Rally for general election Dublin Nov 27th

renegademaster

so, there's a rally called for Nov 27th in Dublin to convince our corrupt government to throw in the towel. This is a hugely signifigant date in recent Irish history when 150,000+ Irish people gathered on O Connell St on 27th Nov 2010 to force Brian Cowen to call general elections, and the following week it was so.

https://www.facebook.com/events/374849422673574/?fref=ts

Streetwalker

renegademaster wrote: »

so, there's a rally called for Nov 27th in Dublin to convince our corrupt government to throw in the towel. This is a hugely signifigant date in recent Irish history when 150,000+ Irish people gathered on O Connell St on 27th Nov 2010 to force Brian Cowen to call general elections, and the following week it was so.

https://www.facebook.com/events/374849422673574/?fref=ts

Needs to happen sooner rather than later. This shower are useless.

valoren

March to call a general election.
The general election is called.
The useless shower is replaced with a useless shower.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Robbo

renegademaster wrote: »

so, there's a rally called for Nov 27th in Dublin to convince our corrupt government to throw in the towel. This is a hugely signifigant date in recent Irish history when 150,000+ Irish people gathered on O Connell St on 27th Nov 2010 to force Brian Cowen to call general elections, and the following week it was so.

https://www.facebook.com/events/374849422673574/?fref=ts

Wasn't that Dail dissolved in January 2011, mainly due to the Greens pulling out?

Leslie91

Streetwalker wrote: »

Needs to happen sooner rather than later. This shower are useless.

The extra scary thing is that there is no alternative waiting in the wings. To me one is worse than the other.

renegademaster

valoren wrote: »

March to call a general election.
The general election is called.
The useless shower is replaced with a useless shower.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

no, the next crowd of potential tds are witnessing the largest protest movement here since 1922 and it needs to keep growing so that corruption isn't as viable an option anymore. it's looking good on all fronts now the people are taking to the streets in huge numbers :pac:

Robbo wrote: »

Wasn't that Dail dissolved in January 2011, mainly due to the Greens pulling out?

you are correct but fianna fail government business still carried on right up to exiting office, the Nov 2010 protests forced fianna fail to admit the game was up and that day was the final nail in their coffin. the greens thought they'd save face by pulling their guys out but it was already far too late for them at that late stage

BoJack Horseman

renegademaster wrote: »

so, there's a rally called for Nov 27th in Dublin to convince our corrupt government to throw in the towel.

Didn't you start a thread calling for annual general elections if governments weren't populist enough?

Relax.
Its just 18 short months until you can have Martin Ferris as minister of defence & Joe Higgins as minister of finance.

That joyeous day will come soon enough.

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

no, the next crowd of potential tds are witnessing the largest protest movement here since 1922 and it needs to keep growing so that corruption isn't as viable an option anymore. it's looking good on all fronts now the people are taking to the streets in huge numbers :pac:

So, if we take the upper figure of 150000 people who protested last weekend (I'm being generous).

Last census had the population at 4,588,252.

So there were 4.4 million people not part of your protest. Hardly a critical mass.

conditioned games

For Forks Sake wrote: »

So, if we take the upper figure of 150000 people who protested last weekend (I'm being generous).

Last census had the population at 4,588,252.

So there were 4.4 million people not part of your protest. Hardly a critical mass.

It would work out just under 3.3% of the people protesting. Critical mass is an over statement. Current government have been doing a good job but the Irish water could be handled a bit better.

RobertKK

Ruth Coppinger on Newstalk yesterday said a person earning €95,000 a year could be called working class once they worked, but no one would be allowed under a socialist party government to earn over €100k, including those in the private sector.
She said this wouldn't scare people away from the country.
Like we can have elections but people will still elect stupid people

Flange/Flanders

renegademaster wrote: »

our corrupt government.

Where the he'll is the corruption rubbish coming from?!

ThisRegard

Robbo wrote: »

Wasn't that Dail dissolved in January 2011, mainly due to the Greens pulling out?

Shush, no place for facts.


This march is hilarious though. A tiny minority marching to ask a democratically elected government to stand down. It's not as if they sprung the water charges on the electorate after they were elected.

But as I said, no place for facts with this nonsense.

tritium

Happy enough with the job the current lot are doing tbh, especially given the starting point they had. Certainly don't see any better options in what's being offered up. So I'll have to decline your invite I'm afraid....

fxotoole

RobertKK wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger on Newstalk yesterday said a person earning €95,000 a year could be called working class once they worked, but no one would be allowed under a socialist party government to earn over €100k, including those in the private sector.
She said this wouldn't scare people away from the country.
Like we can have elections but people will still elect stupid people

Stupid is as stupid does.

Foxhound38

renegademaster wrote: »

so, there's a rally called for Nov 27th in Dublin to convince our corrupt government to throw in the towel. This is a hugely signifigant date in recent Irish history when 150,000+ Irish people gathered on O Connell St on 27th Nov 2010 to force Brian Cowen to call general elections, and the following week it was so.

https://www.facebook.com/events/374849422673574/?fref=ts

Specific instances of institutional corruption on the part of the current government?

You're forever calling these protests. What is it that you would like to see the government (this one or the next) do? You're very clear about what you're against, less so about what you are for.

tallaghtfornia

My honest opinion is this shower is as bad as the others Kennys PR skills are brutal and he is like an 'Old Headmaster', I can remember Bruton, Gilmore and Kenny in opposition and I sometimes think what they would be like now if they where there.

But been honest what is the alternative to this Government ? I really cant see anyone else that I would vote for.

ballsymchugh

RobertKK wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger on Newstalk yesterday said a person earning €95,000 a year could be called working class once they worked, but no one would be allowed under a socialist party government to earn over €100k, including those in the private sector.
She said this wouldn't scare people away from the country.
Like we can have elections but people will still elect stupid people

yeah, she also said that russia in 1917 was a beacon, and now it's ireland's turn to be a beacon!

For Forks Sake

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Specific instances of institutional corruption on the part of the current government?

You're forever calling these protests. What is it that you would like to see the government (this one or the next) do? You're very clear about what you're against, less so about what you are for.

Is there anything to be said for another mass?

SEPT 23 1989

a Thursday at 2pm?

most of us will be working hard to keep the show on the road

Flange/Flanders

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

a Thursday at 2pm?

most of us will be working hard to keep the show on the road

Capitalist pig

Rabbo

A rally to call for a general election would only make sense is you were proposing a credible alternative

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

a Thursday at 2pm?

most of us will be working hard to keep the show on the road

The usual rent-a-protest gang will be there for sure

ThisRegard

ballsymchugh wrote: »

yeah, she also said that russia in 1917 was a beacon, and now it's ireland's turn to be a beacon!

Really ? Did she really say that ? In a way I was glad she got elected to the dail from my constituency, she can't do any more damage while she's there.

irishfeen

We are projected the fastest growth rate in Europe this year, unemployment is nearing 10%, the public finances have stabilised, we can borrow money again from the markets and our social benefits remain among the best in the developed world to protect the poor and you want to kick them out .... This country never ceases to amaze me - sure why not throw Bertie back in there.

ballsymchugh

ThisRegard wrote: »

Really ? Did she really say that ? In a way I was glad she got elected to the dail from my constituency, she can't do any more damage while she's there.

yeah, listen at 13.30

http://www.newstalk.com/player/listen_back/8/14013/04th_November_2014_-_Moncrieff_Part_1

she also has interesting views on FDI at 10.15, in that she doesn't foresee a scenario where they can stay.
back to the stone age then.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Corrupt? Where did that come from? It's over exaggeration like that that weakens these anarchist movements.
I actually think this crowd did a reasonable job getting us out of the mess. I didn't vote for them but at the moment I would certainly vote them back in. Irish water was a debacle for sure but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it will be fixed. Considering the water charges muted by the previous government, I'd be reluctant to let them near it.

An election in 2016 will do me, as I want to see the overall impact of their efforts in a full term.

wretcheddomain

Before elections folks say "all politicians are the same".

Said folks want to call an election to remove FG/Labour, to replace them with who exactly?

Oh yeah, the other "useless politicians" waiting in the wings...

These people are so *stupid* they make the politicians they condemn look a whole lot smarter.

Idbatterim

We are projected the fastest growth rate in Europe this year, unemployment is nearing 10%, the public finances have stabilised, we can borrow money again from the markets and our social benefits remain among the best in the developed world to protect the poor and you want to kick them out .... This country never ceases to amaze me - sure why not throw Bertie back in there.

Labour wanted to prolong the austerity budgets and increase taxes, which would have done more damage. They have done a better job than the other lot would have done, I assume, pity they were hamstrung by Labour.

If I were to rate the government on their term, it would be 40-50%, just about a pass. But we see the usual **** with IW amongst others. I still see very little if any accountability. House prices jumping back up, where a generation have to smother themselves in debt for a generation to afford anything even semi decent, in Dublin in particular. Outrageous childcare, health costs, couple in particular paying at the marginal rate on very modest incomes and being bled dry...

The ones protesting for the most part are ones I would have very little to no sympathy for, they are the ones shouting the most, but have the least to shout about IMO...

Scannal

This government is the same as the last, we know from records that had FG been in power instead of FF then we would have ended up in a similar situation, maybe even worse. Since then most of the decision making has been done for us, yet the little bit that the government has to do they screw up.

Son Of A Vidic

Robbo wrote: »

due to the Greens pulling out?

Coitus interruptus?

smash

No matter how many people protest, Enda Kenny is just way too arrogant to call an election. His whole attitude is "Ah fcuk them, they'll get over it!"

ThisRegard

smash wrote: »

No matter how many people protest, Enda Kenny is just way too arrogant to call an election. His whole attitude is "Ah fcuk them, they'll get over it!"

Yeah, particularly when you compare how the previous government handled it, oh wait....

awec

Can we just introduce a tax on stupid protests?

smash

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, particularly when you compare how the previous government handled it, oh wait....

Look, the previous government fcuked up! This government not only fcuked up but they've completely gone against all their own policies too.

People need to stop talking about what the previous government did in order to somehow defend what the current government is doing. Get over it and move on with trying to make things a bit better.

Scannal

Plus this government would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in.

Skylinehead

smash wrote: »

No matter how many people protest, Enda Kenny is just way too arrogant to call an election. His whole attitude is "Ah fcuk them, they'll get over it!"

Why would a tiny minority of people protesting compel anybody to call an election?

Kermit.de.frog

It makes my blood boil when people like the OP come out with "corrupt" government. It's the lowest common denominator.

Showing us fact by fact, instant by instant what corruption the government is involved in might be a good idea.

Can you do that OP since you are happy to throw around accusations of corruption?


As for the clowns protesting for a general election. Our government is democratically elected. I wonder how many of these "protesters" even bother voting in elections. There are some dangerous anti democratic groups in Ireland - that is one thing we are learning recently.

irishfeen

smash wrote: »

Look, the previous government fcuked up! This government not only fcuked up but they've completely gone against all their own policies too.

People need to stop talking about what the previous government did in order to somehow defend what the current government is doing. Get over it and move on with trying to make things a bit better.

What policies have this government realistically fcuked up? Economically we are among the strongest in Europe once again.

ThisRegard

smash wrote: »

move on with trying to make things a bit better.

As what seems to be happening with the current government, that people want outed ?

Breffnigolfer

Scannal wrote: »

Plus this government would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in.

That is just not true. Can you back up your assertion?

Scannal

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

That is just not true. Can you back up your assertion?

It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.

Breffnigolfer

Paul Murphy was elected in a bye-election recently with a voter turnout of 35%. Why should such complete and utter disdain for the electoral process be rewarded with a General Election?

I'd love if any of those calling for a General Election can tell us
1. Who should replace the current Government?
and
2. How do they propose to satisfy the demands of those currently protesting against the current administration?

The irony of Gerry Adams, shield and defender of robbers, murderers, thieves and rapists, and Mick Wallace, thief (VAT fraudster) standing up in our Dáil demanding propriety is not lost on me. These people have no alternatives. They have no solutions. They are noting but populist agitators without any substance or solution to offer us.

Breffnigolfer

Scannal wrote: »

It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.

What's in their programme for Govt?

You have specifically said "..would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in"

What does that mean?

ThisRegard

Scannal wrote: »

It's in their program for government they set out pre election before Bertie got in for the last time.

What, they had a point in their program saying if we get elected we promise to make a bigger mess of the country than anyone else could ?

Breffnigolfer

What is also clear is all those campaigning against the Govt do not understand the depths of economic difficulty FF and their various coalition partners left this Country in. The problem was/is so bad, it will take 20 years to recover. It's laughable to see the FF supporters claiming FF should no longer be mentioned when our difficulties are being discussed.

smash

Skylinehead wrote: »

Why would a tiny minority of people protesting compel anybody to call an election?

It wouldn't. But like I said, it doesn't matter what the number is because Enda's so far up his own hole!

irishfeen wrote: »

What policies have this government realistically fcuked up? Economically we are among the strongest in Europe once again.

This government bang on about what they're doing and how great the recovery is etc etc. Realistically, most people are not seeing any benefits to any supposed recovery and all the government is doing is what FF would be doing if they were still in power - following the orders of the Troika and the ECB. You'd expect it from FG because they're just FF without the balls, but if I was a Labour Supporter I'd be fuming about what's happened because they're a bunch of liars.

If you want an example of a fcuk up - Medical Cards!
An example of lies - Water charges and property tax!

There have been no real good news stories in years, it's all smoke and mirrors. Last year the government said they were supposed to make a bailout payment of 3b but were only going to pay 2.7 to reduce the burden on the tax payer - That was a lie, they had just sold the National Lottery for 600m and 50% of all state asset sales have to go to bailout payments. They still made a 3b payout, they just wanted to make themselves look good or as if they had any negotiating skills.

Scannal

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

What's in their programme for Govt?

You have specifically said "..would have put us in a similar or worse situation than the previous government left us in"

What does that mean?

Their program for government was in their program for government. The policies they were going to implement, it would have blew up the property bubble even further.

Scannal

ThisRegard wrote: »

What, they had a point in their program saying if we get elected we promise to make a bigger mess of the country than anyone else could ?

No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.

ThisRegard

Scannal wrote: »

No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.

Tell us what points exactly would have made it worse, and how ?

Menas

Burn the bond holders.
Increase social welfare.
Increase the minimum wage.
Sack all the bankers.
Make the rich pay 99% tax.
Bring in a mansion tax.
Debt relief for anyone who cant afford it.
Double the wages of the working man.
No more fat cat foreign companys.
Take 100% of all revenues from oil and gas exploration.

Blah blah blah...I have a headache thinking about the demands of the loony left.

Breffnigolfer

Another point, badly, or deliberately, misunderstood, is the election manifestos were those of individual parties, manifestos which were easy to generate as it was almost certain no party would get the overall mandate to implement all their promises.

The electorate voted for a coalition thereby, either unwittingly or not, negating every manifesto presented to the voters. The Programme for Government was the result of a negotiated agreement between Labour and FG.

One only has to think back to Bertie spending tens of millions of our money to buy the votes of Jackie Healy Rae and others. When an FOI request was put in to see this agreement it was found Bertie had signed an agreement on FF paper thereby making it out of the reaches of the FOI Act.

Whatever about the current Government, they may be clumsy, they may be, in some cases, inept, but they are not corrupt and they are a long way from the likes of the FF led Govts of the past 30 years.

Breffnigolfer

Scannal wrote: »

No, what was in their program for government would have made a bigger mess of the country if it was implemented.

So, you're criticising them for something they didn't do? Do you not see how ridiculous your argument is?


Are you talking about a manifesto or a Programme for Govt?