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3rd Antichrist?

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    #62
    Voodoo_rasher
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    Why must the ANtichrist be an all powerful commanding figure on the world stage , when it could be an ordinary Joe Soap??

    I shall make the claim of being the Antichrist. My special numbers are 911 and 666. I no longer have a Soul because medication of Abilify took it away.
    Also, I do not have special powers . To predict the future or be in 2 places at once.


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    #63
    Voodoo_rasher
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    In order to purchase things with Bitcoin in the future, everybody will need to be microchipped/rfid'ed. The only way to rid yourself of the chip is to cut your hand off.


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    #64
    BuilderPlumber
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Doubt TM 'as the AC' very much. It's a bit of a surprise to everyone she's still PM (as mentioned on the list of 14 above). The whole subject of Brexit is a complicated one, with a near even split either way. The new order don't want it, the old order does (the exit).

    Both Trump and Brexit are probably the biggest political shock events in to occur within the last few decades. Moves towards Italiaxit may well begin during the summer of '18, as some suggested.

    The next 'AC' (if there is such a thing) will be someone obsessed with control, control and then some more control. Everyone will be tagged/microchipped/rfid within 10yrs so that will certainly factor into it.

    Sounds like Skyfall and SPECTRE!


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    #65
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Plenty of Nostradamus stuff here relating to 'events to come', but could well just refer to the Ottoman Empire and the early Crusades.
    The only reference to the 3AC related to something freezing off Canada.

    http://www.michelnostradamus.org/quatrainsfuture.html


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    #66
    Cheerful Spring
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Plenty of Nostradamus stuff here relating to 'events to come', but could well just refer to the Ottoman Empire and the early Crusades.
    The only reference to the 3AC related to something freezing off Canada.

    http://www.michelnostradamus.org/quatrainsfuture.html

    Nostradamus prediction is nonsense, nobody knows what the quatrains are about. Guy lived hundreds of years ago so we can't ask him can you explain this, please.


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    #67
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Nostradamus prediction is nonsense, nobody knows what the quatrains are about. Guy lived hundreds of years ago so we can't ask him can you explain this, please.

    The quatrains where written in a form of code for a reason, but it's not encryption, just a type of phraseology open to interpretation.

    It's certainly not to taken as literal, but they do all seem to contain a type of theme about the downfall of Europe.

    Plenty of other lads also wrote semi-fiction bestsellers hundreds or thousands of years ago, in different sociological times to today e.g. The Book of Revelations, and are often taken very literally.


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    #68
    Cheerful Spring
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    The quatrains where written in a form of code for a reason, but it's not encryption, just a type of phraseology open to interpretation.

    It's certainly not to taken as literal, but they do all seem to contain a type of theme about the downfall of Europe.

    Plenty of other lads also wrote semi-fiction bestsellers hundreds or thousands of years ago, in different sociological times to today e.g. The Book of Revelations, and are often taken very literally.

    Yes, but nobody has deciphered them, and there no way to know if Nostradamus was seeing the future our he was just a madman writing down stuff for the audience in his time or was a quick buck scheme? My main problem is every year Nostramadus quatrain is predicting a world disaster. The guessing is the most annoying part, for me.


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    #69
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Yes, but nobody has deciphered them

    Yes many did (to an extent after translation). Did you even read the link above, no? This is the very 1st one, that sounds like operation IRQ Freedom of 1991:


    (Centurie 3 Quatrain 61) 3,61: The armies of Christendom gather on borders of the lrak. Syria observes with an interested eye.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    and there no way to know if Nostradamus was seeing the future our he was just a madman writing down stuff for the audience in his time or was a quick buck scheme?

    Same for all seers, religions or mystics. He had to write them as poetry to avoid detection, so not the best marketing tactic. There was no great adwords monitisation or mass publishing back in those days anyway.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    My main problem is every year Nostramadus quatrain is predicting a world disaster. The guessing is the most annoying part, for me.

    They were never predicted 'by/for each year' so yet another false presumption from yourself. Not always a disaster neither e.g. Blockchain and move away from the fiat dollar:

    4,30 : The world eleven economic recessions foreseen by the magus. An economist of genius eventually finds a definitive solution to this cyclic problem. Events at the same time of the past and of the future.


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    #70
    King Mob
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Same for all seers, religions or mystics. He had to write them as poetry to avoid detection, so not the best marketing tactic. There was no great adwords monitisation or mass publishing back in those days anyway.
    So he had to make his predictions not look like predictions.
    He also couldn't make them specific or accurate in terms of dates or events.
    And they can only be interpreted in hindsight and can be done so for many different, unconnected events for the same passage...

    Sounds an awful lot like it's nonsense...


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    #71
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    King Mob wrote: »
    So he had to make his predictions not look like predictions.
    He also couldn't make them specific or accurate in terms of dates or events.
    And they can only be interpreted in hindsight and can be done so for many different, unconnected events for the same passage...

    Sounds an awful lot like it's nonsense...

    Yes, much like the revelations in the little book that used to be found in most hotels throughout the world, and all other sky-god equivalents.

    Some are very specific indeed, but to ask for the exact date and time is a bit like asking the time-traveler chap over on the other forum. for tonight's 2018-03-09 20:00hrs Euromillions numbers (which btw, may well contain numbers 4, 16 and/or 40-43).


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    #72
    NIMAN
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    Anyone who has ever read about Nostradamus knows that you can twist his writings to fit any scenario you want.

    There is no one way to decipher them either, different people have different methods and as such get different meanings.

    His writings are tied to events after they happen, not before. So it's not a predictor, but just something people twist afterwards.

    It's all bunkum if you ask me.


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    #73
    King Mob
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Some are very specific indeed,
    For example?
    Please point to a prediction he made that
    1) can be clearly shown to be one of his.
    2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
    3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    but to ask for the exact date and time is a bit like asking the time-traveler chap over on the other forum. for tonight's 2018-03-09 20:00hrs Euromillions numbers (which btw, may well contain numbers 4, 16 and/or 40-43).
    Why not?
    Why would a date or specific details be so hard?
    Is he not predicting the future?


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    #74
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    King Mob wrote: »
    For example?
    Please point to a prediction he made that
    1) can be clearly shown to be one of his.
    2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
    3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

    Why not?
    Why would a date or specific details be so hard?
    Is he not predicting the future?

    Plenty of them have specifics, if you ever care to browse the translation and many, many interpretations.

    Don't believe them all as scientific truth of course, simply 'interesting', is all.

    And all your arguments can be exactly applied similarly for all and every books or written documentation from the various worldly skygods and such like.

    So you may as well discount all and every known religions, prophets, visions and seers in one go.


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    #75
    King Mob
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Plenty of them have specifics, if you ever care to browse the translation and many, many interpretations.
    Cool. Please point to them using the criteria I posted above.

    Which is his most convincing or accurate or "interesting" prediction in your opinion?
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    And all your arguments can be exactly applied similarly for all and every books or written documentation from the various worldly skygods and such like.

    So you may as well discount all and every known religions, prophets, visions and seers in one go.
    I do.
    None of these people have ever shown any kind of predictive power.
    Nostrodamus is no different.

    So again, why is he not able to give specifics?

    What about his claims are any more "interesting" than any of the thousands of other clearly nonsense claims of future sight?


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    #76
    BuilderPlumber
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    The funny thing about the third anti-Christ is he has changed so often. At the moment, Vladimir Putin is often the most popular candidate but he is one of many Russian leaders who have been considered. Trump was considered too but he too is one of many American presidents to be listed (IIRC, each one of the preceding 4 US presidents were also proposed as the third anti-Christ). It is inevitable that the leader of a powerful country will get listed. As well, the latest bogeyman will be listed. Saddam in particular was and there was an attempt to make out Nostradamus predicted the anti-Christ as Saddam spelled backwards as Mabbas which is like Mabus.

    But if one believes in Nostradamus as fact (I don't personally and see it as the medieval answer to Mad Max or Blade Runner as a prediction of a bleak future), US politician Ray Mabus or Saudi king in waiting Mohammed bin Salman known as MBS would be the more obvious choices.


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    #77
    branie2
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    The Man Who saw Tomorrow was spoofed in yesterday's new episode of the Simpsons on Sky One


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    #78
    Cheerful Spring
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Yes many did (to an extent after translation). Did you even read the link above, no? This is the very 1st one, that sounds like operation IRQ Freedom of 1991:


    (Centurie 3 Quatrain 61) 3,61: The armies of Christendom gather on borders of the lrak. Syria observes with an interested eye.

    .

    I have reviewed and read most of Nostradamus quatrains and none of them are describing future events in a clear way people would understand.

    Even the Quatrain you reveal here is not accurate.

    Century 3 Quatrain 61 in Nostradamus French is this.
    La grande bande & secte crucigere,
    Se dressera en Mesopotamie:
    Du proche fleuue compagnie legere,
    Que telle loy tiendra pour ennemie.

    English translation. There is no way you can say Nostradamus is talking about Iraq Invasion 1991
    The great band and sect of crusaders
    Will be arrayed in Mesopotamia:
    Light company of the nearby river,
    That such law will hold for an enemy.


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    #79
    Ipso
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    Only if you assume Iraqi history started the day before.


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    #80
    BuilderPlumber
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    The problem with a lot of the Nostradamus stuff is it can be reimagined for any current or recent events. The Middle East was often in the thoughts of Europeans back then and we can now interpret Nostradamus' writings in light of today's events. You will see Mohammed bin Salman, future king of Saudi Arabia and known as MBS, referred to more and more as Mabus. He ticks all the boxes. He is from the Middle East, is initially seen as a force for good but also has a hostile side. Just like Saddam in other words who too was seen as a force for good prior to 1990 and who always showed a hostile side. Most of these leaders are and were a mix of good and bad with a lot of similarities. That Nostradamus' Mabus would share traits with modern Middle Eastern leaders comes as no surprise. Most fictional bad guys who lead countries, territories or organisations would be very similar. Mohammed bin Salman is a product of his times. On one hand, he sees himself as the next leader of a country with a very bad PR image and wants to reform it by getting rid of nonsense like dress codes. On the other hand, he wants to be number one regional superpower in the Middle East and this is also part of his modernisation drive. We have seen leaders like this before in the Middle East who also were predicted to be Mabus.


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    #81
    BuilderPlumber
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    Mohammed bin Salman is perhaps really the closest to Nostradamus' third anti-Christ. He is in a unique position where he is caught between a desire to modernise and for his family to cling onto power. He is initially being seen as a force for good. Women's rights improved, drinkers rights to improve, Saudi Arabia to distance itself from intolerant interpretations of Islam and terrorist groups will be some of his legacy. His OTHER desire is what could set trouble in motion and pit him against 2 superpowers. His other desire is to defeat Iran possibly by war. What does that mean?

    Iran = Russian ally. Trump = Russian ally. Saudi Arabia = Trump ally. Iran = Trump ally (denies it officially). Saudi Arabia attacks Iran = potentially seen as declaration of war on Russia and America. The mask of pretend and fake enemies slip and Saudi Arabia sees itself at war not with Iran but with Putin and Putin's American stooges. MBS/Mabus then has to turn to the ONLY source he knows to defeat conventional enemies: Islamic terrorists. From there, anything can develop.

    Personally, I do not think MBS will be allowed go to war with Iran. Too risky. Instead, it is more likely this cold oil war will see both MBS and Iran fight proxies in poorer states.


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    King Mob
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Mohammed bin Salman is perhaps really the closest to Nostradamus' third anti-Christ. He is in a unique position where he is caught between a desire to modernise and for his family to cling onto power. He is initially being seen as a force for good. Women's rights improved, drinkers rights to improve, Saudi Arabia to distance itself from intolerant interpretations of Islam and terrorist groups will be some of his legacy. His OTHER desire is what could set trouble in motion and pit him against 2 superpowers. His other desire is to defeat Iran possibly by war. What does that mean?

    Iran = Russian ally. Trump = Russian ally. Saudi Arabia = Trump ally. Iran = Trump ally (denies it officially). Saudi Arabia attacks Iran = potentially seen as declaration of war on Russia and America. The mask of pretend and fake enemies slip and Saudi Arabia sees itself at war not with Iran but with Putin and Putin's American stooges. MBS/Mabus then has to turn to the ONLY source he knows to defeat conventional enemies: Islamic terrorists. From there, anything can develop.

    Personally, I do not think MBS will be allowed go to war with Iran. Too risky. Instead, it is more likely this cold oil war will see both MBS and Iran fight proxies in poorer states.
    I'm confused, do you think that Nostrodamus could actually magically see the future?
    If so, how?
    If not, what relevance does Nostrodamus have?


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    #83
    BuilderPlumber
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    King Mob wrote: »
    I'm confused, do you think that Nostrodamus could actually magically see the future?
    If so, how?
    If not, what relevance does Nostrodamus have?

    I personally do not think Nostradamus could magically see the future. It is like interpreting the reasons for the worlds in Mad Max, The Handmaid's Tale or Blade Runner through today's events. Nostradamus is futuristic fiction but others take his word as gospel.

    Predicting anti-Christs is easy. They have and will come. Someone wanting to dominate the world has always been a constant and modern examples like ISIS as well as superpowers like the West and Russia are all part of that. Saudi Arabia and Iran meanwhile are locked into a cold oil war but I do not think either one would risk direct war as there would be no winners. By Middle Eastern standards, both countries are stable and do not want to risk that.


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    #84
    King Mob
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    I personally do not think Nostradamus could magically see the future. It is like interpreting the reasons for the worlds in Mad Max, The Handmaid's Tale or Blade Runner through today's events. Nostradamus is futuristic fiction but others take his word as gospel.
    So what relevance does he have and why would it matter that some guy has a vaguely similar name to the one supposedly predicted by Nostrodamus?

    If your theories have nothing to do with Nostradamus, what relevance does this have in conspiracy theories?


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    4068ac1elhodqr
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    By entirely dismissing all elements of Nostradamus, you may as well dismiss 'all prophets' including the world's two largest religions and thus the voiding the title of this thread or indeed any reference to the 'AC'. Nostradamus rise to fame from an age of conservatism and without facebook or any form of mass media is curious.

    Whilst certainly not 'gospel' there may be 'small elements of usefulness' in such seers.
    There are plenty others out there over the centuries, another more recent one is 'Baga Vanga'.

    Horror, horror! The American brothers will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing.
    — Predicted in 1989 by Baba Vanga

    Baba also worryingly predicted Ruska could take over or destroy the world if it so chooses.
    Just today, the Pent' admitted it's defenselessness in the face of their new hypersonic throwing sticks from, which have the ability to change course very quickly at extreme speeds.

    Another more modern current one with about 80% margin of correctness predicted both Brexit and Trump. Also said Italy, then Denmark would leave the euro next.
    Today, the market price on exchanges for Italy to leave next, is half of what it was last year, even shorter than Greece.


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    #86
    King Mob
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    By entirely dismissing all elements of Nostradamus, you may as well dismiss 'all prophets' including the world's two largest religions and thus the voiding the title of this thread or indeed any reference to the 'AC'. Nostradamus rise to fame from an age of conservatism and without facebook or any form of mass media is curious.
    Again, I do dismiss all seers as none of them have ever been able to demonstrate any predictive power in an objective way.
    Nostradamus is no different as you have not supplied an example of one of his predictions that stands up to any scrutiny.

    Also, and this is an important point, seers cannot exist because there's no such thing as magic.
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Whilst certainly not 'gospel' there may be 'small elements of usefulness' in such seers.
    How? Especially given that their powers only seem to be true after the events they predict and all of their misfires are ignored.
    And again, no magic, so there's no way their predictions could be accurate.
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    There are plenty others out there over the centuries, another more recent one is 'Baga Vanga'.

    Horror, horror! The American brothers will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing.
    — Predicted in 1989 by Baba Vanga
    Another seer who's touted all over the internet, but another one I wager you've never bothered to examine or question.

    For example, how do you know that they actually said that supposed quote?
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Another more modern current one with about 80% margin of correctness predicted both Brexit and Trump. Also said Italy, then Denmark would leave the euro next.
    Which one and when?
    Why do they only have 80% correctness? Can they only see 80% of the future?

    When will Italy and Denmark leave the euro? And why can the people who can magically see the future not be specific about it?


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    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.

    Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?


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    Ipso
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.

    Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?

    What an unusual question. Let me guess, people who don't believe in Roswell, Mj12, the stuff the fella from Blink 182 sells or anal probing green men aren't open minded.


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    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Ipso wrote: »
    What an unusual question. Let me guess, people who don't believe in Roswell, Mj12, the stuff the fella from Blink 182 sells or anal probing green men aren't open minded.

    Let the King Mob answer, without this gibberish. He clearly doubts all that isn't proven so.
    Naturally he should immediately deny any possibility of existence of life outside of Earth.


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    beefburrito
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    I read all the holy books and I seriously think they're so ingrained into our psyche going down through the age's...

    It's easy to see how the book of revelations can be manipulated to identify with current war's and political intrigue.

    Most of the war's are concentrated in one area...


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    King Mob
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    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.
    I'm not asking for anything to be presented "black and white, laid out on a plate."

    I'm asking why you think that there's something to the notion of people being able to magically see the future.

    My running theory is that you have just read it on the internet and you have never bothered to look at it with any scrutiny or scepticism.
    You dodging and dismissing my questions isn't doing much to dissuade me from that theory.

    We can try again however:
    Please point to a prediction that Nostradamus or any seer has made that
    1) can be clearly shown to be one of theirs.
    2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
    3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

    If you can't point to a single example of this that meets these really basic criteria, then please explain why you believe anyone can magically see the future?
    Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »
    Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?
    No.
    What a silly irrelevant question...:confused:


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