rich people richer poor people poorer

turnikett1

RobertKK wrote: »

So what are poorer people doing to make themselves richer?

If doing the same thing all the time, do they expect to get richer?

Stupid, lazy poor people right? Why dont they just BUY MORE MONEY!?

turnikett1

realtalk101 wrote: »

Ireland is becoming a very classed based country ,people tend to date and marry in their own social class ,another factor is the rise of women who are more than half the workforce now, and they prefer to marry or date men who make the same or more money than them, so these factors contribute to us becoming more economically divided

As a sociology student I feel like I have a bit of authority on this subject and Id just like to say that is absolute balderdash. In my experience of travelling around the world including all over Europe, Ireland is one of the least classist societies going. Bar the glaringly obvious examples such as a businessman in a Merc parked beside a homeless person, you will be hard pressed to find many examples of class division. Yes, they do exist (on a more subtler level too), but to say that "people tend to date and marry in their own social class" is ridiculous - are you recently back from the UK?

anonyanony

The One Doctor wrote: »

I'm a bit confused. Can someone explain why I need two cars and regular holidays to be happy?

Society tells you need it, you probably be happier if you gave up the rat race altogether.

Son Of A Vidic

RobertKK wrote: »

So what are poorer people doing to make themselves richer?

If doing the same thing all the time, do they expect to get richer?

Well I suppose one could argue, when people are paying taxes through their nose for the crimes of the 1%. The 1% whom thanks to the recession are now richer than ever. Then it does become harder for poorer folk to get off their knees. Life is pretty easy when it's a win-win and others will always cover your losses.

realtalk101

MR sociology student >so your saying Ireland could survive up to 26.94 unemployment with no social welfare ,

yipeeeee

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Well I suppose one could argue, when people are paying taxes through their nose for the crimes of the 1%. The 1% whom thanks to the recession are now richer than ever. Then it does become harder for poorer folk to get off their knees. Life is pretty easy when it's a win-win and others will always cover your losses.

In fairness a lot more than 1% bought wrecklessy during the boom.

People buying houses they couldn't afford.

Lovely Bloke

The One Doctor wrote: »

I'm a bit confused. Can someone explain why I need two cars and regular holidays to be happy?

I never said that you do need those things, only that three years ago we couldn't afford them, and now we can.

I used to be poor, now I'm rich, and will be even richer after Xmas, so YIPPEE!! for me.

ireland.man

RobertKK wrote: »

So what are poorer people doing to make themselves richer?

If doing the same thing all the time, do they expect to get richer?

So structural causes of poverty don't exist. There was no economic depression in history, only poor people who didn't get up and make themselves rich. The key to economic success is wanting to have money and work towards it. Also, reptilian humanoids run our governments.

AboutaWeekAgo

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I never said that you do need those things, only that three years ago we couldn't afford them, and now we can.

I used to be poor, now I'm rich, and will be even richer after Xmas, so YIPPEE!! for me.

Were you this humble when you were broke as well?

Idbatterim

why shouldnt the ones paying through the nose benefit most? The rich getting richer shocker, when you have that much money, you either know what you are doing with it or get someone to manage or advise you on it!

Capt'n Midnight

Idbatterim wrote: »

why shouldnt the ones paying through the nose benefit most? The rich getting richer shocker, when you have that much money, you either know what you are doing with it or get someone to manage or advise you on it!

or you can afford tax dodges the rest of us can't, like moving money offshore or setting up shell companies or availing of special tax write off schemes the rest of us could never afford

look at how the money was offshored when DIRT came in

you only have to see the history of tax amnesties here to see how the very rich can get away with stuff repeatedly , though a lot of people at the lower levels were ill advised by their financial advisers

"if you owe the bank €300,000 that's your problem, but if you owe the bank €300 million then it's the banks problem"

A bank can foreclose on a mortgage but would have to keep bailing out someone who sink them if they don't repay.

gene_slackman

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Those would be the same retired people who were paying 62% of their income in tax and endured numerous recession periods already?

Yeah, pensioners don't just appear out of the blue either, they have contributed a hell of a lot more to the economy over their working life than someone who is young and unemployed who has yet to contribute to the economy.

actually the majority of those in receipt of the state pension will draw down four times more than they contributed in PRSI during their lives , PRSI obligations were very basic in this country for to qualify for the contributory pension and besides the non contributory is only 11 euro per week less which you get even you never paid a red cent in tax down the years

gene_slackman

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Globally the number of billionaires has double during the recession

oxfam have some truly depressing statistics

roughly speaking the number of deaths every year from cancer globally is the same as deaths per year from poverty that would be prevented had the richest 500 spent their increase in assets on them.

recessions - crashes are fantastic opportunites to pick up assets at firesale prices

stocks were for nothing in early 2009 , had i known anything about them at the time , id be worth three times what i am today

knowledge is as important as cash when it comes to growing wealth

gene_slackman

realtalk101 wrote: »

Ireland is becoming a very classed based country ,people tend to date and marry in their own social class ,another factor is the rise of women who are more than half the workforce now, and they prefer to marry or date men who make the same or more money than them, so these factors contribute to us becoming more economically divided

European countries like Spain are much more socially and economically diverse ,a lot of different classes mixed together, eg here in spain it's common to see men and women from different classes dating, That's why Spain can survive 26.94 unemployment and only a couple of months unemployment and not have 30% of the population on the street

ireland is fairly equal by most measures

those who earn most pay more than their fair share , i exclude the handful of mega rich exiles

gene_slackman

turnikett1 wrote: »

As a sociology student I feel like I have a bit of authority on this subject and Id just like to say that is absolute balderdash. In my experience of travelling around the world including all over Europe, Ireland is one of the least classist societies going. Bar the glaringly obvious examples such as a businessman in a Merc parked beside a homeless person, you will be hard pressed to find many examples of class division. Yes, they do exist (on a more subtler level too), but to say that "people tend to date and marry in their own social class" is ridiculous - are you recently back from the UK?

never thought id see a sociology student tell it like it is

pleasant surprise

steddyeddy

yipeeeee wrote: »

In fairness a lot more than 1% bought wrecklessy during the boom.

People buying houses they couldn't afford.

And we had apparently educated people working in banks giving out those loans didn't we. A person working in a bank gave large sums of money to people who couldn't pay it back.

gene_slackman

ireland.man wrote: »

So structural causes of poverty don't exist. There was no economic depression in history, only poor people who didn't get up and make themselves rich. The key to economic success is wanting to have money and work towards it. Also, reptilian humanoids run our governments.

the key to growing wealth is to constantly spend less than you earn

warren buffett said that

SHOVELLER

Anyone ever notice how "poor" people always stand in the way?!

BoJack Horseman

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Anyone ever notice how "poor" people always stand in the way?!

Deploy the cow-catcher.

smcgiff

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Anyone ever notice how "poor" people always stand in the way?!

Only if you're trying to post a letter on a Wednesday morning.

Slutmonkey57b

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I never said that you do need those things, only that three years ago we couldn't afford them, and now we can.

I used to be poor, now I'm rich, and will be even richer after Xmas, so YIPPEE!! for me.

Here's your logic:
There is one job available.
There are 200 people going for it.
One person gets the job.
The other 199 just aren't trying hard enough to get a job!

Get a job, losers!

HardenendMan

It's very simple for me:

If I work hard / smart whatever and earn more money, I therefore pay more money through taxes into the pot. I am happy to pay it, for the greater good.

But then these socialist cnuts ignore my good deed above and say I should be contributing more. Fcek off! I think our progressive tax scales are about right with regard providing incentive to the driven people, and going easy on the less driven.

HardenendMan

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Here's your logic:
There is one job available.
There are 200 people going for it.
One person gets the job.
The other 199 just aren't trying hard enough to get a job!

Get a job, losers!

Can we not congratulate the one person who stood out from the crowd? The other 199 should strive to get to their level no?

HerrScheisse

turnikett1 wrote: »

As a sociology student I feel like I have a bit of authority on this subject and Id just like to say that is absolute balderdash. In my experience of travelling around the world including all over Europe, Ireland is one of the least classist societies going. Bar the glaringly obvious examples such as a businessman in a Merc parked beside a homeless person, you will be hard pressed to find many examples of class division. Yes, they do exist (on a more subtler level too), but to say that "people tend to date and marry in their own social class" is ridiculous - are you recently back from the UK?

Ho Ho Ho! True the British carry historical baggage to this day, but at least their class differentiation was clearly defined. To say that Ireland has a weak class division is a gross fallacy.

Annasopra

gene_slackman wrote: »

the key to growing wealth is to constantly spend less than you earn

warren buffett said that

Indeed - isnt that very easy for people who already wealth and almost impossible for those with none.

smcgiff

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Indeed - isnt that very easy for people who already wealth and almost impossible for those with none.

It's not easy, no. There are lots of temptations. Easier, of course.

Slutmonkey57b

HardenendMan wrote: »

Can we not congratulate the one person who stood out from the crowd? The other 199 should strive to get to their level no?

*Whoosh*

There was only 1 job.

The "level" anyone reached isn't relevant because only 1 person out of the 200 was ever going to get a job.

199 people could have had all the qualifications and experience in the world. Indeed, all 200 candidates could have been clones and it wouldn't matter.

Only 1 person was ever going to get a job.

Annasopra

smcgiff wrote: »

It's not easy, no. There are lots of temptations. Easier, of course.

Interesting you didnt dispute the other side of that.

Tatra

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Here's your logic:
There is one job available.
There are 200 people going for it.
One person gets the job.
The other 199 just aren't trying hard enough to get a job!

Get a job, losers!

You're assuming it is impossible for those people to create jobs for themselves.

smcgiff

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Interesting you didnt dispute the other side of that.

Dispute what?