**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

hju6

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

FYP

Is that text speak?
What does it mean, I can't afford an iPhone,

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

Give it a few weeks, the protestors will be at each other's throats.
Half of them want to sack thousands of public servants, the other half are hard-left, unionised, job-for-life boyos.

None of them on this thread can actually agree what they'd do as an alternative.

It's funny to watch.

Today's ill advised protest will drive a further wedge between them

Watch this space, sit back and enjoy the show......

I know I will:D

I'll advised. Have you seen the official video for marketing the 2016 risings. I'll advised.? How much did FG labour pay for it.

Not a single mention of the participants of that day or notion of what it was about.

And your talking about I'll advised. Im sitting back and laughing at FG.

Hilarious that we are rounding off the 100 years since we're we are.

tayto lover

hju6 wrote: »

Is that text speak?
What does it mean, I can't afford an iPhone,

For Your Protest

She's left the dark side.

Barely There

listermint wrote: »

I'll advised. Have you seen the official video for marketing the 2016 risings. I'll advised.? How much did FG labour pay for it.

Not a single mention of the participants of that day or notion of what it was about.

And your talking about I'll advised. Im sitting back and laughing at FG.

Hilarious that we are rounding off the 100 years since we're we are.

Might be point in there somewhere, good luck finding it folks.

Think it's either something about the gym, or the PPS numbers.

Ace2007

listermint wrote: »

I'll advised. Have you seen the official video for marketing the 2016 risings. I'll advised.? How much did FG labour pay for it.

Not a single mention of the participants of that day or notion of what it was about.

And your talking about I'll advised. Im sitting back and laughing at FG.

Hilarious that we are rounding off the 100 years since we're we are.

Are you choosing to ignore my questions put to you about the alternative government to FG/FF/labor, i.e. sinn fein?

You can attack the current government all day long, but when you start looking at the alternative, they aren't much better - some may say even worse.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Ace2007 wrote: »

Are you choosing to ignore my questions put to you about the alternative government to FG/FF/labor, i.e. sinn fein?

You can attack the current government all day long, but when you start looking at the alternative, they aren't much better - some may say even worse.

No I'm blatantly ignoring you because I answered the question from you days ago. Its Boring repeating it. If. You want and answer scroll leftwards. I won't be rehashing your memory for you xxx

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

Might be point in there somewhere, good luck finding it folks.

Think it's either something about the gym, or the PPS numbers.

You know well that you made a point if a saying the protesters were disgracing the day.

I put it to you FG labour paid a marketing company large sums promoting commemorations of which none of it mentions the actual people involved in 1916.

You clearly haven't seen the official promotional video released today.

Its bad even by your standards

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Streetwalker wrote: »

The only thing im enjoying is watching IW fall apart and bring the government down with them. Is so sweet.

Deleted User wrote: »

FYP

hju6 wrote: »

Is that text speak?
What does it mean, I can't afford an iPhone,

tayto lover wrote: »

For Your Protest

She's left the dark side.

Ha Ha

twowheelsgood

Ace2007 wrote: »

You can attack the current government all day long, but when you start looking at the alternative, they aren't much better - some may say even worse.

The next government (assuming the current gang don't return ) will almost certainly be worse. It will very likely be unstable (relying on independents) and have a strong left leaning feel to it.

Just as well that considerable ground has already been so quickly made in our economic recovery.

Ace2007

listermint wrote: »

No I'm blatantly ignoring you because I answered the question from you days ago. Its Boring repeating it. If. You want and answer scroll leftwards. I won't be rehashing your memory for you xxx

Really i only ask it today.

But it's good to see you and others ignore the questions when put to them and attack a relative of a 1916 hero gave her opinion - she's wrong and you right mentally for everything.

You know it all, but sadly like in other threads, you won't win, i remember end of the road insisted the Garth brooks concerts would go ahead, that Enda would step in and sort it out - no concerts took place. he attached every poster (just like here) who had a different opinion to him.

For water, it's simple, allowances will be given to those less off who cannot afford to pay - like the GAS/ESB while the rest will pay for what they use or standing charge and the protestors will disappear.


xxx

Barely There

listermint wrote: »

You know well that you made a point if a saying the protesters were disgracing the day.

Nope, still not getting any of this.

Can anyone else translate this?

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Ace2007 wrote: »

Really i only ask it today.

But it's good to see you and others ignore the questions when put to them and attack a relative of a 1916 hero gave her opinion - she's wrong and you right mentally for everything.

You know it all, but sadly like in other threads, you won't win, i remember end of the road insisted the Garth brooks concerts would go ahead, that Enda would step in and sort it out - no concerts took place. he attached every poster (just like here) who had a different opinion to him.

For water, it's simple, allowances will be given to those less off who cannot afford to pay - like the GAS/ESB while the rest will pay for what they use or standing charge and the protestors will disappear.


xxx

Just screenshot that waffle for December

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

Nope, still not getting any of this.

Can anyone else translate this?

No worries. I wasnt expecting the point to be visible to those perhaps less than educated

In Lonesome Dove

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Whenever the next recession/depression comes that will mean maybe 100,000 more unemployed. Which will reduce the income tax base and increase the Social Welfare spend. It will be good for whoever is trying to balance the books to have the property tax and whatever is coming in from water charges. And not have to fund bins and motor/road tax from general taxation. They are among the "double taxation" which people are paying now.

Over and above that we are heading for a situation where there will be less and less workers to pay income tax as a proportion of the overall population. Life expectancy is rising rapidly and there will be increased calls on public spending for pensions and geriatric health care. Now is as good a time as any to take water funding out of general taxation to some extent and let the user pay something at least. The income tax take can only keep shrinking in proportion to the demands for spending.

It's not too hard to predict recessions and depressions. From memory I think there have been 47 of them in the United States to date.

I hear what you are saying regarding broadening the tax base. Even with a broadened tax base, the next recession/depression is still going to create a hole. Let's say for example, Ireland gets its books in order broadening the tax base and we go about fixing the current crisis and 2/3 more decades we are good again and bang another recession hits. With the economy contracting, it's going to create the same problems - banking soaking up money, unemployment, tax falling, increased spending, deficit, debt. A broadened tax base isn't going to fix this. Taking our nearest neighbour - the UK, they have a broadened tax base but still have the same problems as us. The core of the problem goes deeper.

tayto lover

twowheelsgood wrote: »

The next government (assuming the current gang don't return ) will almost certainly be worse. It will very likely be unstable (relying on independents) and have a strong left leaning feel to it.

Just as well that considerable ground has already been so quickly made in our economic recovery.

Do you think that the next Govt might have learned a lesson regarding cronyism and how Govts spends our taxes after a long series of marches and protests?

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Barely There wrote: »

Nope, still not getting any of this.

Can anyone else translate this?

listermint wrote: »

No worries. I wasnt expecting the point to be visible to those perhaps less than educated

Here i will do it for you .

http://www.publicinquiry.eu/2014/11/12/major-irish-water-story-surpressed-by-rte/

Just throwing sh1te out there like your good self BT .

Great game eh?

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

Do you think that the next Govt might have learned a lesson regarding cronyism and how Govts spends our taxes after a long series of marches and protests?

Did this government learn anything about cronyism and corruption from the last lot?

dxhound2005

twowheelsgood wrote: »

The next government (assuming the current gang don't return ) will almost certainly be worse. It will very likely be unstable (relying on independents) and have a strong left leaning feel to it.

Just as well that considerable ground has already been so quickly made in our economic recovery.

There is an interesting conjunction of events due. Northern Ireland will have to have the Assembly elections in May 2016 at the latest. Before that the current situation where water charges were long fingered in 2007 and 2011 will come up for discussion again at the end of 2015. Anti Sinn Fein republicans are saying that water meters have already been installed in Belfast and households have received letters asking them to nominate how they want to pay for water in future.

http://www.republicanunity.org/water-charges-notification-received-by-residents-in-belfast/

No word of this in the O'Brien or Murdoch press or in An Phoblacht. It hard to know what to make of it but RNU are very active in the South also in the anti campaign. One way or another I expect that the parties in the North will be under severe pressure from Westminster to finally accept some form of water charges. Now that we have joined the rest of the world they are the only developed country left with no water charges.

It will make for interesting election campaign North and South. Every constituency here will have at least one, probably several "anti austerity" candidates, so nobody can complain of a lack of political choice.

twowheelsgood

tayto lover wrote: »

Do you think that the next Govt might have learned a lesson regarding cronyism and how Govts spends our taxes after a long series of marches and protests?

The marchers and protesters don’t have any alternatives or answers so no future government can learn anything there.

As for the supposed cronyism, well weren’t the previous FF led government dispatched for this reason (seemingly) and the current FG led government are all corrupt (apparently!) so if the current gang learned nothing from the previous lot, why do you expect the next lot to learn anything from the current lot?

tayto lover

twowheelsgood wrote: »

The marchers and protesters don’t have any alternatives or answers so no future government can learn anything there.

As for the supposed cronyism, well weren’t the previous FF led government dispatched for this reason (seemingly) and the current FG led government are all corrupt (apparently!) so if the current gang learned nothing from the previous lot, why do you expect the next lot to learn anything from the current lot?

I don't expect much from any politician in power.
Not a banker in prison, speculators and gamblers now employed by NAMA, and politicians suppressing evidence of tax irregularities.
Nothing changes in this country.

twowheelsgood

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't expect much from any politician in power.
Not a banker in prison, speculators and gamblers now employed by NAMA, and politicians suppressing evidence of tax irregularities.
Nothing changes in this country.

So you'll vote for the current lot again, as it make no difference one way or the other? :P

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Did this government learn anything about cronyism and corruption from the last lot?

Clearly they did, based on the way that they've allowed IW to be set up, they've managed to become FF in blue, just about everything they've done in that respect could have been taken straight from the guide book of how to operate the Galway tent, and they've shown themselves to be very adept at learning how to work "the system" very quickly. Clearly, their masters in the various departments are getting very good at training them in. Shades of "Yes Minister"!!

I think they may be slightly more awake to reality now than they were, but there's a LONG way to go before there's any evidence of real change, and that change will need to be ongoing if the people are to have any confidence that they have been listening.

They were not expecting the number or volume of protests, and ideally, what should be happening now is that people who would not normally contact their TD's should be sending letters of protest about the manner in which FG is abandoning their manifesto and morals, if enough people do that, perhaps they will get the message that they are the ones that have to change.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't expect much from any politician in power.
Not a banker in prison, speculators and gamblers now employed by NAMA, and politicians suppressing evidence of tax irregularities.
Nothing changes in this country.

Same sh1t, different day.
Look out for your own interests first, that's my motto now.
Family first, country last.
I never used to be so cynical....

Red Pepper

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't expect much from any politician in power.
Not a banker in prison, speculators and gamblers now employed by NAMA, and politicians suppressing evidence of tax irregularities.
Nothing changes in this country.

And many people don't want change. Call it Stockholm Syndrome or Colonial mentality or whatever, it's pathetic.

tayto lover

twowheelsgood wrote: »

So you'll vote for the current lot again, as it make no difference one way or the other? :P

Maybe we need another Rising in 2016.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Irish Steve wrote: »

Clearly they did, based on the way that they've allowed IW to be set up, they've managed to become FF in blue, just about everything they've done in that respect could have been taken straight from the guide book of how to operate the Galway tent, and they've shown themselves to be very adept at learning how to work "the system" very quickly. Clearly, their masters in the various departments are getting very good at training them in. Shades of "Yes Minister"!!

I think they may be slightly more awake to reality now than they were, but there's a LONG way to go before there's any evidence of real change, and that change will need to be ongoing if the people are to have any confidence that they have been listening.

They were not expecting the number or volume of protests, and ideally, what should be happening now is that people who would not normally contact their TD's should be sending letters of protest about the manner in which FG is abandoning their manifesto and morals, if enough people do that, perhaps they will get the message that they are the ones that have to change.

I'm on this planet long enough now to know that FF and FG are one and the same.
It's a game they play and we, up to now, have played along too.
No more.......

twowheelsgood

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe we need another Rising in 2016.

Or maybe we could look around and see that things are improving on a lot of fronts.

hju6

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Same sh1t, different day.
Look out for your own interests first, that's my motto now.
Family first, country last.
I never used to be so cynical....

Same here,

regards, DOB

tayto lover

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Or maybe we could look around and see that things are improving on a lot of fronts.

My incomings and outgoings and those of my children would say otherwise.

hju6

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Or maybe we could look around and see that things are improving on a lot of fronts.

You must be very tall....