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Rally for general election Dublin Nov 27th

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    #32
    awec
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    Can we just introduce a tax on stupid protests?


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    #33
    smash
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Yeah, particularly when you compare how the previous government handled it, oh wait....
    Look, the previous government fcuked up! This government not only fcuked up but they've completely gone against all their own policies too.

    People need to stop talking about what the previous government did in order to somehow defend what the current government is doing. Get over it and move on with trying to make things a bit better.


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    #34
    Scannal
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    Plus this government would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in.


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    #35
    Skylinehead
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    smash wrote: »
    No matter how many people protest, Enda Kenny is just way too arrogant to call an election. His whole attitude is "Ah fcuk them, they'll get over it!"
    Why would a tiny minority of people protesting compel anybody to call an election?


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    #36
    Kermit.de.frog
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    It makes my blood boil when people like the OP come out with "corrupt" government. It's the lowest common denominator.

    Showing us fact by fact, instant by instant what corruption the government is involved in might be a good idea.

    Can you do that OP since you are happy to throw around accusations of corruption?


    As for the clowns protesting for a general election. Our government is democratically elected. I wonder how many of these "protesters" even bother voting in elections. There are some dangerous anti democratic groups in Ireland - that is one thing we are learning recently.


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    #37
    irishfeen
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    smash wrote: »
    Look, the previous government fcuked up! This government not only fcuked up but they've completely gone against all their own policies too.

    People need to stop talking about what the previous government did in order to somehow defend what the current government is doing. Get over it and move on with trying to make things a bit better.
    What policies have this government realistically fcuked up? Economically we are among the strongest in Europe once again.


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    #38
    ThisRegard
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    smash wrote: »
    move on with trying to make things a bit better.

    As what seems to be happening with the current government, that people want outed ?


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    #39
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    Plus this government would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in.

    That is just not true. Can you back up your assertion?


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    #40
    Scannal
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    That is just not true. Can you back up your assertion?

    It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.


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    #41
    Breffnigolfer
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    Paul Murphy was elected in a bye-election recently with a voter turnout of 35%. Why should such complete and utter disdain for the electoral process be rewarded with a General Election?

    I'd love if any of those calling for a General Election can tell us
    1. Who should replace the current Government?
    and
    2. How do they propose to satisfy the demands of those currently protesting against the current administration?

    The irony of Gerry Adams, shield and defender of robbers, murderers, thieves and rapists, and Mick Wallace, thief (VAT fraudster) standing up in our Dáil demanding propriety is not lost on me. These people have no alternatives. They have no solutions. They are noting but populist agitators without any substance or solution to offer us.


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    #42
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.

    What's in their programme for Govt?

    You have specifically said "..would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in"

    What does that mean?


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    #43
    ThisRegard
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    Scannal wrote: »
    It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.

    What, they had a point in their program saying if we get elected we promise to make a bigger mess of the country than anyone else could ?


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    #44
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    What is also clear is all those campaigning against the Govt do not understand the depths of economic difficulty FF and their various coalition partners left this Country in. The problem was/is so bad, it will take 20 years to recover. It's laughable to see the FF supporters claiming FF should no longer be mentioned when our difficulties are being discussed.


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    #45
    smash
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Why would a tiny minority of people protesting compel anybody to call an election?

    It wouldn't. But like I said, it doesn't matter what the number is because Enda's so far up his own hole!
    irishfeen wrote: »
    What policies have this government realistically fcuked up? Economically we are among the strongest in Europe once again.
    This government bang on about what they're doing and how great the recovery is etc etc. Realistically, most people are not seeing any benefits to any supposed recovery and all the government is doing is what FF would be doing if they were still in power - following the orders of the Troika and the ECB. You'd expect it from FG because they're just FF without the balls, but if I was a Labour Supporter I'd be fuming about what's happened because they're a bunch of liars.

    If you want an example of a fcuk up - Medical Cards!
    An example of lies - Water charges and property tax!

    There have been no real good news stories in years, it's all smoke and mirrors. Last year the government said they were supposed to make a bailout payment of 3b but were only going to pay 2.7 to reduce the burden on the tax payer - That was a lie, they had just sold the National Lottery for 600m and 50% of all state asset sales have to go to bailout payments. They still made a 3b payout, they just wanted to make themselves look good or as if they had any negotiating skills.


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    #46
    Scannal
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    What's in their programme for Govt?

    You have specifically said "..would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in"

    What does that mean?

    Their program for government was in their program for government. The policies they were going to implement, it would have blew up the property bubble even further.


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    #47
    Scannal
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    What, they had a point in their program saying if we get elected we promise to make a bigger mess of the country than anyone else could ?

    No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.


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    #48
    ThisRegard
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    Scannal wrote: »
    No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.

    Tell us what points exactly would have made it worse, and how ?


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    #49
    Menas
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    Burn the bond holders.
    Increase social welfare.
    Increase the minimum wage.
    Sack all the bankers.
    Make the rich pay 99% tax.
    Bring in a mansion tax.
    Debt relief for anyone who cant afford it.
    Double the wages of the working man.
    No more fat cat foreign companys.
    Take 100% of all revenues from oil and gas exploration.

    Blah blah blah...I have a headache thinking about the demands of the loony left.


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    #50
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Another point, badly, or deliberately, misunderstood, is the election manifestos were those of individual parties, manifestos which were easy to generate as it was almost certain no party would get the overall mandate to implement all their promises.

    The electorate voted for a coalition thereby, either unwittingly or not, negating every manifesto presented to the voters. The Programme for Government was the result of a negotiated agreement between Labour and FG.

    One only has to think back to Bertie spending tens of millions of our money to buy the votes of Jackie Healy Rae and others. When an FOI request was put in to see this agreement it was found Bertie had signed an agreement on FF paper thereby making it out of the reaches of the FOI Act.

    Whatever about the current Government, they may be clumsy, they may be, in some cases, inept, but they are not corrupt and they are a long way from the likes of the FF led Govts of the past 30 years.


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    #51
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.

    So, you're criticising them for something they didn't do? Do you not see how ridiculous your argument is?


    Are you talking about a manifesto or a Programme for Govt?


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    #52
    smash
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    The electorate voted for a coalition

    No, they didn't. The electorate voted for the parties they wanted to run the country. The majority parties then formed a coalition so there'd be a government.


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    #53
    Scannal
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Tell us what points exactly would have made it worse, and how ?

    Well it would have been hard to make the situation much worse than what happened, FF and FG policies have always been very similar but in this instance FG promises would have blown up the property bubble to higher levels which would have made the crash even uglier.


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    #54
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    Their program for government was in their program for government. The policies they were going to implement, it would have blew up the property bubble even further.

    We'll never know. You are criticising them for a hypothetical situation, one that never happened. Get real, please?


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    #55
    Breffnigolfer
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    smash wrote: »
    No, they didn't. The electorate voted for the parties they wanted to run the country. The majority parties then formed a coalition so there'd be a government.

    Yes they did. The results of their votes ensured we had a Coalition. That's how the electoral system works.


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    #56
    Scannal
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    So, you're criticising them for something they didn't do? Do you not see how ridiculous your argument is?


    Are you talking about a manifesto or a Programme for Govt?

    No, I'm criticising them for something they said they would do. The truth is that we would have been in the same mess whether FF or FG were in power and we would have had the same policies from either after the mess was made.


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    #57
    Scannal
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    We'll never know. You are criticising them for a hypothetical situation, one that never happened. Get real, please?

    You're saying they were lying then? I suppose that's very beleivable alright.


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    #58
    Scannal
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Yes they did. The results of their votes ensured we had a Coalition. That's how the electoral system works.

    So they didn't vote for a coalition.


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    #59
    smash
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Yes they did. The results of their votes ensured we had a Coalition. That's how the electoral system works.

    It's how it works, but it's not what the voters wanted or what the voted for. It's basically saying "Here's a choice" and then saying "screw your choice".


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    #60
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    No, I'm criticising them for something they said they would do. The truth is that we would have been in the same mess whether FF or FG were in power and we would have had the same policies from either after the mess was made.

    You cannot say that, you're speculating.

    Face the facts. Look at Ireland's economic indicators, they are excellent. The Country has been well managed by this Govt and is on the road to recovery. The protests about water are from those who are spongers, who do not want to pay for something that costs money. What about the 250,000 or so homes that are not on Public Water? These people have to pay for their water and they are not out on the streets.

    Can you imagine the Shinners in Govt? The same people making little of a rape victim? These people have no economic policies. They pay their water rates in the North, for some reason.


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    #61
    Breffnigolfer
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    Scannal wrote: »
    You're saying they were lying then? I suppose that's very beleivable alright.

    You are twisting what I posted, a bad sign in a debate. You are speculating, I'm dealing with facts.


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