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Is it still 1971 in Ireland? The contraceptive train still runs - Under another name.

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    #62
    Frank Lee Midere
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    I'll be staying out of this thread.


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    #63
    Earl Turner
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    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Both the man and woman should be able to prove that all avenues have been exhausted and abortion is the final step.

    Good post. And the father should definitely get some input.


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    #64
    ancapailldorcha
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    lazygal wrote: »
    What say, exactly, should the man have when a woman is pregnant?

    He should have the right to legally absolve himself of his (laughably inadequate) rights and responsibilities towards the child. If the mother wants to keep it then she does it herself, a paper abortion if you will. He wouldn't be liable for child support but he can't just change his mind afterwards either. A father should have a choice but equality wouldn't be pragmatic as a woman, rightfully has autonomy over whatever happens to her body.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #65
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    I can't believe it's that long since myself and my then boyfriend obtained condoms on prescription! We had to pretend to be engaged. It was still illegal, but the Family Planning Association allowed prescriptions for condoms if you were married or engaged.

    Ah well. They weren't that effective it turned out and I found myself having to go to the UK.



    What permanent changes happen his body?

    Is that the only factor that matters?


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    #66
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Abortion pills are only available when a miscarriage needs to be treated. Not because a woman no longer wants to be pregnant.


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    #67
    lazygal
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    Earl Turner wrote: »
    Good post. And the father should definitely get some input.

    What input, exactly? Do rapists get a say too?


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    #68
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    They should have been.

    Maybe the police are too busy with the real love/hate stuff that is going on in Dublin.

    Will you be heading into store st station tomorrow to report this crime?


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    #69
    mikeym
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    Im sitting on the fence with the abortion issue.


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    #70
    runawaybishop
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    lazygal wrote: »
    What input, exactly? Do rapists get a say too?

    Strawman.


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    #71
    Earl Turner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Earl Turner


    lazygal wrote: »
    What input, exactly? Do rapists get a say too?

    Well he should be entitled to an opinion if its his child.

    And no a rapist wouldn't get a say.


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    #72
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But it IS available.

    Emergency contraception is fine for a girl who has had unprotected sex, how about a rape victim?


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    #73
    P_1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What a farce. Emergency contraception is readily available in Ireland. http://www.ifpa.ie/node/72 What is not readily available is abortion. That is the Law, as voted by several times by the people.

    You'd be doing well to find someone who said law directly effects who had a chance to participate in one of said several votes mind


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    #74
    lazygal
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    Earl Turner wrote: »
    Well he should be entitled to an opinion if its his child.

    And no a rapist wouldn't get a say.

    So once again the circumstances of conception affect whether a woman can access abortion. Why?


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    #75
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    lazygal wrote: »
    Why isn't "I don't want to remain pregnant" reason enough?
    Pregnancy is crap. No woman or child should have to go through it because someone else wants them to against their wishes.

    Why isn't "I don't want my life destroyed knowing I could've been a father" enough reason.
    Having you life derailed is destroyed is pretty crap,No man should have to go through it because somebody else wants them to go against the wishes.

    Say it was your son who came home announcing they were going to be a father.The whole family dying for this opportunity to welcome a new life into the family. One Sunday afternoon a phone call "your child is being aborted and there's nothing you can do". Shattered lives.

    But I suppose,its only the father and their family sure who cares?


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    #76
    Earl Turner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Earl Turner


    lazygal wrote: »
    So once again the circumstances of conception affect whether a woman can access abortion. Why?

    Because if me and a woman decide to have a child and then she decides she wants to kill it why shouldn't I get a say?


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    #77
    Celly Smunt
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    JuliusCaesar wrote: »


    What permanent changes happen his body?

    Does permanent damage to mental health account for anything?


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    #78
    lazygal
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    Earl Turner wrote: »
    Because if me and a woman decide to have a child and then she decides she wants to kill it why shouldn't I get a say?

    Because you don't have to gestate and birth it. Pregnancy and birth have long term effects. Nine of which men will undergo.


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    #79
    Patser
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    Gongoozler wrote: »
    So the pills that these people got today were they prescription only pills?

    According to RTE.ie the Pills were ordered online, delivered to addresses in Northern Ireland and collected there today.

    On the OP there is a link that says RTE but is to the Independent in which Ruth Coppinger says she just took one of the tablets and 'I'm not dead yet'. Seems a little flippant to me.


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    #80
    lazygal
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    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    Why isn't "I don't want my life destroyed knowing I could've been a father" enough reason.
    Having you life derailed is destroyed is pretty crap,No man should have to go through it because somebody else wants them to go against the wishes.

    Say it was your son who came home announcing they were going to be a father.The whole family dying for this opportunity to welcome a new life into the family. One Sunday afternoon a phone call "your child is being aborted and there's nothing you can do". Shattered lives.

    But I suppose,its only the father and their family sure who cares?

    I would not want my son to force a woman to remain pregnant against her wishes.


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    #81
    runawaybishop
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    lazygal wrote: »
    Because you don't have to gestate and birth it. Pregnancy and birth have long term effects. Nine of which men will undergo.

    And having your child aborted has no long term effects for the guy is it? I guess since they have no choice they have no responsibilities if the woman has a child against their wishes then either.


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    #82
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Emergency contraception is fine for a girl who has had unprotected sex, how about a rape victim?

    What I feel should happen and what can, in Law happen are seriously at odds. I found this publicity stunt to be in very bad taste. Rape victims and women with unviable pregnancies are the sad victims of our legislation.


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    #83
    lazygal
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    And having your child aborted has no long term effects for the guy is it?

    So a woman should be forced to remain pregnant because a man might suffer ill effects?


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    #84
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    lazygal wrote: »
    So a woman should be forced to remain pregnant because a man might suffer ill effects?

    Role reverse that.


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    #85
    ancapailldorcha
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    lazygal wrote: »
    Because you don't have to gestate and birth it. Pregnancy and birth have long term effects. Nine of which men will undergo.

    A woman should have complete autonomy over her own body. What I object to is a man being forced to pay for a child he mightn't want or being having no say should she decide on the abortion. The latter I can accept but the former is absurd and unacceptable.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #86
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    lazygal wrote: »
    So a woman should be forced to remain pregnant because a man might suffer ill effects?

    But its grand if you swap the genders around?


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    #87
    lazygal
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    But its grand if you swap the genders around?

    Can a man gestate and birth a child? What effects do pregnancy and birth have on men?


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    #88
    Demonique
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    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Dougi mqquaid here, yeez can fuk off

    Who?


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    #89
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can a man gestate and birth a child? What effects do pregnancy and birth have on men?

    Strawman argument again. Or are you seriously arguing that abortion has no effect on men?


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    #90
    Earl Turner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Earl Turner


    lazygal wrote: »
    Can a man gestate and birth a child? What effects do pregnancy and birth have on men?

    Lol you make pregnancy sound like something out Aliens. It's hardly that bad if most women do it at some stage in their lives.


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    #91
    Demonique
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    Celly Smunt wrote: »
    And what about the choice of the father? Disregarded?

    Squirting a load doesn't equal nine months of pregnancy though


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