Why is it illegal to sell/purchase sex?

lazybones32

Why exactly, if anyone knows?

We 'sell' our skills, ideas and our bodies (manual workers, soldiers, black-market organs, etc) but sex is still a crime to purchase with money. Paying for sex with candles, dinner and wine is called romance.


Instead of punishing one party to a 'criminal activity', should it just be legalised?

Lyaiera

I guess the broad answer is it's down to morality and the possibility of exploitation.

ScumLord

The Catholic church.

Carlos Orange

I thought prostitution was currently legal.

uch

This should be fun,,,..

biko

lazybones32 wrote: »

Paying for sex with candles, dinner and wine is called romance.

Romance isn't wining and dining for sex. Romance has to do with feelings for each other and starting a relationship.
Next date, try saying "I'll pay for dinner and then we sex it up and never see each other again"

My issue with prostitution is when the prostitute actually isn't willing but pressed into it (be it male or female prostitute).
Check out www.mydangerousloverboy.com

Cyber Ghost

Porn is legal in a lot of jurisdictions where prostitution is not.

It's ok to pay a woman to suck a guy's dick if there's cameras there, but highly illegal otherwise?

PutDownArtist

Has the law been passed already?

There goes any chance of me getting any action for a while. :-(

ScumLord

biko wrote: »

My issue with prostitution is when the prostitute actually isn't willing but pressed into it (be it male or female prostitute).

I think a person should be able to sell their body for sex. I'm fairly sure the percentage that actually enjoy the work is tiny but how many people are forced into a job they hate?

While prostitution is probably the worst horrible job you can have, in some cases it may well be better than nothing. Is it any better to take away peoples fall back, last resort job and force them onto the streets?

catallus

Because sexual relations are the essence of our humanity; the taboo is against selling your humanity.

ScumLord

catallus wrote: »

Because sexual relations are the essence of our humanity;

I think you'll find there are a hell of a lot of other creatures that have sex and plenty that form an emotional bound with it.

catallus

ScumLord wrote: »

I think you'll find there are a hell of a lot of other creatures that have sex and plenty that form an emotional bound with it.

I'm sure it suits your misanthropic pov to believe so. But we are above animals, just as we are beneath God.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

Because sexual relations are the essence of our humanity; the taboo is against selling your humanity.

What the actual fawk does this crap mean? Pseudo-intellectual bullcrap

Religion, that's the reason. People go on about exploitation but having criminal gangs running black market brothels allows exactly for this.
If there were legally operated brothels with registered workers, where would be the exploitation?

catallus

Deleted User wrote: »

If there were legally operated brothels with registered workers, where would be the exploitation?

The exploitation would still be there, just that it would be legal?

catallus

catallus wrote: »

I'm sure it suits your misanthropic pov to believe so. But we are above animals, just as we are beneath God.

Bwahahaha what nonsense

catallus

catallus wrote: »

The exploitation would still be there, just that it would be legal?

How?

lazybones32

biko wrote: »

My issue with prostitution is when the prostitute actually isn't willing but pressed into it (be it male or female prostitute).
Check out www.mydangerousloverboy.com

That isn't prostitution then, is it? No-one is seeking to legitimise human trafficking, holding people against their will and raping them, so for the purpose of a simple conversation, we will be speaking about people who choose to sell sexual pleasure to another for money.

Breffnigolfer

It's for the greater good, to protect the vulnerable people who are exploited by domineering managers/pimps/traffickers etc

Breffnigolfer

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

It's for the greater good, to protect the vulnerable people who are exploited by domineering managers/pimps/traffickers etc

You mean that the kind of happens right now, under the current system?

RobertKK

It leads to crime, even in Amsterdam they closed down some of the red light district as it is being blamed for crime.
Some of the marijuana shops are being shut down too.

http://time.com/74217/court-amsterdam-mayor-can-ban-red-light-district-pot-shops/

ScumLord

catallus wrote: »

I'm sure it suits your misanthropic pov to believe so. But we are above animals, just as we are beneath God.

So other animals don't have sex? There are no other animals that form life long monogamous relationships? How are we above other animals?

It never ceases to amaze me how the fundi religious can ignore what's right in front of their faces so they can keep their fantasies alive.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

It leads to crime, even in Amsterdam they closed down some of the red light district as it is being blamed for crime.
Some of the marijuana shops are being shut down too.

http://time.com/74217/court-amsterdam-mayor-can-ban-red-light-district-pot-shops/

alcohol leads to crime, quick close the pubs

Delirium

catallus wrote: »

Because sexual relations are the essence of our humanity; the taboo is against selling your humanity.

That makes no sense.

If sexual relations are the essence of humanity, then why not let people pay for sex so they can fully experience humanity?

ScumLord

RobertKK wrote: »

It leads to crime, even in Amsterdam they closed down some of the red light district as it is being blamed for crime.
Some of the marijuana shops are being shut down too.

The fact is the red light district is one of the safest parts of the city because the police patrol the area constantly.

And here's a the BBC with an article saying the exact opposite. In reality Time are a few months late to this story and a few steps behind what happened.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20165371

Green Mile

catallus wrote: »

I'm sure it suits your misanthropic pov to believe so. But we are above animals, just as we are beneath God.

Are you serious, For the love of Allah

floggg

biko wrote: »

Romance isn't wining and dining for sex. Romance has to do with feelings for each other and starting a relationship.
Next date, try saying "I'll pay for dinner and then we sex it up and never see each other again"

My issue with prostitution is when the prostitute actually isn't willing but pressed into it (be it male or female prostitute).
Check out www.mydangerousloverboy.com

I would imagine the risk of exploitation or forced prostitution is only increased by illegality.

If the welfare of the men and women involved in prostituion is the primary concern, then surely this is best served by taking them out of the criminal sphere where they are at serious risk of coercion, and putting them into a regulated and supervised system which ensures appropriate health and welfare safeguards are in place, and provides enough resources to ensure that people who want an out have one.

Slicemeister

Ridiculous law. Just goes to show incapable we are that we can't even set up a prostitution industry in an ultra safe environment for everyone involved. Regulate it with harsh penalties, constant health and welfare screening, taxing systems policing etc.

floggg

RobertKK wrote: »

It leads to crime, even in Amsterdam they closed down some of the red light district as it is being blamed for crime.
Some of the marijuana shops are being shut down too.

http://time.com/74217/court-amsterdam-mayor-can-ban-red-light-district-pot-shops/

But criminalising it leads to worse crime - exploitation, trafficking, pimping, and puts the prostitutes at greater risk of violence and abuse by both pimps and johns.

catallus

SW wrote: »

If sexual relations are the essence of humanity, then why not let people pay for sex so they can fully experience humanity?

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

One can no more validly sell sex and remain truly human than one can sell love.

Neither does one have to experience sex to experience love. Love has many guises.

floggg

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

One can no more validly sell sex and remain truly human than one can sell love.

Neither does one have to experience sex to experience love. Love has many guises.

Do you actually believe this nonsense or just a really dedicated wind up merchant.

And are you suggesting that prostitutes aren't truly human? Nice.

I wonder is that how Jay-C felt about Mary Magdalene?

PS - that physical expression of love crap is some ridiculous subjective chick flick crap. Sex is a physical act and has no necessary emotional import. No strings sex for pleasures sake is still sex - and can often be great sex at that.

Lyaiera

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

Nah, sex is doing shameful things with your bits.

Slicemeister

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

One can no more validly sell sex and remain truly human than one can sell love.

Neither does one have to experience sex to experience love. Love has many guises.

Do you honestly believe all this? Utter codswallop.

Vision of Disorder

catallus wrote: »

Neither does one have to experience sex to experience love. Love has many guises.

And none of them are governed by 'God'.

Delirium

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

One can no more validly sell sex and remain truly human than one can sell love.

Neither does one have to experience sex to experience love. Love has many guises.

but you said that sexual relations are the essence of humanity. If a person doesn't have sex, they aren't truly human by your own phrasing.

Nor, in a weird contradiction, are they if they have sex and pay someone for it

catallus

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

So animals can Love?

I am going to turn myself in at the local Garda station. The OH convinced me to part with money so she could buy something expensive and all this was in the prelude to sex.
In essence, I paid for sex. I am now a criminal and will be put on the sex offenders register and my kids taken off me.

Trent Houseboat

catallus wrote: »

Because sexual relations are the essence of our humanity; the taboo is against selling your humanity.

Water is the essence of wetness.

frag420

catallus wrote: »

Sex is the physical expression of Love.

I LOVE sex!!!

Based on your logic just thinking about that makes my head explode.......and gives me a warm feeling in my pants!!

Breffnigolfer

Deleted User wrote: »

I am going to turn myself in at the local Garda station. The OH convinced me to part with money so she could buy something expensive and all this was in the prelude to sex.
In essence, I paid for sex. I am now a criminal and will be put on the sex offenders register and my kids taken off me.

How did you end up with kids?

westcoast66

I lived in Brazil for while years ago. There was this girl that I met at a bar and got her number. I used to ring and she'd come over and we'd have sex. Then she'd ask for $100 for the taxi home. Was she a prostitute? Who knows. The lines seemed to be very blurred over there. Great arrangement though.

frag420

westcoast66 wrote: »

I lived in Brazil for while years ago. There was this girl that I met at a bar and got her number. I used to ring and she'd come over and we'd have sex. Then she'd ask for $100 for the taxi home. Was she a prostitute? Who knows. The lines seemed to be very blurred over there. Great arrangement though.

Yeah but they have serious traffic issues there, she would be in the taxi for hrs so $100 is reasonable!!

who the fug

frag420 wrote: »

Yeah but they have serious traffic issues there, she would be in the taxi for hrs so $100 is reasonable!!

Yes but she books her Uncle Raoul to collect her, he kicks her back 10 dollar, if she got a cab off the street it would cost her 10

lazybones32

Deleted User wrote: »

So animals can Love?

They can't. Love is a human word to express a human condition. Applying human terms to non-human or inanimate objects is anthropomorphism.

OldNotWIse

I've no issue with it from a morality point of view once those involved are consenting adults. *

* and by consenting I guess I would include not having to do it out of necessity.

Gerry T

catallus wrote: »

The exploitation would still be there, just that it would be legal?

If the trade is legalised it takes it out of the hands of pimps. That way women that want to be prostitutes will work for a legal brothel. If men go there the street walkers, where many are forced, will be out of business and won't be forced.
What's your thoughts on married women forced to give sex to their loving husbands, is that ok ? it happens...using your logic we should ban marriage.

Saipanne

If you want to find free prostitutes, just go on tinder.

lazybones32

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I've no issue with it from a morality point of view once those involved are consenting adults. *

* and by consenting I guess I would include not having to do it out of necessity.

I understand the point you make but when ever is there a necessity to sell yourself for sex? Personally, I'd rob a shop or sell dope before turning to prostitution. There is such variety and opportunity in the life of crime!
I don't knowingly know any prostitutes but I can't imagine a scenario whereby someone decides as a career (porn aside) to sleep with whoever offers you money.

Gerry T

lazybones32 wrote: »

I understand the point you make but when ever is there a necessity to sell yourself for sex? Personally, I'd rob a shop or sell dope before turning to prostitution. There is such variety and opportunity in the life of crime!
I don't knowingly know any prostitutes but I can't imagine a scenario whereby someone decides as a career (porn aside) to sleep with whoever offers you money.

It's not necessity, if a person has no hangups about religion, can work 4-5 hrs a day for 200k a yr, why not ?

I don't, I'm too ugly, wouldn't make enough to pay the heating bills !

ScumLord

lazybones32 wrote: »

They can't. Love is a human word to express a human condition. Applying human terms to non-human or inanimate objects is anthropomorphism.

As much as some people anthropomorphise animal behaviour, there's a danger of going too far the other way and separating human behaviour from the rest of the animal kingdom, we're not quite as unique and different as we like to think we are. We share basic functions with a lot of other animals, our species needed to form close bonds because of the way our groups are structured. There are other animals like chimps, dogs, dolphins, elephants that show signs of love, they may not be able to express it as easily as we can but it's hard to say they don't understand the emotion of love. We have in the past elevated humanity above the rest of the animal kingdom but at the end of the day we are just another animal, a weird one, but there's nothing all that unique about us, we just do more complex versions of things many other animal do.

OldNotWIse wrote: »

* and by consenting I guess I would include not having to do it out of necessity.

But most people work out of necessity, we wouldn't do things we don't like unless we had too.

lazybones32 wrote: »

I don't knowingly know any prostitutes but I can't imagine a scenario whereby someone decides as a career (porn aside) to sleep with whoever offers you money.

I think it could be quite easy for a woman to get into prostitution, women know men will pay for sex. If a woman was on the verge of bankruptcy and living on the street it would be quite easy for them to find a man willing to pay them, even just for company.

catallus

Gerry T wrote: »

If the trade is legalised it takes it out of the hands of pimps.

Yeah, the pimps will go on their merry way and let the women have all the profits to themselves! Why has no-one thought of this before.

Gerry T wrote: »

That way women that want to be prostitutes will work for a legal brothel. If men go there the street walkers, where many are forced, will be out of business and won't be forced.

I don't really see how you can see this happening. "Street Walkers" are, afaik, usually attached to a brothel anyways?

Legalising stuff does not negate the harm caused.

biko

lazybones32 wrote: »

so for the purpose of a simple conversation, we will be speaking about people who choose to sell sexual pleasure to another for money.

If you wanted a high-level discussion then Legal Discussion forum would probably have suited better. They could advice on what the law actually says.