Is it still 1971 in Ireland? The contraceptive train still runs - Under another name.

Lapin

Up to 30 women and pro-choice TDs travelled the ‘abortion pill train’ and took the tablets to a rally in Dublin on their return.

Rita Harrold of ROSA (Reproductive rights, against Oppression, Sexism & Austerity) said thousands of women in Ireland are forced to make a difficult and expensive journey to abortion clinics in England.

“Yet, a safe, less costly option could be provided through medical abortion pills prescribed by our own GPs, as happens in many other countries,” she said.

More than 1,000 of the tablets have been seized in Ireland this year, mostly as they arrived into the country via mail order.

Medics say Ireland’s our anti- abortion laws are forcing women to order high-risk pills on the internet in a bid to end unwanted pregnancies.

Ms Coppinger, of the Socialist Party, said the political establishment are way behind ordinary people when it comes to abortion. “They continue to give Catholic beliefs centrality when a large majority now favour allowing abortion to protect women's health, both physical and mental,” she said.

“How can politicians justify maintaining a Constitutional Amendment now 31-years-old and on which no woman of child-bearing age had a say?

From RTÉ


Hard to belive that women have to resort to this form of protest in this day and age. In a echo to a time only 43 years ago when women travelled north to 'smuggle' condoms into the Republic because contraception was banned here, today they still have to do the same to obtain the abortion pill (widely available elsewhere) bacause our governments havent got the balls to deal with it.

Meanwhile these same successive governments have turned their backs on the hundreds of thousands of young women over the years while they travelled abroad for terminations. Abortion clinics are also 'widely available elsewhere' but thats ok for our government and catholic church.

During the contraception trains of the early 70s Ireland was seen as a laughing stock.

Today we're still a laughing stock, but its also a hell of a lot more serious now as women's lives are at stake. Today's protest on the 2nd anniversary of the death of Savita Halappanavar is a stark reminder of that.

Its time to stop exporting our problems by pretending they don't exist and start importing the pills.

FAIR PLAY TO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THAT TRAIN TODAY.

Generic Dreadhead

It is yes

The_Valeyard

Well that's not an agenda driven OP Post .

The One Doctor

We do have abortion pills freely available. They're called the morning after pill.

Apart from that, abortion is currently illegal in Ireland except under very specific circumstances. You can't just go into a clinic and ask to have a human's life stopped. That's the law, and that's why these pills are being seized, i.e, they're abortifacients.

I used to be pro abortion until I got older. However, I would vote yes on a referendum if the limit for abortions was set at 10-12 weeks.

Celly Smunt

The catholic vote has a heavy fist, its a bullet every single party has to dodge.

I would be pro-choice to a degree.Of course I believe in the right to abortion in the right circumstances though the last thing I'd want to see in Ireland is almost drive thru style clinics. If it is in the best interest for BOTH parties including the man to have the abortion then so be it, abortion affects men too and its something that will be swept over time and time again by the pro choice brigade.

Sunnyisland

It is quite embarrassing in this day and age that women still have to hide and go in secret to a another country in regards to contraception, unbelievable really.

Lapin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Well that's not an agenda driven OP Post .

Its an opinion on a discussion forum. Feel free to add your own sometime.

The One Doctor

realies wrote: »

It is quite embarrassing in this day and age that women still have to hide and go in secret to a another country in regards to contraception, unbelievable really.

Abortion is not contraception.

efb

The One Doctor wrote: »

We do have abortion pills freely available. They're called the morning after pill.

Apart from that, abortion is currently illegal in Ireland except under very specific circumstances. You can't just got into a clinic and ask to have a human's life stopped. That's the law, and that's why these pills are being seized, i.e, they're abortifacients.

I used to be pro abortion until I got older. However, I would vote yes on a referendum if the limit for abortions was set at 10-12 weeks.

My understanding of the MAP is that is prevents sperm implantation in the egg so no life is stopped, rather prevented from occurring http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception

efb

The One Doctor wrote: »

Abortion is not contraception.

Map is NOT abortion

The_Valeyard

Lapin wrote: »

Its an opinion on a discussion forum. Feel free to add your own sometime.

I believe I did.

If you want more. I believe these women are not doctors and handing out medicine without prescription could be very dangerous. Better ways to protest.

Sunnyisland

The One Doctor wrote: »

Abortion is not contraception.

It should be there choice and we shouldn't be exporting another one of our own problems, it should be dealt with here.

Celly Smunt

realies wrote: »

It should be there choice and we shouldn't be exporting another one of our own problems, it should be dealt with here.

And what about the choice of the father? Disregarded?

lazygal

Celly Smunt wrote: »

And what about the choice of the father? Disregarded?

What choice should a father have? Should he be able to restrain a women from going abroad to kill the unborn/murder a child/have an abortion?

Tail Docker

Was embarrassing to watch tbh. We need to move the fcuk on. It's like we insist on making parochial, backwards rules that are then slavishly followed. It should be an issue between a woman and herself, no one else. The church and the state ought to feck back to the '70's on their own and let people live as they decide for themselves. "Morals and safety" me hole, it's just control over people they want.

RobertKK

Reproductive rights, against Oppression, Sexism & Austerity

You need austerity in your title if you going to protest...

The One Doctor

Celly Smunt wrote: »

And what about the choice of the father? Disregarded?

The father is never going to have a say as to whether a fetus can be killed or not. It would be a retrograde step to allow a man to say if an abortion can happen or not, and I say that as a fully fledged man.

JuliusCaesar

The One Doctor wrote: »

I used to be pro abortion until I got older.

A bit of an extreme position.

I mean, I believe that women have the right to chose, which makes me pro-choice, as I think if they want to go through with their pregnancy (as most women do) they should do so. I wouldn't want to force anyone to have an abortion against their will.

Celly Smunt

lazygal wrote: »

What choice should a father have? Should he be able to restrain a women from going abroad to kill the unborn/murder a child/have an abortion?

Pretty much my dilemma,the father should have input into what happens to his child also.The decision isn't the woman's alone and therefore I believe mediation should be applied prior to abortion where the father is present.

Fathers rights are just as medieval here in Ireland as our abortion laws,its time to address both issues.

lazygal

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Pretty much my dilemma,the father should have input into what happens to his child also.The decision isn't the woman's alone and therefore I believe mediation should be applied prior to abortion where the father is present.

Fathers rights are just as medieval here in Ireland as our abortion laws,its time to address both issues.

How can a father have a say in whether a woman continues a pregnancy? A woman either stays pregnant or has an abortion.

I was really anti choice until I grew up a bit and realised women will always need and want abortion services and making them continue pregnancies they don't want to continue is barbaric.

Buona Fortuna

lazygal wrote: »

What choice should a father have? Should he be able to restrain a women from going abroad to kill the unborn/murder a child/have an abortion?

Yes, or the opposite should he be able to frce a termination because he doesn't feel like being a Dad?

One eyed Jack

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Pretty much my dilemma,the father should have input into what happens to his child also.The decision isn't the woman's alone and therefore I believe mediation should be applied prior to abortion where the father is present.

Fathers rights are just as medieval here in Ireland as our abortion laws,its time to address both issues.

You don't actually become a father until the child is born, in the very same way as a woman doesn't become a mother until she actually gives birth to a child.

Timberrrrrrrr

The One Doctor wrote: »

We do have abortion pills freely available. They're called the morning after pill.

Apart from that, abortion is currently illegal in Ireland except under very specific circumstances. You can't just go into a clinic and ask to have a human's life stopped. That's the law, and that's why these pills are being seized, i.e, they're abortifacients.

I used to be pro abortion until I got older. However, I would vote yes on a referendum if the limit for abortions was set at 10-12 weeks.

And if the woman seeking an abortion is a victim of rape?

Lapin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I believe I did.

If you want more. I believe these women are not doctors and handing out medicine without prescription could be very dangerous. Better ways to protest.

Who are they handing the pills out to?

They went to Belfast to obtain the pills for themselves and are campaigning for the right to themselves and others to have similar access to them south of the border.

A very dignified protest in my opinion.

everdead.ie

You can be pro choice or life or somewhere in the middle but anyone who takes a pill they ordered off the internet is most likely not ingesting what they think they are......

One thing about these protests though is that its not something the government can actually do anything about they have to have a referendum(and it'll be fecking blood on the streets stuff with the way both sides go on) I still doubt over 50% of the population will accept abortion except in cases of rape.

JuliusCaesar

The day that a male can have a parasite (fetus) grow inside his body, causing permanent change to his body, is the day he may make decisions for the woman and have the fetus transplanted into himself should he want it.

Most women do not have abortions lightly. It is not a decision that they generally take without giving it a lot of thought.

runawaybishop

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Yes, or the opposite should he be able to frce a termination because he doesn't feel like being a Dad?

Well, the woman has that right now. Equality and all.

RobertKK

Lapin wrote: »

Up to 30 women and pro-choice TDs travelled the ‘abortion pill train’ and took the tablets to a rally in Dublin on their return.

Rita Harrold of ROSA (Reproductive rights, against Oppression, Sexism & Austerity) said thousands of women in Ireland are forced to make a difficult and expensive journey to abortion clinics in England.

“Yet, a safe, less costly option could be provided through medical abortion pills prescribed by our own GPs, as happens in many other countries,” she said.

More than 1,000 of the tablets have been seized in Ireland this year, mostly as they arrived into the country via mail order.

Medics say Ireland’s our anti- abortion laws are forcing women to order high-risk pills on the internet in a bid to end unwanted pregnancies.

Ms Coppinger, of the Socialist Party, said the political establishment are way behind ordinary people when it comes to abortion. “They continue to give Catholic beliefs centrality when a large majority now favour allowing abortion to protect women's health, both physical and mental,” she said.

“How can politicians justify maintaining a Constitutional Amendment now 31-years-old and on which no woman of child-bearing age had a say?

From RTÉ


Hard to belive that women have to resort to this form of protest in this day and age. In a echo to a time only 43 years ago when women travelled north to 'smuggle' condoms into the Republic because contraception was banned here, today they still have to do the same to obtain the abortion pill (widely available elsewhere) bacause our governments havent got the balls to deal with it.

Meanwhile these same successive governments have turned their backs on the hundreds of thousands of young women over the years while they travelled abroad for terminations. Abortion clinics are also 'widely available elsewhere' but thats ok for our government and catholic church.

During the contraception trains of the early 70s Ireland was seen as a laughing stock.

Today we're still a laughing stock, but its also a hell of a lot more serious now as women's lives are at stake. Today's protest on the 2nd anniversary of the death of Savita Halappanavar is a stark reminder of that.

Its time to stop exporting our problems by pretending they don't exist and start importing the pills.

FAIR PLAY TO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THAT TRAIN TODAY.

The findings of the inquiries found the abortion laws had nothing to do with her death.

She is a woman who has been used, legislate for X was the chant back then, that legislation would have done nothing for her.

Dr Peter Boylan said women are putting their lives at risk by importing abortion pills.

Also it is interesting the company that made Zyklon B to gas Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, the disabled and others is the same company that came up with the abortion pill.
Interesting that trains were involved today.

lazygal

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And if the woman seeking an abortion is a victim of rape?

Why are the circumstances of conception relevant to whether a woman can have an abortion?

Patser

Everyday this week hundreds of Irish people will travel North of the border, buy objects illegal in the Republic and smuggle them across the border, home. Will Ruth Coppinger be there to support all these people Halloween Night when they let off these fireworks!

Similarly will she greet Stag Parties returning from Amsterdam, saying Irish Towns should now have Red Light districts and coffee shops?

Or do you think it's ok for a TD to break some laws, so long as you agree with them.

Fwiw I agree these pills should be allowed in Ireland but should be prescription only (or in consultation with a pharmacist) , they can be pretty hard hitting on those that take them, and IMO shouldn't be just something you get in the mail.

Timberrrrrrrr

RobertKK wrote: »

The findings of the inquiries found the abortion laws had nothing to do with her death.

She is a woman who has been used, legislate for X was the chant back then, that legislation would have done nothing for her.

Dr Peter Boylan said women are putting their lives at risk by importing abortion pills.

Also it is interesting the company that made Zyklon B to gas Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, the disabled and others is the same company that came up with the abortion pill.
Interesting that trains were involved today.

Very cryptic, care to elaborate?