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'Convicted serial rapist to be voluntarily euthanised in Belgium'

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    #32
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Would you still see it in the same light if somebody close to you was raped or killed?

    I think not somehow.
    you don't know what he thinks or will think

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #33
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Yeah screw the victims and their families.

    Lets put this monster out of his misery to save money and put HIM out of his tortured existance!

    Meanwhile other people have to just live with it?

    FFS.
    sensationalist rabel rabel nonsense. you should work for the indo or the vermin daily fail

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #34
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    https://www.facebook.com/skynews/posts/1005475066133757

    I guess im not alone thinking this is wrong!


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    #35
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,567 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/skynews/posts/1005475066133757

    I guess im not alone thinking this is wrong!

    Post from that page:
    For him to die that's the easy way out.
    He needs to be castrated without anaesthetic and left to bleed out while each limb is removed one by one.

    What the hell is wrong with society!?


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    #36
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    You quote one stupid post!


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    #37
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/skynews/posts/1005475066133757

    I guess im not alone thinking this is wrong!

    Good for you. Feel better now?


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    #38
    chupacabra
    Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    wprathead wrote: »
    I personally don't agree that he should be euthanasied while serving time but joking about prison rape is abhorrent..

    Not even a joke tbh. Serial rapists deserve nothing less than the disgusting crimes they themselves have committed. Death is far too lenient an ending for some.


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    #39
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    And I thought reading two lads argue if half a week is 3.5 days or 4 was the stupidest thing I would read today...


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    #40
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    Too many soft approaches to people like this rapist..

    Why should anyone give a stuff to how this guy is suffering in jail?

    Is it of some peoples opinion that to keep him alive to to mistreat him?


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    #41
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    floggg wrote: »
    Good for you. Feel better now?

    Yes actually!!


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    #42
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,567 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Why should anyone give a stuff to how this guy is suffering in jail?
    That's all you seem to give a stuff about anyway.


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    #43
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,567 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    You quote one stupid post!

    There were many many more.


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    #44
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    osarusan wrote: »
    That's all you seem to give a stuff about anyway.

    Fantastic retort!


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    #45
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    wprathead wrote: »
    I personally don't agree that he should be euthanasied while serving time but joking about prison rape is abhorrent..

    Some people have an unhealthy fixation with sodomy and anal rape.


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    #46
    manonboard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    blatantrereg wrote: »
    The people who just want him to suffer might notice that he refused to be considered for early parole.

    I think he should be allowed end his life. I think that his decision to do so deserves some sort of respect.

    I greatly dislike the lust for suffering of those who have done wrong which is displayed by many people, and evident in some of the posts here. Usually I refer to it as bloodthirstiness, but in this case it is not fitting.

    I completely agree with this post. The bloodlust and suffering is such a short sighted and childish view of things. One person hurts another, so as 'justice' there are cries to hurt him back?
    Justice exists to maintain a society, not appease its animal aggression. It provides a deterrent to further crime, and removal of the threat from society.

    If society operates on the principle of revenge, then some nutter who cares for the offender will often consider the punishment too hard, and want retribution on his case. Its an infinite progression of violence.

    creating further suffering to a human being only makes sense if you acknowledge the reasons you really want it..
    ie: Serial rapist rapes victims.. Lets make him suffer so I feel better, I'm angry.. who can i hurt to make myself feel better.
    Instead it makes more sense to remove the threat from society, and to treat the cause of this behaviour in future so more pain is not affected on to future victims.

    If the rapist chooses to end his life instead of continuing, I think he should be granted his exist with respect and mercy. It does each of us no good to create a society which is appeased by violence. Our children will simply adapt the same attitude and then we'll be the first to question why the world is so violent.

    To note: If I had been asked this 5 years ago, I would of wanted him tortured as scum.. an immaturity in my understanding of the world and consequences.


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    #47
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Too many soft approaches to people like this rapist..

    Why should anyone give a stuff to how this guy is suffering in jail?

    Is it of some peoples opinion that to keep him alive to to mistreat him?
    Explain how this benefits society.


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    #48
    Davei141
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Explain how this benefits society.

    It doesn't, it just gives PLUG71 a hard on.


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    #49
    manonboard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Too many soft approaches to people like this rapist..

    Why should anyone give a stuff to how this guy is suffering in jail?

    Is it of some peoples opinion that to keep him alive to to mistreat him?

    I think what people supporting 'more suffering is bad' side of the discussion is that allowing prison inmates to suffer for peoples pleasure is an assault on the progress of our society. As in it would hurt us all as a whole to inflict pain upon another person for our appeasement.
    I suspect most would support it if it helped future society by rehabilitating him.. but that doesn't really happen with torture.. and his choice to kill himself remove the threat from our world..

    I certainly dont benefit from a person suffering.. I do benefit from a threat vanishing from our streets.


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    #50
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    Yeah screw the victims and their families.

    Lets put this monster out of his misery to save money and put HIM out of his tortured existance!

    Meanwhile other people have to just live with it?

    FFS.

    What exactly do you mean by "screw the victims and their families"? Wat the fcuk are you on about?
    How are they getting "screwed"? People like you always throw out that cliche as if you give a sh1t about them purely to give some cloak of caring to your otherwise rabid and sadistic lust for suffering.

    It's an insult to the victims that someone like you would mention them as if you have the slightest regard for them. Or do you think that the victims should be called up everyday and asked what this guy should or shouldn't be allowed to do/eat/read and if there's any deviation from that then you're going to scream "yeah, sure, screw the victims but let this guy read any book he wants?"

    The guy was eligible under the law for parole and turned it down. It wouldn't surprise me if you started screaming "How dare he refuse parole! Release him so he can be set upon by a mob and torn limb from limb!"


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    #51
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    So then its ok to put this guy down.

    Our so called progressive society let terminal sick people suffer but a serial rapist has choices?


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    #52
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    PhilBill wrote: »
    Is this a joke? I say let him see what it's like to be anally annihilated in prison!


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0103/670154-belgium-euthanasia/



    Why is it a joke, He has been in prison for 30 years and has deemed himself not to be suitable for parole. He obviously knows he is a danger and doesn't wish to be so.

    If only every scum bag was this caring.


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    #53
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    Davei141 wrote: »
    It doesn't, it just gives PLUG71 a hard on.

    Jog on ya muppet!


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    #54
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    manonboard wrote: »
    I think what people supporting 'more suffering is bad' side of the discussion is that allowing prison inmates to suffer for peoples pleasure is an assault on the progress of our society. As in it would hurt us all as a whole to inflict pain upon another person for our appeasement.
    I suspect most would support it if it helped future society by rehabilitating him.. but that doesn't really happen with torture.. and his choice to kill himself remove the threat from our world..

    I certainly dont benefit from a person suffering.. I do benefit from a threat vanishing from our streets.

    I think the harm would be rather more tangible than that.

    If we base our criminal justice system around revenge and tenhbflcirion of suffering, we will create an expectation and sense of entitlement on the part of victims and their families that they can see wrong doers suffer for their pleasure.

    I think that expectation would likely encourage some to take justice into their own hands more often - which even aside from the risk to persons wrongly accused, would likely only perpetuate endless cycles of violence.


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    #55
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    So then its ok to put this guy down.

    Our so called progressive society let terminal sick people suffer but a serial rapist has choices?

    It's not our society, is it. It's Belgium - where terminally sick people don't have to suffer and can equally seek euthanasia if they wish.


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    #56
    chupacabra
    Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    allibastor wrote: »
    Why is it a joke, He has been in prison for 30 years and has deemed himself not to be suitable for parole. He obviously knows he is a danger and doesn't wish to be so.

    If only every scum bag was this caring.

    It shouldnt matter what he thinks or how "caring" he is. He deserves to suffer. 30 years is nothing compared to the horror this subhuman has inflicted.


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    #57
    manonboard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    So then its ok to put this guy down.

    Our so called progressive society let terminal sick people suffer but a serial rapist has choices?

    yes I'm of the opinion its OK to put this guy down (because he chooses it).

    Well although they are two completely different issues, Yes our irish society currently let terminal sick people suffer in ireland, but this is in belgium, from what a quick google search turns up, they also allow euthanasia for sick people.

    It makes little sense to compare the two scenarios as what's right for one may not be right for the other, but in this case, they seem to be congruent (terminally ill in belgium and serial rapist in belgium)

    A progressive society doesnt necessarily infer it's complete, it's evolving and these things take time. It's unlikely ever to reach a state where everyone is happy and everything balances with all similarities.


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    #58
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    chupacabra wrote: »
    It shouldnt matter what he thinks or how "caring" he is. He deserves to suffer. 30 years is nothing compared to the horror this subhuman has inflicted.

    But that is my point, He has inflicted pain and suffering on people with his horrible crimes.

    But he is also saying that he doesn't wish to live as he knows he will never change. Why not let him die. I am all for eye for an eye. I don't think by him dying that it is an easy way out. when your dead your dead. Even in prison he can still have some good moments or some good parts of life. Why give them to him, and if he is the one who wants to die let him off, saves the tax payer money they can put towards something useful.


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    #59
    chupacabra
    Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    allibastor wrote: »
    But that is my point, He has inflicted pain and suffering on people with his horrible crimes.

    But he is also saying that he doesn't wish to live as he knows he will never change. Why not let him die. I am all for eye for an eye. I don't think by him dying that it is an easy way out. when your dead your dead. Even in prison he can still have some good moments or some good parts of life. Why give them to him, and if he is the one who wants to die let him off, saves the tax payer money they can put towards something useful.

    I just have a problem with the fact that he is dying on his own terms. He shouldnt be given the satisfaction of it, as odd as that sounds. For him its a way out of whatever mental anguish he is suffering. He didnt give his victims a choice and so he shouldnt have the choice either.


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    #60
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    chupacabra wrote: »
    I just have a problem with the fact that he is dying on his own terms. He shouldnt be given the satisfaction of it, as odd as that sounds. For him its a way out of whatever mental anguish he is suffering. He didnt give his victims a choice and so he shouldnt have the choice either.



    But he is not dying on his own terms, really is he.

    He is still in prison and has been for 30 years. He is still living with what he did. He still now thinks that he is a no hoper and should just end it.

    At the end of the day it costs the tax payer a good bit of money to keep him in prison, this money could go towards an operation for a child or something similar.

    As said I fully believe people who do the crimes he has committed should get a similar punishment, but at the same time, dead is dead, there is nothing here for you after that so he wont get to do anything else again, ever.


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    #61
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    manonboard wrote: »
    yes I'm of the opinion its OK to put this guy down (because he chooses it).

    Well although they are two completely different issues, Yes our irish society currently let terminal sick people suffer in ireland, but this is in belgium, from what a quick google search turns up, they also allow euthanasia for sick people.

    It makes little sense to compare the two scenarios as what's right for one may not be right for the other, but in this case, they seem to be congruent (terminally ill in belgium and serial rapist in belgium)

    A progressive society doesnt necessarily infer it's complete, it's evolving and these things take time. It's unlikely ever to reach a state where everyone is happy and everything balances with all similarities.

    But why should he have any choices?


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