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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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  • #692
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    At least the IRA took the claims seriously by making sure the person who committed the sexual assault was punished.
    “We were told he could be executed and buried or be brought to us and we could do him ourselves. The third option was that he would be ordered to leave the country."

    They definitely took child abuse more seriously anyone else in Irish society (including the government) took it at the time.


  • #693
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    it is relevant because you assert that abuse took place, as did a cover-up.

    a court of law did not find either to have occurred based on what Maria Cahill alleged.

    I thinks everyone agrees she was abused and she was questioned by the IRA , that is enough .

    Do you believe she was abused ?


  • #694
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    maccored wrote: »
    You tell me. Why is she so angry with Gerry Adams? ive been trying to figure that out.
    What have you been trying to figure out? - She is very clear about why she is angry with Adams in the Spotlight documentary. :confused:


  • #695
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    A Primal Nut wrote: »



    They definitely took child abuse more seriously anyone else in Irish society (including the government) took it at the time.

    Now there's a thought!


  • #696
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Concerns about politicization of the administration of justice in Northern Ireland have been often aired in the last decade. This is not surprising when you consider that just this year Martin McGuinness made a thinly veiled threat to the peace process following the arrest of Adams.

    If he did he wasn't the only one to do so. Theresa Villiers made similar noises at the time.


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  • #697
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    At least the IRA took the claims seriously by making sure the person who committed the sexual assault was punished.

    They definitely took child abuse more seriously anyone else in Irish society (including the government) took it at the time.
    Unfortunately the fact the IRA were quite draconian on sex abuse doesn't fit the narrative of them covering it up, so you won't be seeing your quote there reproduced by any of the smear campaigners.


  • #698
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hang on, so Adams was or wasn't in the IRA?

    Would you ever read the posts that you quote.


  • #699
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    marienbad wrote: »
    and she was questioned by the IRA ,

    Everyone?


  • #700
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Everyone?

    I think so yes .


  • #701
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,695 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Unfortunately the fact the IRA were quite draconian on sex abuse doesn't fit the narrative of them covering it up

    Not too draconian when it comes to one of their own IRA members being accused though it seems.


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  • #702
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    At least the IRA took the claims seriously by making sure the person who committed the sexual assault was punished.



    They definitely took child abuse more seriously anyone else in Irish society (including the government) took it at the time.

    In the case you quoted, the punishment was that he was moved to a different parish jurisdiction, free to abuse again.


  • #703
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    i never said i believe Gerry.
    You've made it clear that you don't believe Mairia. Are you trying to tell us they're both lying?

    so you believe Cahill because she has repeated the same accusation over and over?
    That's not what I said.
    even though a court of law has found no merit in her accusations?

    You're claiming she wasn't raped? Or just mudslinging in the time-honoured "I'm just asking" way?


  • #704
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    At least the IRA took the claims seriously by making sure the person who committed the sexual assault was punished.

    They definitely took child abuse more seriously anyone else in Irish society (including the government) took it at the time.

    Vigilantism is not something to be encouraged, but, again it needs to seen in context of the Troubles. Which some posters prefer to pretend never happened, or alternatively their analysis of the Troubles is informed and influenced by the likes of Eoghan Harris and similar.


  • #705
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    no ... not really. I watched it and I still didnt see the actual link. please, explain it to me as I obviously missed the vital evidence.
    Phoebas wrote: »
    What have you been trying to figure out? - She is very clear about why she is angry with Adams in the Spotlight documentary. :confused:


  • #706
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Would you ever read the posts that you quote.
    So you're saying Adams was in SF and the IRA?
    Phoebas wrote: »
    Maria never wanted the IRA involved in this - she didn't expect anything from them.
    So she didn't want anything to do with the IRA, but she called Gerry Adams, who was in the IRA, to her house?
    Stopped digging yet?


  • #707
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    maccored wrote: »
    no ... not really. I watched it and I still didnt see the actual link. please, explain it to me as I obviously missed the vital evidence.
    Here ye go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RldqBnTcmA4#t=2005


  • #708
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Not too draconian when it comes to one of their own IRA members being accused though it seems.

    Do you know how many of the Disappeared where IRA members? :rolleyes:


  • #709
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Vigilantism is not something to be encouraged, but, again it needs to seen in context of the Troubles. Which some posters prefer to pretend never happened, or alternatively their analysis of the Troubles is informed and influenced by the likes of Eoghan Harris and similar.

    This is all post the GFA Brendan Smyth ,Fortune et al , new deal new century new rules .


  • #710
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    As I say, I watched it. Besides saying adams is wrong when he said they didnt talk about her rape in their first meeting, instead it was referred to as a personal problem, and that he insinuated she enjoyed it. and that the ira held secret courts and no-one went to the RUC (which I presume is the 'coverup' bit). Adams, says they talked about 'personal problems' and he denies every suggesting she enjoyed the ordeal. what am I missing?
    Phoebas wrote: »
    Here ye go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RldqBnTcmA4#t=2005


  • #711
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So you're saying Adams was in SF and the IRA?
    Yeah - and he's still in Sinn Fein.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So she didn't want anything to do with the IRA, but she called Gerry Adams, who was in the IRA, to her house?
    Stopped digging yet?
    Adams was involved after the IRA had involved themselves against her will and after they threatened her. She had hoped that Adams would help.


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  • #712
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    maccored wrote: »
    As I say, I watched it. Besides saying adams is wrong when he said they didnt talk about her rape in their first meeting, instead it was referred to as a personal problem, and that he insinuated she enjoyed it. and that the ira held secret courts and no-one went to the RUC (which I presume is the 'coverup' bit). Adams, says they talked about 'personal problems' and he denies every suggesting she enjoyed the ordeal. what am I missing?

    I think there's a Monty Python sketch for this.


  • #713
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Yeah - and he's still in Sinn Fein.


    Adams was involved after the IRA had involved themselves against her will and after they threatened her. She had hoped that Adams would help.
    So, just to be clear. She didn't want the IRA involved so she called Gerry Adams who WASN'T in the IRA?


  • #714
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,695 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do you know how many of the Disappeared where IRA members? :rolleyes:

    Yep. Seems if you were a member and accused of being an informer you were disappeared into a bog following a Kangaroo court. If you were a member and accused as being a sexual abuser you were allowed escape to another jurisdiction.


  • #715
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    just an answer will do. what am I missing?
    Phoebas wrote: »
    I think there's a Monty Python sketch for this.


  • #716
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So, just to be clear. She didn't want the IRA involved so she called Gerry Adams who WASN'T in the IRA?

    I doubt I could clarify it sufficiently for you.


  • #717
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    maccored wrote: »
    just an answer will do. what am I missing?

    Objectivity.


  • #718
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Just another little anomaly in what she is saying that I can't work out..
    In subsequent interviews to the Spotlight programme she says that she knows Gerry Adams was in the IRA because Joe Cahill recruited him.

    But the IRA, Gerry Adams and SF are separate entities in her narrative of the events.
    I find that very odd...anyone else?


  • #719
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    maccored wrote: »
    just an answer will do. what am I missing?

    Listen, if you've watched the documentary, and listened to Maria explain in her own words why she was angry with Adams, and you're still missing something then I'm hardly going to be able to fill in your gaps.
    Maybe try watching it over again, but this time listen to her words.


  • #720
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,695 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    One thing that I haven't heard answered is this. Who attempted to bring an injunction against the Spotlight program? Who is attempting to silence journalists?


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  • #721
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Vigilantism is not something to be encouraged, but, again it needs to seen in context of the Troubles. Which some posters prefer to pretend never happened, or alternatively their analysis of the Troubles is informed and influenced by the likes of Eoghan Harris and similar.

    Indeed. Nationalists going to the RUC or availing of the 'justice' system in the north, at the time, would be akin to a Black person from deep south USA in the 1960's going to 'whitey' police.

    Obviously those who've had their opinions formed by reading 'journalist' opinion pieces in the post Section 31 era are clueless about the nuances of how society functions during a conflict.

    Utterly clueless.


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