Cross on Carauntoohill had been cut down

FrStone

I'm after hearing from climbers that the cross has been cut down. This is blatant vandalism, some one actually had to bring the correct equipment up to do this.

MonkeyTennis

Its a miracle

Allyall

FrStone wrote: »

I'm after hearing from climbers that the cross has been cut down. This is blatant vandalism, some one actually had to bring the correct equipment up to do this.

http://www.thejournal.ie/cross-carrauntoohil-cut-down-1794036-Nov2014/

Satriale

It was vandalism to stick it in the top of the mountain in the first place.

beveragelady

First of all, may I state clearly that it wasn't me.
Secondly, I'm delighted to hear that the cross on Carrauntoohil is gone. It has always annoyed me to find a religious symbol at the top of various mountains, as if they have been claimed in the name of some god or other.

Graces7

beveragelady wrote: »

First of all, may I state clearly that it wasn't me.
Secondly, I'm delighted to hear that the cross on Carrauntoohil is gone. It has always annoyed me to find a religious symbol at the top of various mountains, as if they have been claimed in the name of some god or other.

Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

suicide_circus

beveragelady wrote: »

First of all, may I state clearly that it wasn't me.
Secondly, I'm delighted to hear that the cross on Carrauntoohil is gone. It has always annoyed me to find a religious symbol at the top of various mountains, as if they have been claimed in the name of some god or other.

i wonder when our post catholic hangover will dissipate

Satriale

Graces7 wrote: »

Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

They had better apply for planning permission this time. Rules are rules.

afatbollix

How the feck does a execution device give hope and beauty?

The Backwards Man

If there's one thing pisses me off more than any other it's people climbing mountains without a damn good reason. And 'because it's there' is not a good reason.

Allyall

beveragelady wrote: »

First of all, may I state clearly that it wasn't me.
Secondly, I'm delighted to hear that the cross on Carrauntoohil is gone. It has always annoyed me to find a religious symbol at the top of various mountains, as if they have been claimed in the name of some god or other.

Regardless, If they wanted it down, they could have started a petition.
At the time it was erected, Ireland was a very Catholic Country, as time went on, it stood as reminder of our past.
Are they going to go and cut down all the crosses in Glendalough because they don't agree with them?

I couldn't care either way if the cross was there or not, but there are better ways to go about it.

beveragelady

Graces7 wrote: »

Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

Against whom am I discriminating? People who don't want to climb a mountain unless there is a representation of an instrument of torture awaiting them at the summit?

You're right though, I find it difficult to tolerate eyesores.

Mint Sauce

FrStone wrote: »

I'm after hearing from climbers that the cross has been cut down. This is blatant vandalism, some one actually had to bring the correct equipment up to do this.

+100

And I am not even particularly religious.

bren2002

I agree there's no place for religious iconography on top of this mountain.

fits

Goodness. I am speechless that is all.

MonkeyTennis

Perhaps you have as much right to take a cross down from a mountain as you have of putting one up there.

jank

beveragelady wrote: »

Against whom am I discriminating? People who don't want to climb a mountain unless there is a representation of an instrument of torture awaiting them at the summit?

You're right though, I find it difficult to tolerate eyesores.

Not all people are you... so ya, you are intollerant.

chrysagon

im surprised Lidl OR Aldi have not opened a unit up there!

beveragelady

jank wrote: »

Not all people are you... so ya, you are intollerant.

I'm not intollerant, I'm intolerant.
I'm intolerant of eyesores and stupidity and bigotry and laziness and lots of other things, but I'm not intolerant of people.

Satriale

chrysagon wrote: »

im surprised Lidl OR Aldi have not opened a unit up there!

If they move fast i hear there's a need for a Weekly Special welder.

Squeedily Spooch

Graces7 wrote: »

Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

The mountain itself is a sign of beauty, sticking a bronze age method of slowly killing people up there doesn't make it any more beautiful.

Molester Stallone II

Graces7 wrote: »

Then you are intolerant. Period. Discriminatory too

Hoping it is replaced and soon.. that sign is of hope and beauty which we need so much

Nothing beautiful about that cross at all.
It should be unlawful to erect any such eyesore upon one of our true national wonders

suicide_circus

Lads we better bulldoze Christchurch and St Patricks cathedral, religious iconography have no place on public roads. Better start melting down all the bronze statues in towns and cities around thr country, they dont represent my beliefs or culture and therefore offend me.

Molester Stallone II

suicide_circus wrote: »

Lads we better bulldoze Christchurch and St Patricks cathedral, religious iconography have no place on public roads. Better start melting down all the bronze statues in towns and cities around thr country, they dont represent my beliefs or culture and therefore offend me.

I'll give ya a hand!

DeadHand

beveragelady wrote: »

but I'm not intolerant of people.

Not even vandals, apparently.

And, yes, if you gloat at the removal of a religious monument because you do not agree with that religion then you are a bigot.

This cultural/religious destruction is the kind of thing ISIS and the Taliban engage in.

CrazyRabbit

Put it back up. Along with a statue of Buddha, Zeus, Mohammed and the flying spaghetti monster etc.

chrysagon

id like a monument dedicated to that purple bast*rd Barney!!!

gctest50

bit cold for FEMEN to be topless up there with a consaw ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO2Ae3Nw-Kg

go chainsaw woman

hmmm

I've climbed Carrauntoohill a few times and I've always hated seeing it there, but this sort of vandalism is inexcusable. If any new Christian (or other religious) symbols appeared this morning on top of a mountain I'd happily cut them down myself, but when something has been up there long enough it becomes part of what the mountain is, and part of our heritage.

jank

beveragelady wrote: »

I'm not intollerant, I'm intolerant.
I'm intolerant of eyesores and stupidity and bigotry and laziness and lots of other things, but I'm not intolerant of people.

Oh added to being 'intolerant' you are also a spelling Nazi.
Well done, try harder next time.

RED L4 0TH

beveragelady wrote: »

First of all, may I state clearly that it wasn't me.
Secondly, I'm delighted to hear that the cross on Carrauntoohil is gone. It has always annoyed me to find a religious symbol at the top of various mountains, as if they have been claimed in the name of some god or other.

So we'll see you on top of Croagh Patick with a wrecking ball fairly soon then.......

Highflyer13

Keep it down ta f**k. Its only a blight on the landscape. No doubt the Government will say this is more evidence of ISIS in the country.

beveragelady

suicide_circus wrote: »

Lads we better bulldoze Christchurch and St Patricks cathedral, religious iconography have no place on public roads. Better start melting down all the bronze statues in towns and cities around thr country, they dont represent my beliefs or culture and therefore offend me.

Churches and cathedrals are purpose-built places where people go to worship. Why would I enter a church unless I wanted to worship? As well as that, they are often of artistic, cultural and architectural interest.
Mountains are lovely great big lumps of planet earth that are fun to walk up and down, mindblowingly beautiful and gloriously non-denominational. The presence of a cross bothers some people. The absence of a cross bothers nobody.

RobertKK

You see crosses on lots of mountains across Europe, often overlooking a village, town or city.

One would have to be mentally suspect to get so worked up about a cross on a mountain.
We have a Christian heritage whether one likes it or not, and removing symbols of this is not going to change society or our heritage.

davycc

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Keep it down ta f**k. Its only a blight on the landscape. No doubt the Government will say this is more evidence of ISIS in the country.

This plus 1 :-)

FrStone

We will have to start guarding crosses on other mountains, in case this is part of some sick plan.

madcabbage

Lads regardless of what everyone thinks of religion nowadays it's a senseless act. It's a shame for those who might have not climbed the mountain to have a glance. Most people get pics taken with the cross, it's a thing that's done.

To Elland Back

Shouldn't really be any religious symbols in our national parks or our natural beauty spots. That's from a bygone era and best left there in my opinion

RED L4 0TH

FrStone wrote: »

We will have to start guarding crosses on other mountains, in case this is part of some sick plan.

http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/10354509_577557725696914_1148713453_a.jpg

beveragelady

RobertKK wrote: »

You see crosses on lots of mountains across Europe, often overlooking a village, town or city.

One would have to be mentally suspect to get so worked up about a cross on a mountain.
We have a Christian heritage whether one likes it or not, and removing symbols of this is not going to change society or our heritage.

I agree that whoever cut the cross down is probably not entirely mentally stable, maybe they're working through some issues of their own, but I'm still glad it's gone.

The cross has only been there since the seventies, so it's a bit of a stretch to call it part of our heritage.

RobertKK

beveragelady wrote: »

I agree that whoever cut the cross down is probably not entirely mentally stable, maybe they're working through some issues of their own, but I'm still glad it's gone.

The cross has only been there since the seventies, so it's a bit of a stretch to call it part of our heritage.

No doubt it will be replaced, otherwise is giving in to vandals.

The person or people responsible had no mandate to carry out such an action.

Squeedily Spooch

RobertKK wrote: »

No doubt it will be replaced, otherwise is giving in to vandals.

The person or people responsible had no mandate to carry out such an action.

Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.

amdublin

Allyall wrote: »

Regardless, If they wanted it down, they could have started a petition.
At the time it was erected, Ireland was a very Catholic Country, as time went on, it stood as reminder of our past.
Are they going to go and cut down all the crosses in Glendalough because they don't agree with them?

I couldn't care either way if the cross was there or not, but there are better ways to go about it.

And what about the pope's cross in the Phoenix Park. Someone takes a disliking to that, are they just going to go in and hack that down?

I like what you say about it being a reminder of our past.

Laura Palmer

I'm all for secularisation too, but not forcing this secularism on others (as that is doing exactly what's being objected to in terms of religion) and removing this old symbol of christianity via vandalism is not the way to go.

RobertKK

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.

How long is it there?

One eyed Jack

beveragelady wrote: »

Churches and cathedrals are purpose-built places where people go to worship. Why would I enter a church unless I wanted to worship? As well as that, they are often of artistic, cultural and architectural interest.
Mountains are lovely great big lumps of planet earth that are fun to walk up and down, mindblowingly beautiful and gloriously non-denominational. The presence of a cross bothers some people. The absence of a cross bothers nobody some people just as much.

FYP there. It's a part of this country's history and it's nothing short of sheer malicious vandalism and spite on the part of those cowards who took it upon themselves to cut it down.

nc6000

They must have had some extension lead with them.

FrStone

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

Nor did the ones sticking it up there in the first place. It's a natural beauty, leave it alone.

They most certainly did have a mandate when it was erected in 1976. There was huge support for it, it was erected to replace the older wooden cross.

The community got together to ensure that a cross would be on the mountain.

Molester Stallone II

RobertKK wrote: »

How long is it there?

Oh, it's there's hundreds of years, its been there since way back in 1976

artanevilla

The hill is private property is it not?

Shiraz 4.99

I didn't complain when someone put it up, I'm not going to complain when someone cut it down. Meh with an extra topping of mehness.