NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

damienirel · 12-05-2016 2:44pm

think it's sparked a bit of debate at least until it's forgotten about again...

http://www.thejournal.ie/broadband-programme-for-government-2016-2765186-May2016/

damienirel · 12-05-2016 2:47pm

I wonder if it was fast tracked and the contact awarded to Siro - as it's esb and they're semi state they could invest without looking like a bunch of dummies. I guess i could dream.

pegasus1 · 12-05-2016 4:16pm

damienirel wrote: »

I wonder if it was fast tracked and the contact awarded to Siro - as it's esb and they're semi state they could invest without looking like a bunch of dummies. I guess i could dream.

Siro are not semi-state as it is a partnership with the ESB and Vodafone...

damienirel · 12-05-2016 5:27pm

pegasus1 wrote: »

Siro are not semi-state as it is a partnership with the ESB and Vodafone...

Yes does partnership mean private enterprise with no state ownership - handy that? Anyways I did say dream. Pretty sure our politicians aren't too worried about a NBP.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-05-2016 11:21pm

What impact on the plan will Imagine's LTE rollout have? When it comes to revising the intervention map I suspect Imagine will be pushing to have areas it has covered removed under state aid rules.

Hypothetically this could push back the rollout of FTTH to certain areas well past 2022 if they are deemed uneconomic by Eir or Siro's commercial rollouts.

rob808 · 12-05-2016 11:26pm

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

What impact on the plan will Imagine's LTE rollout have? When it comes to revising the intervention map I suspect Imagine will be pushing to have areas it has covered removed under state aid rules.

Hypothetically this could push back the rollout of FTTH to certain areas well past 2022 if they are deemed uneconomic by Eir or Siro's commercial rollouts.

I wonder that to hate to be stuck with imagine LTE given how expensive it is with it shockingly low 20Gb/day cap.

marno21 · 12-05-2016 11:28pm

It's a handy stop gap until people receive FTTH services.

garroff · 12-05-2016 11:33pm

Can Imagine givee 30Mb and what speed up?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-05-2016 11:35pm

marno21 wrote: »

It's a handy stop gap until people receive FTTH services.

What if the department is forced to remove Imagine areas from the NBP tender. It could leave areas lumbered with the stop gap.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-05-2016 11:39pm

garroff wrote: »

Can Imagine givee 30Mb and what speed up?

They are making a point of highlighting the minimum 30Mb speed on the product. They are currently spamming their social medfia outlets with speedtest reports from newly signed up customers. Although a few of the posted tests fall under the supposed 6Mb upload.

https://www.facebook.com/imaginewimax

https://twitter.com/imagineGroup__

KOR101 · 12-05-2016 11:44pm

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

What impact on the plan will Imagine's LTE rollout have? When it comes to revising the intervention map I suspect Imagine will be pushing to have areas it has covered removed under state aid rules.

Hypothetically this could push back the rollout of FTTH to certain areas well past 2022 if they are deemed uneconomic by Eir or Siro's commercial rollouts.

The serious answer is that a process has been put in place for updating the NBP map. If the EU accept that process, then, short of hooking someone up, the house should remain in the NBP.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-05-2016 11:47pm

KOR101 wrote: »

The serious answer is that a process has been put in place for updating the NBP map. If the EU accept that process, then, short of hooking someone up, the house should remain in the NBP.

Can you envisage Imagine challenging that in the courts, delaying the process even further? They are fond of a bit of litigation.

pegasus1 · 13-05-2016 12:07am

marno21 wrote: »

It's a handy stop gap until people receive FTTH services.

And that whats they said about 3G...and look where that got us...

marno21 · 13-05-2016 12:15am

pegasus1 wrote: »

And that whats they said about 3G...and look where that got us...

If Imagine limit their subscribers and not let the cell become oversubscribed, as well as their daily cap to stop binge downloading, it will work out reasonably if there is sufficient backhaul, as the technology (TDD-LTE) is more appropriate than the HSDPA that 3 used for the NBS.

Of course, nothing is as good as FTTH, and this has to be the ultimate solution delivered to every home.

rodge123 · 13-05-2016 12:19am

I notice Imagine offer a HUGE 20Gb of data with the LTE 'Fibre' product!
Very sneaky ploy to ensure they can make the case that they are achieving speeds of 30Mb for current customers....hopefully whoever is evaluating the tenders will see past this.

Imagine.png

rob808 · 13-05-2016 12:25am

marno21 wrote: »

If Imagine limit their subscribers and not let the cell become oversubscribed, as well as their daily cap to stop binge downloading, it will work out reasonably if there is sufficient backhaul, as the technology (TDD-LTE) is more appropriate than the HSDPA that 3 used for the NBS.

Of course, nothing is as good as FTTH, and this has to be the ultimate solution delivered to every home.

If they made it 50Gb/day cap and price at €45 it be a good product but how it is now seem mainly aim at low bandwidth users,I couldn't see myself using there product with cap they have like what the point in having fast broadband if you have limit what you use daily.

rob808 · 13-05-2016 12:28am

rodge123 wrote: »

I notice Imagine offer a HUGE 20Gb of data with the LTE 'Fibre' product!
Very sneaky ploy to ensure they can make the case that they are achieving speeds of 30Mb for current customers....hopefully whoever is evaluating the tenders will see past this.

Imagine.png

I have to laugh at that Huge 20Gb of data what are they smoking

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Johnboy1951 · 13-05-2016 12:37am

rob808 wrote: »

I have to laugh at that Huge 20Gb of data what are they smoking .

20GB/day or 600GB/month does not seem all that minuscule to those who would sign up to that service (because there is no better service available).

Heck, I would jump at such a service today!

rodge123 · 13-05-2016 12:43am

rob808 wrote: »

I have to laugh at that Huge 20Gb of data what are they smoking .

My Bad!
It's actually 20Gb a day...not too shabby.

BandMember · 13-05-2016 12:45am

rodge123 wrote: »

My Bad!
It's actually 20Gb a day...not too shabby.

Try doing a bit of HD streaming and see how long 20GB will last you!

rodge123 · 13-05-2016 12:47am

rodge123 wrote: »

My Bad!
It's actually 20Gb a day...not too shabby.

Actually it is crap...That's only 75GB a month

That would catch a lot of non technical people out. Gb vs GB.
The sneaky pack of weasels!
They really should have 2.5GB per day on their site.

BandMember · 13-05-2016 12:51am

rodge123 wrote: »

Actually it is crap...That's only 75GB a month

Lesson for the day: Always read the small print with any sort of satellite and/or mobile provider!

rob808 · 13-05-2016 12:51am

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

20GB/day or 600GB/month does not seem all that minuscule to those who would sign up to that service (because there is no better service available).

Heck, I would jump at such a service today!

They should just do the 600Gb/month and drop the 20Gb/day cap but guess they cant because it probably crash there network and speeds would go down hill.

rodge123 · 13-05-2016 12:57am

BandMember wrote: »

Lesson for the day: Always read the small print with any sort of satellite and/or mobile provider!

"While the minimum speed that Imagine will connect you at is 30MB but can easily be 70Mb, depending on your location."

:D:D:D

So the mininium is 240Mb (30MB) but you may be able to get up to 70Mb!

:D:D

AlmightyCushion · 13-05-2016 1:57am

I'm hoping for anyone on it that the 20Gb (bit) is a typo and it's actually 20GB (byte).

KOR101 · 13-05-2016 8:16am

http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/inter-departmental-confusion-over-handling-of-national-broadband-plan-399343.html

pegasus1 · 13-05-2016 9:06am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I'm hoping for anyone on it that the 20Gb (bit) is a typo and it's actually 20GB (byte).

I wouldn't count on it...very sneaky of them....suck you in then. . .

Johnboy1951 · 13-05-2016 9:10am

rodge123 wrote: »

Actually it is crap...That's only 75GB a month

That would catch a lot of non technical people out. Gb vs GB.
The sneaky pack of weasels!
They really should have 2.5GB per day on their site.

The standards used, regardless of typos, is that speed is given in bits
xxGb/s
while quantity is given in Bytes
xxGB

It is obvious from this earlier attachment that some typos have crept in
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/591463/385812.png

.... unless you believe that their 30MB on that page is really meant to be 240Mb/s

pegasus1 · 13-05-2016 9:11am

KOR101 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/inter-departmental-confusion-over-handling-of-national-broadband-plan-399343.html

Is it going to be a case of well, pass the buck..it's them that's causing the delay/problem/confusion/denial/not ready yet/......and then the other lot say the same thing about the other lot....

chris_ie · 13-05-2016 10:14am

The Imagine download cap is 20GB (bytes). Asked them when I spoke with them. Just a typo on the site it seems.

20GB is great for many of us users who only have access to poor FWA services. The fact that downloads between 12AM and 7AM dont count towards the cap also is good. Can schedule any large downloads for during the night, as I already do. If you stream quite a bit and have multiple users in the house then yeah, its a bit low, but again for many people its a lot better than what they have.

As others have said, as long as its a stop gap and doesnt end up being a case of "well, your covered by at least 30Mb broadband, we'll take you out of the NBP". I'm also on the magic blue lines from Eir, if that ever gets done.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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