Luas Red Line - not suitable for children

n97 mini

Brought my 9 year old son on it today. Heuston to the Point. He's too young to notice the junkies that keep to themselves but did notice the pair of junkies being frog marched off by STT after being told "you were seen on CCTV" whatever that means.

Return journey around 8pm, he was visibly frightened by the gangs, first of 8 feral children (between 7 and 12 y.o.) hurling abuse at junkies and throwing plastic bottles at them. They got off after a few stops to be replaced by another gang of scrotes, slightly older, who starting doing the same thing!

The Red Line really is a disgrace, and a lot of this is taking place within a short distance of Store Street Garda Station, but not a copper to be seen.

I won't be bringing him on the Red Line again.

FionnanBurke

I get the red line twice a day and a lot of the time its after 11.30pm. The gangs of kids are a nightmare and can be very intimidating. I wouldn't be bringing my kids on it in a hurry. But for the most part, I think STT do a good job. I wouldn't mess with those lads!!!

AlekSmart

FionnanBurke wrote: »

I get the red line twice a day and a lot of the time its after 11.30pm. The gangs of kids are a nightmare and can be very intimidating. I wouldn't be bringing my kids on it in a hurry. But for the most part, I think STT do a good job. I wouldn't mess with those lads!!!

Sadly the STT presence is a smoke & mirrors PR job....their actual powers are largely similar to a member of the public,with the significant difference being they KNOW the extent of their remit.

The Red-Line remains resolutely set on its track-to-the-bottom,a situation which BXD could greatly accelerate if it's introduction is not suitably well managed.

n97 mini

AlekSmart wrote: »

Sadly the STT presence is a smoke & mirrors PR job....their actual powers are largely similar to a member of the public,with the significant difference being they KNOW the extent of their remit.

The Red-Line remains resolutely set on its track-to-the-bottom,a situation which BXD could greatly accelerate if it's introduction is not suitably well managed.

With the absence of any actual police presence I'm very much in agreement. I think that Broombridge to Dame St will be more of the same.

Tow

If we introduced the level of policing they have on the Paris Metro it would clean up. The current system where the ticket inspectors don't even bother to ask the junkies and et all is a disgrace.

MGWR

AlekSmart wrote: »

Sadly the STT presence is a smoke & mirrors PR job....their actual powers are largely similar to a member of the public, with the significant difference being they KNOW the extent of their remit.

The Red-Line remains resolutely set on its track-to-the-bottom, a situation which BXD could greatly accelerate if its introduction is not suitably well managed.

Past is prologue; present even more so.

s8080

A DB inspector told me fines are a waste of time, to many bleeding hearts judges Let the perpetrators of crime/fare evasion off.(BOO HOO Their Life Is hard).
The PC brigade let the low lives get away with murder.
I’m have no doubt the LUAS is the same as DB.

Lugs Branigan is needed today to sort these low lives out

AngryLips

n97 mini wrote: »

Brought my 9 year old son on it today. Heuston to the Point. He's too young to notice the junkies that keep to themselves but did notice the pair of junkies being frog marched off by STT after being told "you were seen on CCTV" whatever that means.

Return journey around 8pm, he was visibly frightened by the gangs, first of 8 feral children (between 7 and 12 y.o.) hurling abuse at junkies and throwing plastic bottles at them. They got off after a few stops to be replaced by another gang of scrotes, slightly older, who starting doing the same thing!

So is your gripe with the antisocial behaviour on the red line or the efforts to police it?

n97 mini

AngryLips wrote: »

So is your gripe with the antisocial behaviour on the red line or the efforts to police it?

See thread title.

The_Pretender

Completely agree. And it doesn't get any better once you're out of the city. I've been attacked on the Red Line around Citywest before.

lolosaur

I really feel that your problem is not with the luas red line but with the people who eminate from Dublin.

It is a shame to say but a city build on whoring, theiving, slums has given way to a society of junkies, robbers, louts and general scum. take issue with what the city has become and dont blame the luas. They do what they can with what resources they have. It is not their job to clean up the scum of society. that starts with parents, teachers and police. look to the civil service and their complete lack of social and moral values they have instilled into inner city dublin. look to the justice system that doesnt enforce stricter penalties on junkies. look to yourself for turning your nose up at the problem, rather then taking action in some form.

dublin has very few redeeming features. the luas is one of its better ones though.

cdebru

lolosaur wrote: »

I really feel that your problem is not with the luas red line but with the people who eminate from Dublin.

It is a shame to say but a city build on whoring, theiving, slums has given way to a society of junkies, robbers, louts and general scum. take issue with what the city has become and dont blame the luas. They do what they can with what resources they have. It is not their job to clean up the scum of society. that starts with parents, teachers and police. look to the civil service and their complete lack of social and moral values they have instilled into inner city dublin. look to the justice system that doesnt enforce stricter penalties on junkies. look to yourself for turning your nose up at the problem, rather then taking action in some form.

dublin has very few redeeming features. the luas is one of its better ones though.

All cities have these people the difference in Dublin is that they are entitled to travel for free, so they use it as a mobile pharmacy to sell, buy and take drugs on and to stay out of the cold.

The main difference is that these people have free reign we could blame the Gardai or their complete absence from public transport but then again even when Gardai do bring these people before courts they seem to be allowed to deliver their sob story and continue to terrorize the ordinary decent people going about their business.

A transport police is ultimately what is desperately needed and hard to believe that the government is prepared to spend hundreds of millions on tram systems and disrupt the entire city for years building them but never give a thought to making them secure for the people who paid for them to use them.

lolosaur

cdebru wrote: »

All cities have these people the difference in Dublin is that they are entitled to travel for free, so they use it as a mobile pharmacy to sell, buy and take drugs on and to stay out of the cold.

The main difference is that these people have free reign we could blame the Gardai or their complete absence from public transport but then again even when Gardai do bring these people before courts they seem to be allowed to deliver their sob story and continue to terrorize the ordinary decent people going about their business.

A transport police is ultimately what is desperately needed and hard to believe that the government is prepared to spend hundreds of millions on tram systems and disrupt the entire city for years building them but never give a thought to making them secure for the people who paid for them to use them.

Cork, Kilkenny, Galway, Waterford. They dont have massive junkie commuting problems. they dont hav the little brats terrorising people on public transport either for the most part. in fact, junkies and knacker kid gangs are predominantly a dublin thing on public transport.

so we have gone from blaming luas to the govt and gardai. I reckon we could shoehorn in irish water for the blame too if e tried hard enough.

oh and for the record, the luas red line is not the last bastion of criminality in the city. 99% of its journeys are fine. you will get an extra amount of unsightly people as st. james' the methadone clinics,st. pats etc.. are on the line. but these are people too. you want to hide these people away where you cant see them or where your son cant see the harsh reality of the world he is growing up in. you cant do this my friend. These people never got the memo when you moved outof being schooled in a hedge, to going to private boarding schools.nobody ever gave any of these areas the time and space to develop and grow. and it will be them that breeds quicker than your ordinary decent dubliner. and then your town will truely be in the sh1tter

mickydoomsux

lolosaur wrote: »

I really feel that your problem is not with the luas red line but with the people who eminate from Dublin.

It is a shame to say but a city build on whoring, theiving, slums has given way to a society of junkies, robbers, louts and general scum. take issue with what the city has become and dont blame the luas. They do what they can with what resources they have. It is not their job to clean up the scum of society. that starts with parents, teachers and police. look to the civil service and their complete lack of social and moral values they have instilled into inner city dublin. look to the justice system that doesnt enforce stricter penalties on junkies. look to yourself for turning your nose up at the problem, rather then taking action in some form.

dublin has very few redeeming features. the luas is one of its better ones though.

Completely agree. I've been to numerous cities all over the world and i dread having to go to Dublin for any reason.

It's a cesspit and has been for a long time.

n97 mini

cdebru wrote: »

we could blame the Gardai or their complete absence from public transport

Whoever is responsible for a lack of policing on the Red Line in particular (but wider public transport) has a case to answer, be it the civil servants, the minister, the unions, whoever.

cdebru wrote: »

but then again even when Gardai do bring these people before courts

Policing would lead to prevention.

cdebru

lolosaur wrote: »

Cork, Kilkenny, Galway, Waterford. They dont have massive junkie commuting problems. they dont hav the little brats terrorising people on public transport either for the most part. in fact, junkies and knacker kid gangs are predominantly a dublin thing on public transport.

so we have gone from blaming luas to the govt and gardai. I reckon we could shoehorn in irish water for the blame too if e tried hard enough.

oh and for the record, the luas red line is not the last bastion of criminality in the city. 99% of its journeys are fine. you will get an extra amount of unsightly people as st. james' the methadone clinics,st. pats etc.. are on the line. but these are people too. you want to hide these people away where you cant see them or where your son cant see the harsh reality of the world he is growing up in. you cant do this my friend. These people never got the memo when you moved outof being schooled in a hedge, to going to private boarding schools.nobody ever gave any of these areas the time and space to develop and grow. and it will be them that breeds quicker than your ordinary decent dubliner. and then your town will truely be in the sh1tter

Whats your point ? they also don't have trams and they are also significantly smaller than Dublin, Trams because of the way they operate where you can board and alight with zero interaction with any staff, where the driver is cocooned in a space at the very front attract an unsavoury element, the red line is passing through areas where that unsavoury element live and operate.

So, the ultimate responsibility for a skanger being a nuisance on public transport lies with the skanger, but I don't expect anytime soon that they are going to change their ways and see the light and behave like normal human beings, so where does that leave you ? With the Government who have ultimate responsibility for protecting the citizens of the state and who spent 100s of millions on a tram system and with the Gardai who the Government tasks with protecting the citizens and upholding the rule of law, sorry if you can't see that responsibility lies with them and not LUAS or the RPA or Transdev.

I don't want to hide them away, but I also don't want them to be allowed to intimidate and harass other people, I don't want them using public transport that 100s of millions of taxpayers money was spent on as a mobile drug dealing service, I don't want them shooting up, I don't want them fighting, I don't want them stealing, I don't want them shouting abuse at the top of their voices to each other or anyone else. If they stopped all that then they are as welcome as anyone else on public transport and if they won't stop it then they should be policed into stopping it.

Greenmachine

Plenty of ****e happening on the green line too. Very confrontational begger at the st stephens green stop.

BoJack Horseman

Greenmachine wrote: »

Plenty of ****e happening on the green line too. Very confrontational begger at the st stephens green stop.

Any stop south of the green is fine & the trams themselves perfectly fine too.
(In my times using it).

The trams crawl with ticket inspectors & security staff...... Gotta work hard on all those office workers quietly reading kindles.

mickydoomsux

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Any stop south of the green is fine & the trams themselves perfectly fine too.
(In my times using it).

The trams crawl with ticket inspectors & security staff...... Gotta work hard on all those office workers quietly reading kindles.

Don't blame the staff here really. Why would you put yourself at risk confronting scummers when they are pretty much ignored by the justice system and sponsored by the government.

They'll get away with assaulting you because they are "poor unfortunates" with "tough lives" and you are the mean old taxpaying worker (boo!hiss!) and you'll still see them every day after ye have your day in court.

foggy_lad

I noticed that the green line are getting late trams over the Christmas but none for the red line/ That says that the management know all about the issues and are just washing their hands of it, they will provide security and after the more high profile attacks and incidents they bombard the service with ticket checkers and survey takers and others in high vis vests then a week later its back to skanger central!

LXFlyer

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Any stop south of the green is fine & the trams themselves perfectly fine too.
(In my times using it).

The trams crawl with ticket inspectors & security staff...... Gotta work hard on all those office workers quietly reading kindles.

So are you saying that there shouldn't be revenue protection checks?

mmmcake

The ticket checkers and security only have minimum powers, it should be the Garda policing the LUAS.
Its a joke, a multi million euro piece of tax payer funded infrastructure where said tax payers are left to fend of the scum of Dublin on a regular basis.

mmmcake

lxflyer wrote: »

So are you saying that there shouldn't be revenue protection checks?

Id say more revenue is lost from people who have given up on the Red Line than from a few fare evaders.

lolosaur

the christmas night luas was stopped becuse it cost too much to operate. bloody shame.

I guess the only redeeming feature of the recession just gone is the slight gentrification of inchicore, crumlin, drimnagh bluebell with downsizers. Every little helps. push the scangers, junkies and scumbags out to meath, longford and kildare. hurrah

Dravokivich

foggy_lad wrote: »

I noticed that the green line are getting late trams over the Christmas but none for the red line/ That says that the management know all about the issues and are just washing their hands of it, they will provide security and after the more high profile attacks and incidents they bombard the service with ticket checkers and survey takers and others in high vis vests then a week later its back to skanger central!

It's been like that for a few years now as well.

AlekSmart

mmmcake wrote: »

Id say more revenue is lost from people who have given up on the Red Line than from a few fare evaders.

In all of this thread,this should be THE post which Transdev/RPA require fixed above their HQ.

It is so true of many people who,having tried the Public Transport option via Red Line,made a decision never to return...to Bus,Tram,Train or ANY mode which has "PUBLIC" attached to it.

Del2005

lolosaur wrote: »

oh and for the record, the luas red line is not the last bastion of criminality in the city. 99% of its journeys are fine. you will get an extra amount of unsightly people as st. james' the methadone clinics,st. pats etc.. are on the line. but these are people too. you want to hide these people away where you cant see them or where your son cant see the harsh reality of the world he is growing up in. you cant do this my friend. These people never got the memo when you moved outof being schooled in a hedge, to going to private boarding schools.nobody ever gave any of these areas the time and space to develop and grow. and it will be them that breeds quicker than your ordinary decent dubliner. and then your town will truely be in the sh1tter

There are lots and lots of problems on the red line and a lot less than 99% of the journeys are fine

foggy_lad wrote: »

I noticed that the green line are getting late trams over the Christmas but none for the red line/ That says that the management know all about the issues and are just washing their hands of it, they will provide security and after the more high profile attacks and incidents they bombard the service with ticket checkers and survey takers and others in high vis vests then a week later its back to skanger central!

The trams are getting damaged during the day and the Gardaí aren't doing anything about it, apart from moving on people who cause thousands of Euro worth of damage and put several trams out of action. So why should the private company be forced to fix our social problems when the police force and government aren't?

Nermal

lolosaur wrote: »

you want to hide these people away where you cant see them or where your son cant see the harsh reality of the world he is growing up in.

Pretty much, yes. If they didn't have free transport and the ticket inspectors did their job I wouldn't have to interact with them, which would be just great.

foggy_lad

Nermal wrote: »

Pretty much, yes. If they didn't have free transport and the ticket inspectors did their job I wouldn't have to interact with them, which would be just great.

most of them don't have free travel but will never pay for travel on the luas because to them it is a FREE for all.

end of the road

Del2005 wrote: »

why should the private company be forced to fix our social problems when the police force and government aren't?

why shouldn't they.

n97 mini

end of the road wrote: »

why shouldn't they.

Have you seen the Robocop movie? Better to get regular police to sort things out before getting private companies in.

nc6000

Tow wrote: »

If we introduced the level of policing they have on the Paris Metro it would clean up. The current system where the ticket inspectors don't even bother to ask the junkies and et all is a disgrace.

What policing on the Paris Metro? I couldn't tell you how many times I've used the Metro on my visits to Paris and can't recall ever seeing any "policing" on it.

Muahahaha

Did anyone hear something along the lines of the Green line getting extended Christmas hours but that they're not doing it on the Red line? I saw the story somewhere but didn't read it. If true it says a lot about what the operators think of the problems on the Red line, they seem to be saying that running late night services on the Red line just isn't worth the trouble.

I think its a bit unfair to the majority of decent people who live and use the Red line Luas. As usual our authorities are letting a tiny minority ruin things for everyone else instead of standing up and addressing the issue.

LXFlyer

Muahahaha wrote: »

Did anyone hear something along the lines of the Green line getting extended Christmas hours but that they're not doing it on the Red line? I saw the story somewhere but didn't read it. If true it says a lot about what the operators think of the problems on the Red line, they seem to be saying that running late night services on the Red line just isn't worth the trouble.

I think its a bit unfair to the majority of decent people who live and use the Red line Luas. As usual our authorities are letting a tiny minority ruin things for everyone else instead of standing up and addressing the issue.

I've copied my post from the other thread.


According to Transdev, there is not the same demand on the Red Line.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/no-latenight-red-line-on-luas-over-christmas-as-operators-accused-of-discrimination-30826014.html

However, Luas have rejected the suggestion that the lack of late-night services on the Red Line is discrimination.
"There is absolutely no bias on our behalf, but what there is, is substantial evidence that there is just not enough demand for the service on the Red Line," a spokesperson said.
The company said that it tested late-night trams on the Red Line but the carriages were empty, adding that if demand were to increase, additional services would be considered.

AlekSmart

lxflyer wrote: »

I've copied my post from the other thread.


According to Transdev, there is not the same demand on the Red Line.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/no-latenight-red-line-on-luas-over-christmas-as-operators-accused-of-discrimination-30826014.html

Indeed,a classic "Irish answer to an Irish Question",even if it is from a French outfit..:rolleyes:

I can imagine the outrage if BAC were to come out with such a statement...:D

But what there is, is substantial evidence that there is just not enough demand for the service on the Red Line," a spokesperson said.
The company said that it tested late-night trams on the Red Line but the carriages were empty, adding that if demand were to increase, additional services would be considered.

There has not been a Late Tram service on the Red Line for some years now,which makes the Transdev statement quite difficult to comprehend.

There is "not enough demand" for a late service.....but "if this demand increases" then additional services would be considered...so Ted,tell me,how do we assess this demand level,given the lack of services which might attract people to disappoint when they find it does'nt exist ?.

All very peculiar indeed ?

AlekSmart

AlekSmart wrote: »

In all of this thread,this should be THE post which Transdev/RPA require fixed above their HQ.

It is so true of many people who,having tried the Public Transport option via Red Line,made a decision never to return...to Bus,Tram,Train or ANY mode which has "PUBLIC" attached to it.

What on Earth does this even mean?

Are you saying that Luas Red Line passenger numbers fell during 2014? Or what are you saying?

lxflyer

lxflyer wrote: »

I've copied my post from the other thread.


According to Transdev, there is not the same demand on the Red Line.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/no-latenight-red-line-on-luas-over-christmas-as-operators-accused-of-discrimination-30826014.html

How do they know? When was the last time they ran a late service?

There is a big structural difference between the two lines in the way they are used and the patterns of usage throughout the day. In relative terms, the Red Line gets more usage than the Green Line during the day from 9 to 5, but it's the other way round before 9 in the morning and after 5 in the evening.

But despite that, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the numbers using the two lines "last thing at night" - so one would think that there wouldn't be a huge discrepancy in demand on the two lines in the late hours.

So methinks there could be a bit of mental reservation going on when they say it's because of demand.

Celly Smunt

lolosaur wrote: »

I really feel that your problem is not with the luas red line but with the people who eminate from Dublin.

It is a shame to say but a city build on whoring, theiving, slums has given way to a society of junkies, robbers, louts and general scum. take issue with what the city has become and dont blame the luas. They do what they can with what resources they have. It is not their job to clean up the scum of society. that starts with parents, teachers and police. look to the civil service and their complete lack of social and moral values they have instilled into inner city dublin. look to the justice system that doesnt enforce stricter penalties on junkies. look to yourself for turning your nose up at the problem, rather then taking action in some form.

dublin has very few redeeming features. the luas is one of its better ones though.

Funnily a vast proportion of those groups are from the country..

man98

If it makes you feel any better, I witnessed a meeting for a drug deal on the Red Line. They got off the tram to do their business I think...

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

What on Earth does this even mean?

Are you saying that Luas Red Line passenger numbers fell during 2014? Or what are you saying?

I'm saying that Red Line Luas is operating way below it's capabilities,particularly off-peak and outside the City Centre.

The Red Line SHOULD be the primary Public Transport Option of Choice along it's entire length 24/7/365,but it is not.

Customers,both existing and potential are not alone reading accounts such as this,but more importantly they are EXPERIENCING these incidents first-hand.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-beaten-with-bottle-in-horror-attack-on-luas-30832867.html

The violent incident has led gardai to warn commuters to be "extra vigilant" when using public transport in the busy period before Christmas, particularly late at night.

The horrific Luas incident unfolded shortly after midnight on Thursday when innocent victim Noel O' Rourke was making his way back home from the Peter Gabriel gig at 3Arena.

When the Red-Line tram that he was travelling on reached the Smithfield stop, a gang of thugs caused a disturbance, these included a female and a number of males.

They targeted Mr O'Rourke who was hit a number of times with a bottle during a vicious assault.

It is understood that Mr O'Rourke suffered a fractured eye socket and needed staples in his head following the brutal incident.

Reading this kind of account is bad enough,but some of the Luas Passengers who actually experienced and witnessed this particular attack may in turn decide that THEIR risk is unacceptable as a result.

So to answer your point,YES current passenger numbers may be stable,but that they should be higher,they should be increasing rapidly throughout the operational hours....and as a mainstream Public Transport Option in a Capital City,it's operators should definitely NOT be issuing Press Statements such as THIS....

However, Luas have rejected the suggestion that the lack of late-night services on the Red Line is discrimination.
"There is absolutely no bias on our behalf, but what there is, is substantial evidence that there is just not enough demand for the service on the Red Line," a spokesperson said.
The company said that it tested late-night trams on the Red Line but the carriages were empty, adding that if demand were to increase, additional services would be considered.

WHY are those carriages referred to by Transdev,EMPTY ?...WHY is there "Not enough demand"...?

I'm saying that the Authorities Attitude towards, and Inability to deal robustly with this ongoing savagery IS a major part in the "Lack of demand" and if it remains unaddressed it may eventually led to a significantly reduced level-of-service for everybody. :mad:

n97 mini

Maybe the demand isn't there as ordinary people are afraid to travel on it. I could never see myself on the Red Line after maybe 9pm unless travelling in a large group, but it shouldn't be necessary to travel in groups on any public transport to feel safe.

Reati

n97 mini wrote: »

Policing would lead to prevention.

Not without consequences. These people laugh at the thought of the police because some of them with their 199 convictions for crimes they still only at worst get a 2 week suspended sentence.

Beaner1

They should shut the line down. It serves no real purpose.

n97 mini

Reati wrote: »

Not without consequences. These people laugh at the thought of the police because some of them with their 199 convictions for crimes they still only at worst get a 2 week suspended sentence.

There's a pub not far off the Red Line that used to be frequented by similar clientèle. It changed ownership and when it re-opened a constant heavy security presence eventually got it through to them that they were not welcome. This is the only way to do it with the Red Line... show it to these people that they are not welcome. No such thing as letting them on if they behave. Don't let them on at all.

kuntboy

Judges and barristers are operating as the equivalent of an organised crime gang, conspiring to legally fleece the taxpayer out of as much money as possible by keeping these thugs out of jail allowing multiple re-offending and multiple court fees. Judges undemocratically defy laws by setting precedents, with effectively no oversight. The two professions live in a cosy bubble, isolated from the outside world, sharing their free time socialising in between the Legal Eagle and the Law Society and similar venues, in arguably a blatant conflict of interest. They don't give a damn what the ordinary people, the government, or the guards think. All that matters is how much money they can make. The time has come to judge the judges.

Beaner1

kuntboy wrote: »

Judges and barristers are operating as the equivalent of an organised crime gang, conspiring to legally fleece the taxpayer out of as much money as possible by keeping these thugs out of jail allowing multiple re-offending and multiple court fees. Judges undemocratically defy laws by setting precedents, with effectively no oversight. The two professions live in a cosy bubble, isolated from the outside world, sharing their free time socialising in between the Legal Eagle and the Law Society and similar venues, in arguably a blatant conflict of interest. They don't give a damn what the ordinary people, the government, or the guards think. All that matters is how much money they can make. The time has come to judge the judges.

Judges are on a fixed annual salary so you are getting put onto my barstool spoofers list.

Grandeeod

Living abroad the last few years so Ive only been on the red line luas 4 times in two years. So you could say I'm a very random selection for any analysis.

On each of those journies I witnessed anti social behaviour. Two were during the day on the Heuston OCS section and the other two were between Heuston and the RC.

I can only imagine what its like for regular users.

Aard

Grandeeod wrote: »

I can only imagine what its like for regular users.

As a regular user, I can assure you that it's not as you witnessed all the time. I also get the Green line a lot, and unfortunately the Red line is not as reliably comfortable. However it does get a bit too much criticism imo. Nine times out of ten it's perfectly fine. The smell of alcohol and the sight of some dishevelled-looking people becomes routine.

In my experience the kids on the Red line can be just as annoying as those on the Green, though perhaps they're a bit more intimidating than simply loud.

It's a little different late at night. The Green line has no/few issues at night, mostly just drunk people going into town. The Red line tends to get skanger lads in their 20s who generally seem as though they're looking to cause hastle.

But despite the problems, those who call for it to be closed are as short-sighted as they are reductive imo.

smokie72

A man was attacked on the luas red line at smithfield. Unprovoked attack as well.

http://www.thejournal.ie/smithfield-attack-gardai-investigate-1832948-Dec2014/

AlekSmart

Aard wrote: »

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But despite the problems, those who call for it to be closed are as short-sighted as they are reductive imo.

In fairness,only a single forlorn poster advocates closing the Red Line.

The calls which are repeated regularly,here and elsewhere,are for the Authorities to recognise the extent of the problem/s and take definitive and visible action to support ordinary customers,even if this action leaves the perpetrator behind....for as long as it takes to underline the message that they are equally welcome under the same T's & C's which everbody else accepts.

Longer Court Hours and the dispensation of immediate justice is one significant area where progress could be made.

Many of the regular RedLine troublemakers are en-route between business appointments and have quite tight timetable requirements....one strong countermeasure to these lads would be a situation whereby they were removed to a location remote to the Luas line where they would be required to wait whilst their case was processed....all the time with possession of their Mobile Phone/s and other items denied them.

The juvenile element do present a substantial challenge to "The System",as they carry a vast quantity of "rights" associated to their age-groups.

Gardai themselves are restricted in the methodologies they can use,and the mechanics of processing individuals under Juvenile schemes can be protracted and of little eventual use....All of these hamstrings well known and utilised by the under 18's and their handlers.

The eventual,inevitable conclusion,of the current policy to the RedLine problems will see the RedLines services being whittled away (Due to "Lack of Demand" ) until a level is reached which cannot be sustained...That will be the end of it.

Nobody with any sense or even a smidgin of Pride in their City wants to see that end-game reached !!

Mesrine65

Dedicated transport police are badly needed on all public transport services IMHO