myra in Dublin’s city centre, urged his congregation to vote Yes in this year’s same-sex marriage referendum, revealing in his sermon, “I’m gay myself.”

Proud parishioners stood and applauded the priest for his controversial revelation. Liz O’Connor, a community youth worker, told the Irish Sun, “We are all very proud of Martin. Because he has admitted that he is gay doesn’t change the person that he was before he said it.”

While most parishioners commended Father Dolan, some called for his removal from the church.



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St Nicholas of Myra Parish, Francis Street
“I wouldn’t like to see him being moved for the statement he made. That would be horrendous,” O’Connor contested.

“He should be supported. He has done nothing wrong. If he’s moved, there would be uproar in this parish. He’s still the same man today. Martin has always been an advocate of people’s rights, and even spoke about the child abuse in the Church.

“There’s not many [priests] that would come out because they’re afraid of the bishops and that, but Martin is his own man. That’s what he believes in.”

A source in the Catholic Church reportedly told The Irish Sun, “It was very brave. He said he was gay. That was it…no bones about it. There’s a lot of gay priests but nobody will actually get up and say it.”

The Dublin Archdiocese refuse to comment until speaking with Father Dolan.

david75

the parish hes in all know hes gay and have no problem with it.

bit weird it wasnt covered in media.

or maybe the balance issue set Ionas lawyers on fire

Brian Shanahan

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah, it's almost as if you put forward narrow minded, bigoted, views, they'll get called narrow minded and bigoted. Shocking.

The mentally ill comment was a step too far IMO, but the other accusations you're just going to have to suck up since they describe your posts very well.

What's worse about the "mentally ill" comment is that it was made by one of his anti-gay fellow travellers, mrs. byrne, but you get blamed for it.


For the record I don't think 1123 heavy is mentally ill, he's just lacking in compassion for those different from him.

hatrickpatrick

I have to wonder why mods & co are so insistent that there be no church bashing in these threads, when it's blatantly obvious that the vast majority of homophobic sentiment originates with religious doctrines that claim to dictate what is and isn't ok?

SimonTemplar

This referendum better pass!

conorh91

david75 wrote: »

bit weird it wasnt covered in media.

I'm a bit divided on whether it's news or not.

Man tells his fellow parishioners that he is attracted to other men. OK. So what? Lets leave them alone and respect the priest's privacy, and his right to have a frank conversation with his congregation without a national media circus.

On the other hand, reporting the story might promote wider tolerance or a critical re-examination of catholic social teaching with regard to homosexuality, within the Catholic Church in Ireland.

Perhaps newspaper editors face this conundrum too. How far of you go without intruding upon this man's privacy?

Annasopra

david75 wrote: »

the parish hes in all know hes gay and have no problem with it.

bit weird it wasnt covered in media.

or maybe the balance issue set Ionas lawyers on fire

I saw it on front page of a tabloid a few days ago

david75

Conor,

he came out during a mass..he decided there and then to abandon his own privacy. Just because you havent read about it dosnt mean its a tell all scandal tabloid piece. He knew what he was doing and fair play to him for doing it.

conorh91

david75 wrote: »

Conor,

he came out during a mass..he decided there and then to abandon his own privacy.

He spoke to his parishioners in a big room. It's not possible to say what he intended.

I remember being at mass once when the Parish Priest revealed a struggle with his faith, and that he intended to take a sabbatical. A local newspaper would have been entirely justified in splashing the man's deeply-personal feelings all over the next week's edition, but doing so would have been ethically misguided.

People make their personal feelings known in public spheres all the time, from internet bulletin boards to AA-meetings, to church ceremonies. We should be considerate before giving those feelings an audience beyond that which was intended.

If the priest did intend to reach a wider audience, then I'm sure he will agree to interviews and there will be no problem. If he doesn't want to speak further, then I hope people will respect his feelings. Maybe he has refused, and maybe that's why the media are giving him space. Pure speculation on my behalf, though.

david75

Im not interested in hair splitting or semantics Conor. The Priest in question told his congregation he was gay, and that he supported gay marriage. No better way imaginable than supporting that fight than to do it in front of the biggest crowd available, especially if theyre sitting in front of you.

Youre worried about his privacy?
I'l PM you his number, and you can see how concerned he is.

he really isnt concerned. Stop splitting hairs.

Brian Shanahan

padd b1975 wrote: »

Intolerant tonwards gay marriage, it's an important difference.

You've not looked at the leaflet being discussed then. Nice to know that you're not bothered actually finding out about what you are talking about before giving your two penny worth, makes it easy for the rest of us to dismiss your opinion as the uninformed nonsense bandwagon jumping it is.

The_Captain

What if we allow gay marriage, but make same-sex couples promise to be very quiet with their sodomy so children can't hear?

Win-win

Annasopra

The_Captain wrote: »

What if we allow gay marriage, but make same-sex couples promise to be very quiet with their sodomy so children can't hear?

Win-win

What about the straight sodomites?

The_Captain

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What about the straight sodomites?

I've not seen any leaflets about it so I'm assuming God is cool with them being as loud as they want

Annasopra

The_Captain wrote: »

I've not seen any leaflets about it so I'm assuming God is cool with them being as loud as they want

I thought they were all wife swappers

The_Captain

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I thought they were all wife swappers

Only the godless Protestants

1123heavy

This madness needs to be stopped for the sake of all, just do the sensible thing and vote no. I shudder to think that I live among people who support such despicable activity.

mikom

1123heavy wrote: »

This madness needs to be stopped for the sake of all, just do the sensible thing and vote no. I shudder to think that I live among people who support such despicable activity.

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Mr. CooL ICE

1123heavy wrote: »

This madness needs to be stopped for the sake of all, just do the sensible thing and vote no. I shudder to think that I live among people who support such despicable activity.

You're gonna have to speak up. Can't hear you with all the sodomy

PopePalpatine

1123heavy wrote: »

This madness needs to be stopped for the sake of all, just do the sensible thing and vote no. I shudder to think that I live among people who support such despicable activity.

I shudder to think that I live among people who espouse such hatred.

shruikan2553

1123heavy wrote: »

This madness needs to be stopped for the sake of all, just do the sensible thing and vote no. I shudder to think that I live among people who support such despicable activity.

did i ever tell you the definition of insanity?

1123heavy

shruikan2553 wrote: »

did i ever tell you the definition of insanity?

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

Maximus Alexander

1123heavy wrote: »

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

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TwoShedsJackson

1123heavy wrote: »

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

What about the notion that a man can just be attracted to other men, and not attracted to women at all?

That must really get on your tits.

Genghiz Cohen

1123heavy wrote: »

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

Ok this attempt is a little better, but you are coming on too strong. As with sodomy, you have to start slow.

AboutaWeekAgo

1123heavy wrote: »

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

I'm straight but I'm fairly sure I'm sexually attracted to Ryan Gosling. Does that make me insane?

Lucyfur

1123heavy wrote: »

I'll tell you mine, wanting to change what has been deemed insane by generations upon generations and is still insane, the notion that man can be sexually attracted to men and women the same. How can you possible deem homosexuality as sane ? what planet do you on, dear ?

MOD

Yay for holidays!!! You get to go away for a month this time \0/


Everyone else, don't quote a banned poster. Thanks

SpaceTime

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

I'm straight but I'm fairly sure I'm sexually attracted to Ryan Gosling. Does that make me insane?

No, but possibly a tiny bit bisexual although I think it's been proven a few times that that's the case with a rather larger % of the population than would usually admit it (in the past anyway)