Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Adamcp898

bangkok wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9743435/manchester-united-boss-louis-van-gaal-urging-his-players-to-look-forward

I don't get this and one of the reasons I don't like why he never gets out of his seat to give the players some instructions during the game

I can't stand it when football is dumbed down to bollocks reasoning like "stop playing back passes and we'll have more attacking moves" when what should be discussed is how can United can move the ball with more fluidity through the stages instead of having to revert back to the goalkeeper to start again. In an effort it try and make something more relatable, it only succeeds in missing the point completely.

bangkok

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

Instructions that many people have said players can't hear anyway in a noisy stadium.

of course they can hear, manager just needs to go to the sideline and call the player over, seems to work fine for all other 19 managers in the league

bangkok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVsd5Rq2Wg

Evans fairly woke up after that, united won 3-2

secman

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I can't stand it when football is dumbed down to bollocks reasoning like "stop playing back passes and we'll have more attacking moves" when what should be discussed is how can United can move the ball with more fluidity through the stages instead of having to revert back to the goalkeeper to start again. In an effort it try and make something more relatable, it only succeeds in missing the point completely.

I'll flip that and say can't stand it when footy is over complicated, it's a relatively simple straight forward game at the end of the day.

bangkok

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What's the point in a manager telling a player to concentrate or do something that's not a change to tactics.

They are well drilled in tactics and know the gameplay. They aren't idiots.

Shouting at a professional adult is treating him like an idiot.

They know they played a bad pass, what's the point in getting up and shouting at them. It's retarded.

so next time you go to a game, think about that when you are shouting at the ref for not giving united a peno

The Moldy Gowl

bangkok wrote: »

so next time you go to a game, think about that when you are shouting at the ref for not giving united a peno

I cringe when people do it.

I think less of people who do it, it's one Of the most insidious aspects of all sport. It just breeds a culture of ignorant hate. Fans cry about respect but then say disgusting things about other fan groups or players.

Look at things like the Munich crash and hills borough.

I don't have a dislike over Liverpool like most utd supporters. Why should I? The rivalry is good, especially on this forum with the 2 groups of us. We are all brothers having the same passion for a sport.

But I'm off topic now and boo Liverpool, worst fans in the world etc etc

TheDoc

Liam O wrote: »

Just got sick a little thinking of United signing Lukaku.

Hopefully some sort of reduced deal can be done for Falcao, it's more the system than him. He'll tear it up wherever he goes which will destroy me.

Really, why?

He's an exceptional player and if you are into the stats, at his age there is rarely a player about that can match him for games played and goals scored.

Into his third year of premier league experience, he is on the right track to becoming a star centre forward and has a tremendous attitude and work ethic in training.

I'd be all over him, pretty versatile striker as well being as good with the ball into feet as dealing with balls up high.

Trond

Lukaku is far from exceptional ffs

Adamcp898

secman wrote: »

I'll flip that and say can't stand it when footy is over complicated, it's a relatively simple straight forward game at the end of the day.

I'll put it like this, the direction of the passing isn't the problem, it's the manner by which it's happening i.e. lacks fluidity and pace.

It's a gross simplification to say "we pass the ball backwards too much" because it's possible to be successful whilst using a lot of backwards and sideways movements.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

of course they can hear, manager just needs to go to the sideline and call the player over, seems to work fine for all other 19 managers in the league

Well the counter argument is that the managers doing it are pandering to the crowd and putting on an appearance, and their players arn't responding at all.

Nothing irks me more then the weird micro managing manager, who feels the need to micro manage his team when the opposition have a throw on the half way.

It's a really old trait of that "he kicks every ball" ****e.

When Van Gaal wants a message relayed, Giggs gets off the bench and goes and gives it, either to whose on his near side, or shouting across.

That's struggling to find a stick to beat him with.

Mourinho walks the line to be dramatic and harass the 4th official and make sure everyone in the ground can see how upset he is.

Guardiola is an absolute lunatic on the sideline and get's too micro managey, Simeone is the same.

Spend a game watching either of the above and see if you can work out what the **** they are trying to convey when they are frantically waving their arms.

I don't see the problem, plenty of times during the game Giggs is up giving instruction if Van Gaal wants to exploit something he sees, or resolve something he sees. Other then that, he sets the team out and believes they should know what they are doing.

Ferguson did it for most of his latter years sending an assistant out to give instruction if required, but he sat back and took it all in. Only down on the line if he wanted to harass a referee.

I for one like how our manager doesn't harass and bager officials and the 4th official during the course of a game. It's a touch of class and a refreshing change. I think I recall him mentioning a referee once, and it was misinterpreted after the FA cup game.

Robson99

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What's the point in a manager telling a player to concentrate or do something that's not a change to tactics.

They are well drilled in tactics and know the gameplay. They aren't idiots.

Shouting at a professional adult is treating him like an idiot.

They know they played a bad pass, what's the point in getting up and shouting at them. It's retarded.

So keano and fergie were retards??? Some players need a a good b*llocking from time time the same way as some need to be Molly coddled. We won a fair few games from fergie and keano getting stuck into some of them.

kryogen

secman wrote: »

So SAF was retarded ?

That is clearly not what he said, and Fergie wasn't a touchline manager either particularly as he got older. He would normally stay in his seat, he ventured down when angry at times alright, that fire never left him but often just sent an assistant if there was something he wanted passed on to a player. This normally happened at a break of play, he was not the ranting and raving touchline manager.

Van Gaal has never been a touchline manager, he goes now and then but it would be very rare. Why should he change how he manages to pacify people who enjoy the theatre of it?

Cantona's Collars

L'Equipe: Manchester United have given Monaco their final decision over Radamel Falcao. They will not be buying the Colombian.

Pro. F

Taking issue with a manager's quiet demeanour on the sidelines is on a par with complaining about assistant managers even when we know nothing about how they are working. These types of complaints are symptoms of fuzzy thinking.

The Moldy Gowl

Robson99 wrote: »

So keano and fergie were retards??? Some players need a a good b*llocking from time time the same way as some need to be Molly coddled. We won a fair few games from fergie and keano getting stuck into some of them.

If an adult at the top of his sports career needs a bollocking, then he isn't very good and shouldn't be playing. Fair enough for under 25s who think they Are the worlds greatest by virtue of being a male under 25 but they will have matured a lot faster than you and I.

When we were sipping warm fosters in college they are out there training for matches. They know what is expected of them.

Robson99

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If an adult at the top of his sports career needs a bollocking, then he isn't very good and shouldn't be playing. Fair enough for under 25s who think they Are the worlds greatest by virtue of being a male under 25 but they will have matured a lot faster than you and I.

When we were sipping warm fosters in college they are out there training for matches. They know what is expected of them.

OK so your saying now its OK to bollock them when they are under 25. That makes ssense

The Moldy Gowl

Robson99 wrote: »

OK so your saying now its OK to bollock them when they are under 25. That makes ssense

Yeah sure whatever you want to think.

Cantona's Collars

I despised Liverpool doing this back in the 80's,now we are at it.I know LVG wants top 4 at all costs but being too cautious leads to discontent in the stands.

bangkok

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If an adult at the top of his sports career needs a bollocking, then he isn't very good and shouldn't be playing. Fair enough for under 25s who think they Are the worlds greatest by virtue of being a male under 25 but they will have matured a lot faster than you and I.

When we were sipping warm fosters in college they are out there training for matches. They know what is expected of them.

so they matured quicker than both you and I as they were out training for matches?! that makes zero sense

bangkok

zerks wrote: »

I despised Liverpool doing this back in the 80's,now we are at it.I know LVG wants top 4 at all costs but being too cautious leads to discontent in the stands.

yea and at least in the 80's the keeper could pick the ball up to waste a bit of time, we are passing it back to him as we are terrified to try anything positive

Pro. F

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If an adult at the top of his sports career needs a bollocking, then he isn't very good and shouldn't be playing. Fair enough for under 25s who think they Are the worlds greatest by virtue of being a male under 25 but they will have matured a lot faster than you and I.

When we were sipping warm fosters in college they are out there training for matches. They know what is expected of them.

I disagree with that. Football is an odd sport in that it rewards skill over attitude and athletic ability a lot more than most ball games, so bollocking, shouty leadership is useful for keeping the players focused who would otherwise lack the specific type of self discipline required. But the manager is not necessarily the best placed to do that while the team are on the pitch.

keane2097

If there's one thing you always hear players say, it's that managers roaring at them during games is crucial to their performance.

bucketybuck

I would have far more concerns about what LVG is shouting on the training field than what he is shouting on the touchline during games.

The Moldy Gowl

Pro. F wrote: »

I disagree with that. Football is an odd sport in that it rewards skill over attitude and athletic ability a lot more than most ball games, so bollocking, shouty leadership is useful for keeping the players focused who would otherwise lack the specific type of self discipline required. But the manager is not necessarily the best placed to do that while the team are on the pitch.

I agree with you alright. It should be the experienced team mates.

I would think that at the top level, attitude counts for a lot which is why pogba isn't with us and why Ronaldo is so good.

You can train technique if they have the right attitude. Doc had a good post yesterday about 2 lads he knew.

Maybe I think about soccer all wrong. I always try humanise them and try apply my life to theirs

BKtje

secman wrote: »

So SAF was retarded ?

Didn't he say that it was mostly for the fans, same with his watch antics?

Rayne Wooney

Few of the papers with quotes from Van Gaal, says we need to avoid unnecessary loss of the ball to improve and that more possession will lead to less goals conceded


So anyone that wants to see us take more risks will be disappointed

bangkok

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Few of the papers with quotes from Van Gaal, says we need to avoid unnecessary loss of the ball to improve and that more possession will lead to less goals conceded


So anyone that wants to see us take more risks will be disappointed

van gaal is basically a foreign version of David Moyes

Maximus Alexander

bangkok wrote: »

van gaal is basically a foreign version of David Moyes

David Moyes is also foreign. Does that mean they're actually the same person?

bangkok

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

David Moyes is also foreign. Does that mean they're actually the same person?

Moyes is from the UK

thelad95

Pro. F wrote: »

Taking issue with a manager's quiet demeanour on the sidelines is on a par with complaining about assistant managers even when we know nothing about how they are working. These types of complaints are symptoms of fuzzy thinking.

To be honest, even playing on a very low level, I find having a manager screaming at you from the sidelines incredibly annoying and unhelpful. More often than not, unless they're telling you about a change of position or whatever it's just them venting frustration. I think the fact that LVG stays sitting on the sideline shows he is confident in his game plan and in the team he's selected. In saying that, on many occassions this season, too many of our players have looked lost on the pitch so a little bit of guidance from the sideline may not go astray.

bangkok wrote: »

van gaal is basically a foreign version of David Moyes

You get a lot of stick on this thread, some of which is unwarranted. You're not doing yourself any favours by coming out with comments like this however.