Why is it illegal to sell/purchase sex?

DamagedTrax

Cienciano wrote: »

Is having a **** relinquishing your humanity?

i relinquished my humanity earlier this morning.. and the other day. infact im surprised i have any left at all to relinquish :eek:

A Primal Nut

The main risk is that anyone involved is somehow being exploited; whether they are forced to do it; or they came to another country under different promises; having been lied to about the nature of the work and now have big debts which they are forced to pay back.

As long as it's consensual and the woman is freelancing, I think it's fine. Check some escort sites in Western Europe and see how much these women earn per hour; I'll not be feeling sorry for them anytime soon. In many countries around the world, prostitutes are among the top earners.

I know it's not a nice job, but there are much worse jobs out there, many of which are male-dominated; and leave people on the poverty line.

As long as it's heavily regulated, where prostitutes would have to have a license; with STD checks, that they aren't being pimped or forced; or they weren't tricked into debt; I wouldn't have an issue with it. It would be up to the John to verify the prostitute has a valid license.

From the john's point of view, some of them see it as a way to fulfill sexual fantasies they couldn't otherwise.

catallus

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously not self evident. You are making the claim could you please back it up even just a tiny bit.

Are your statements OPINION or FACT?

SW wrote: »

So a person doesn't experience what it is to be fully human if they don't have sex. But if they pay for it or masturbatre, they relinquish their humanity?

Right ok, we need to slow all this down here. Don't jizz your pants over this.

We can all be reasonable here.

Cork-exile; it is laid down in Scripture, which makes it a fact, no? At least hermeneutically. Now you might call that "opinion" but I couldn't possibly comment.

SW; we might have to go to Tolstoy on that question. He posited that one should at least try to abstain, even if it is impossible, because to abstain is a great spiritual cleanser.

DamagedTrax

catallus wrote: »

it is laid down in Scripture, which makes it a fact, no? At least hermeneutically.

lolz.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

Cork-exile; it is laid down in Scripture, which makes it a fact, no?

No.

catallus

Deleted User wrote: »

No.

In your opinion.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

In your opinion.

Nope. I can factually state that writing something down does not make it factually true.

The sky is currently green.
I wrote it down but the sky is not green.


scripture also states that we should not eat shellfish, wear cloth of different type and that it is ok to keep slaves.
Prehistoric goat herders are not the type of people that I take my teaching from

ScumLord

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i relinquished my humanity earlier this morning.. and the other day. infact im surprised i have any left at all to relinquish :eek:

You've probably devolved into homo erectus at this point.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

You've probably devolved into homo erectus at this point.

probably lost the erectus after he finished

floggg

SW wrote: »

So a person doesn't experience what it is to be fully human if they don't have sex. But if they pay for it or masturbate, they relinquish their humanity?

Thankfully, it's a zero sum game for prostitutes.

The relinquish part of their humanity by accepting money, but will usually receive part of their clients humanity in exchange.*


*unless they spit.

catallus

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope. I can factually state that writing something down does not make it factually true.

The sky is currently green.
I wrote it down but the sky is not green.

Right, but that doesn't mean all writing is not factually true!

Where are you going with this?

floggg

floggg wrote: »

Thankfully, it's a zero sum game for prostitutes.

The relinquish part of their humanity by accepting money, but will usually receive part of their clients humanity in exchange.*


*unless they spit.

They can get humanity from the John's jizz?????

This gets better and better

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

catallus

catallus wrote: »

Right, but that doesn't mean all writing is not factually true!

Where are you going with this?

Where are their tests performed to determine their written conclusions.

Keeping it simple for you with the sky example.

The sky is grey at the moment... looks out the window, indeed it is grey. Should I be challenged on this I can take a picture to show that it is grey, have impartial witnesses verify the veracity of my claim and we can all them accept it as fact.

Unsubstantiated nonsense from uneducated, superstitious and gullible goat herders is not a place to get your information

Delirium

catallus wrote: »

SW; we might have to go to Tolstoy on that question. He posited that one should at least try to abstain, even if it is impossible, because to abstain is a great spiritual cleanser.

Everyone doesn't consider sex/masturbation as something requires subsequent spiritual cleansing.

And it doesn't explain why masturbation is person relinquishing their humanity.

Basically put? You are wrong and have been shown to be by not being able to generate one credible piece of evidence to back up your uneducated and unfounded claims

lazybones32

lazybones32 wrote: »

Argument from emotion?

Pretty much yes. And as I said - a nice one. Its a genuinely useful way to test your commitment to your own ideals - by seeing how readily you would compromise them if you personalise the issue.

It is very easy for me to say "Consider victimless crimes over victim crimes if you are desperate" as an ideal - but it is a good test of your commitment to that ideal to envision enacting that advice on yourself or a loved one.

The only difference between me giving that advice to a stranger - and to my daughter - is my emotional attachment to my daughter. Hence what I mean my "Argument from emotion". The emotion is literally the only variable in the comparison.

lazybones32 wrote: »

I reckon - and this is my bias - it'd be easier to live with the notion of robbing food than of allowing someone cum inside you for money.

And I am merely pointing out that my bias is the opposite. I am not claiming yours or mine are "right" or "wrong". Just a bit of "I will show you mine if you show me yours" so to speak.

And I would not live with the notion myself of harming others in victim crimes if the choice of no crime - or at least a victimless crime - were available to me. I would prefer to use my own tools and faculties to survive - than choose to harm another - even if that faculty is my sexuality.

Perhaps my commitment to the ideal of never harming another is more extreme than your own.

Deleted User wrote: »

Are your statements OPINION or FACT?

I would posit that he appears to believe that opinion can be turned into fact by using phrased like "self evident".

A Primal Nut wrote: »

As long as it's consensual and the woman is freelancing, I think it's fine.

I 100% agree that it should be 100% consensual.

See no reason why it has to be freelance however. There is room for a service industry there where a provider hires sex workers - and for a fee provides them with services ranging from security to an - online presence to facilities - and so forth.

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Check some escort sites in Western Europe and see how much these women earn per hour

Exactly and I have made this point a few times on a similar thread. Some people have this notion that sex workers are all getting "banged in every hole" by "multiple clients a night".

It is just a naive and reactionary notion they have. One I usually divest easy by asking them to write down THEIR weekly take home pay for a week. Then I log them on to the local Escorts site and show them the rates. And using the simple DIVISION they learned in school ask them to work out exactly how many clients a week are required to take home the same money.

Last guy I tried this on the answer was 4. Multiple a night? Puh-leeese. That is barely half a client per day. And that is ASSUMING one hour visits from individual clients. Whereas many sex workers have clients that make repeat visits - and clients who take it slower than one hour. So often 2 clients rather than 4 is financially viable.

DamagedTrax

my own opinion on it.

if a man or woman wants to sell sex, then let them. make it a regulated industry to keep the workers (and clients) safe. also all that lovely TAX wouldnt go amiss.

or we could just keep it how it is now. dangerous, dirty, street corner stuff.

(obviously im discounting the high end, which is how it should be run).

catallus

Deleted User wrote: »

Keeping it simple for you with the sky example.

I think you're keeping it simple for yourself there, not for me.

It makes it more convenient to treat the subject like a written-comprehension problem when the reality is that there are real people's lives at stake.

Sometimes it isn't that black or white, or even gray...

But such is the nature of nescience.

DamagedTrax

catallus wrote: »

It makes it more convenient to treat the subject like a written-comprehension problem when the reality is that there are real people's lives at stake.

a lot more lives are at risk with the current legislation.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

I think you're keeping it simple for yourself there, not for me.

It makes it more convenient to treat the subject like a written-comprehension problem when the reality is that there are real people's lives at stake.

Sometimes it isn't that black or white, or even gray...

But such is the nature of nescience.

So now you can not even stand over your own statements and are back tracking to wooly emotive arguments?

Such is the nature of ignorance is right!!

Viper_JB

Deleted User wrote: »

Basically put? You are wrong and have been shown to be by not being able to generate one credible piece of evidence to back up your uneducated and unfounded claims

Pretty much the foundations on which most religions are built you'll never get through to them...

Viper_JB

Viper_JB wrote: »

Pretty much the foundations on what most religions are built you'll never get through to them...

Yeah but there will be people wavering, with attaining reason, and by reading this can be saved from religion by showing how interfering and damaging religion is.

It was examples, such as this, that shone the light of clarity and rational thinking for me

Viper_JB

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but there will be people wavering, with attaining reason, and by reading this can be saved from religion by showing how interfering and damaging religion is.

It was examples, such as this, that shone the light of clarity and rational thinking for me

I like the thinking I gotta say , but by far and away one of the most damaging thing the church has done was offering conditional aid to third world countries on the condition that they do not use any prophylactics there, actively encouraging the spread of AIDS amount the poorest in the work, this is merely a tiny drop in the ocean...

Mister Vain

What's the difference between Irish water and sex? People are willing to pay for sex.