Cork GAA Discussion Thread

ballbag05

Good win for the seaside club St Itas yday over 2012 junior East Cirk champs Carrignavar.And with their Cork star man Seamy Harnedy doing the business with 13 pts from CF with 5 from play, was relatively ok with the injury all thru, was down a few times after a few collisions but played the full 60. They look a serious side with some good youth blended all thru from their amalgamation with Killeagh at underage. Will be interesting to see will he tog for the barony side Imokilly tomorrow against UCC in 2nd rd of SHC. He's Corks best player currently by far

thinkstoomuch1

ballbag05 wrote: »

Good win for the seaside club St Itas yday over 2012 junior East Cirk champs Carrignavar.And with their Cork star man Seamy Harnedy doing the business with 13 pts from CF with 5 from play, was relatively ok with the injury all thru, was down a few times after a few collisions but played the full 60. They look a serious side with some good youth blended all thru from their amalgamation with Killeagh at underage. Will be interesting to see will he tog for the barony side Imokilly tomorrow against UCC in 2nd rd of SHC. He's Corks best player currently by far

Great to see he's fit and in good form
An invaluable assets to the team and huge huge loss can't be underestimate v waterford

Draw hurling tomorrow morning

I hope for Cork and never see day but I'll cheer tipp Kilkenny today as I certainly don't want be risk playing them in round one or two
Wexford limerick be tough but I'd rather them and the other two
Stephen Cronin injuries doubt for killarney as didn't play under twenty one nemo


Great young talent but in a way he doesn't play may be spared as with this management you just don't know what they will do could put Cronin on Donaghey for example which would destroy this young talent confidence

thinkstoomuch1

Good result in one way for Cork in it keeps kk out of the qualifier and no way kk who played at seventy per cent well within themselves and could got ten goals will loose to Galway who have had too good results but way way over rated

Wexford stuffing knocked out them a loss wouldn't be bad but fact they got twenty four points loss huge set back and I'm surprised as I expected more from Wexford to be honest

There's a back lash in Wexford in Wexford park however I from Cork view wouldn't fear them in cork
If cork get them at half eight in the morning they have to go for goals as Cork have full back issues but nothing like Wexford
Could be ten goals

Bad news from kk win on the other side is how far Cork are off kk and indeed other counties bar maybes clare
Kk ruthless execution goal in times off pace game showed goals crucial and Cork need wake up and be more goal scoring team in cork have forwards for goals but not the mind-set it's the soft point option when kk always in the d zone go for goals
You can but admire kk and cody
He making holden a full back and I had doubts he'd be one and made fogarty from corner back to midfielder
If cork had sullivan corner back and Walsh didn't improve Cork could do similar with mcdommell who make fine midfielder but JBM isn't ruthless at times as cody

Hopefully tipp beat limerick as tippeary fully fit forwards cause Cork full back line problems
It's not ideal to be hoping to avoid teams but such Cork full back problems it's best option in hopefully we get a win or two and get momentum but kk showed no chance Cork beat them if they met

zetecescort

I presume unless we get maybe Laois at home any other "home" draw would be played at a neutral venue with PUC out of use?

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

I presume unless we get maybe Laois at home any other "home" draw would be played at a neutral venue with PUC out of use?

Wexford we'd facilities in cork crowd wise I presume I'm not sure
Dublin I'd imagine be the same
Cork don't want easy game as no benefit either
Wexford at home or Dublin be ideal and if we can't beat them home no point going further

thinkstoomuch1

Good news for Cork tippeary won as we avoid them
That tippeary forward line would destroy Cork
Get a home draw tomorrow and avoid round two fully fit clare and I wouldn't fear limerick at all at all as like I always said tactically there bad and even though Cork are limerick direct style suit Cork, Galway I don't think are as good as they being made out to be so we need good draw but maybe get all Ireland semi final


But we won't beat kk or tipp as we have no full back.

youngbob

ballbag05 wrote: »

Good win for the seaside club St Itas yday over 2012 junior East Cirk champs Carrignavar.And with their Cork star man Seamy Harnedy doing the business with 13 pts from CF with 5 from play, was relatively ok with the injury all thru, was down a few times after a few collisions but played the full 60. They look a serious side with some good youth blended all thru from their amalgamation with Killeagh at underage. Will be interesting to see will he tog for the barony side Imokilly tomorrow against UCC in 2nd rd of SHC. He's Corks best player currently by far

Glad to hear Shamie is back. He has been Cork's best player ever since he was given the jersey. TTM says we won't beat Kk or Tipp without a FB...we wouldn't beat 4 or 5 other teams without Harnedy.After seeing 3 matches in the county this weekend, he is vital to any progress this year. A leader in a team that is lacking any killer instinct

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-cork-ladies-football-u21-final-2174348-Jun2015/

thinkstoomuch1

Wexford away
I said before draw wanted a test as I hate false dawns in sport but wanted home draw not away
Tough Cork fans now Saturday evening Wexford following football kerry next day
Think it's bad football unfortunately as many would not go kerry anyway but hard see it now after going Wexford night before


Good test if win means we back confidence wise a bit but Cork should win on paper with Harnedy and lorcan back but key is full back
If cork put mcdonnell on McDonald he'll be destroyed and Cork will loose
Cork have play sweeper as Wexford will


Cahalane has start full back v McDonald only option and Cork need sweeper with o shea starting and Harnedy and cadogan two man full forward line with Walsh cooper changing from midfield to half forward line

Horgan work ethic improved last club game but still got nothing from play so I'd drop him for one game and use him as a sub


Cork can make this hard going for point or if ruthless have forwards go for goals but worry is won't go goals
Tough draw but better getting westmeath at home where you learn nothing


Round two is tough as clare limerick or Dublin will all win and Cork two huge games coming up so win those and you win quater final against likely Galway your still standing you have good momentum for all Ireland semi but problem is staying afloat that long and three tough games take lot out any team now while possible Kilkenny lie await fresh as a daisy in all Ireland semi final or if cork did get that far hopefully play munster winners instead
Wexford are beatable and guiney huge loss to them but Cork have sort full back and tactics
If cork loose here I think JBM will walk away

Corcaigh Abu1

Cork v Wexford away in Wexford park. 4th of July.
Even though they have home advantage, we should have enough to win the game.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/sars-centre-back-will-be-in-wexford-colours-against-cork/
Cork best hope is if they beat Wexford to get limerick or Dublin as tough as they are in likely Thurles clare imo could do serious damage to Cork backs as despite clare problem two Kilkenny games and limerick proved they can score high scores

Cork can too and was good missing two key players v blanket still got high score v waterford but clare sweeper will be problem for Cork in even Wexford and limerick done one as it's tough not refined as clare

We then have to hope kk and tippeary win both final as kk be if at all only beaten once championship won't be beaten twice and be night mare in quater final and tippeary also


If cork managed to get that far all Ireland semi final be better play tippeary six week no games

Huge ask for Cork now but they have fair chance v Wexford and should win nothing fear v limerick in Thurles in its game be tough but have chance and the same with Dublin but I'd nearly rather limerick over cunningjham knows Cork inside out
If cork have meet Galway and Galway beaten by kk it's interesting to see have they resolve to bounce back
I think there's two maybe three teams in chance for the all Ireland but there's a huge gap then where the rest are all around the same level

Cork can't meet Waterford again so that's why I didn't mention them unless it's all Ireland final which is unlikely for either team



Good win for the rockies to win a close game by all accounts v the barrs in it is normally close games like this they loose and win this is better than win by ten points


I felt after the last game it was early to right them off but they under Murphy will continue to improve and I think they will be a tough test any team in championship


Looking at the sars result I see lot scores from frees or placed ball and that story last year so while poor Cork championship they beat poor teams like the town fact they struggle imo ist good team they meet They will be in trouble

I think that team is past its peak and need to start introduction young players as it's team needs change
Cork have tough away games now the next two weeks in hurling in Wexford, kerry away the day after the intermediate hurling and minor in gaelic-grounds
Only home game is munster junior football final

D'Agger

Wexford forced Clare to a replay and a very close game over the past few years of the qualifiers, one of those years Clare went on to win the AI - given Corks troubles against Waterford I'd genuinely be concerned, given Wexford have home advantage. You'd imagine Cork will make it through but it's far from a stroll in the park

thinkstoomuch1

D'Agger wrote: »

Wexford forced Clare to a replay and a very close game over the past few years of the qualifiers, one of those years Clare went on to win the AI - given Corks troubles against Waterford I'd genuinely be concerned, given Wexford have home advantage. You'd imagine Cork will make it through but it's far from a stroll in the park

Totally agree and some Cork arrogance in we will stroll up Wexford is just imo all wrong


I'm not playing yerra here but Wexford have always tested Cork away from Cork even in all Ireland intermediate final last year
You look at last year Wexford are in similar ground and won v clare but this year not as bad as v Kilkenny never had hope to win and I think once kk got goals even though Wexford done well up then come back it knocked Wexford as it's like they said even tipp can't win this ground it's all over


Against Dublin last year they expected win but lost and that was more set back but they refocused
They won't fear Cork as know Cork have problems with sweeper and full back and Cork don't go for goals so longer games go on its game on
If cork blitz them ist twenty minutes it's over but Wexford if it's close at half time the crowd and fact they make it war attrition not fluent open game hurling take Cork out comfort zone


Fact Cork even v blanket waterford scores lot shows Cork can score and Harnedy and lorcan back is huge but Cork have problems at full back and coughlan etc leaving and Murphy great he was Ryan called in late it looks panic Cork and certainly Wexford get good start Cork are tested

Huge huge pressure on Cork as they loose JBM think will go and few players Cork panel won't be there next year
Cork have to win
Wexford have hurling but a wet evening and strong wind with Wexford having it the ist half would mean this becomes physical game Cork don't always like and Wexford if they get lead it's going hard to turn it around


They causes Cork huge problem league and had lead in cork But then fell away
They caused huge problem for mcdonnell at full back two years ago so if he starts on McDonald Cork could really loose
It's a tough game and slightly I'd say Cork but this won't be easy and unless tactics are right and team picked right Cork could loose
Wexford hammering yesterday will benefit them in they will play double sweeper I'd guess and Cork will have problems in that system in tight ptich with huge huge home crowd knowing they have real chance here as no pressure on Wexford now as nobody gives them chance and all pressure on Cork and Cork do better as under dog as proved under JBM
If guiney comes back he'll be out prove point and with him and McDonald if they go route one they will cause Cork full back line huge problem


Also the point to remember is would Cork done better than Wexford yesterday
Cork full back line would be torn apart if waterford scores goals kk would have also and cody wants beat JBM one manager hadn't beaten so they would not eased up at all
Cork would lost heavily to Kilkenny and maybe not by as much but still so I think the gap with Cork Wexford is not as huge as some think it is



There's fear always any team manager out grow team in daly all success to degree had with Dublin
JBM has huge success in got more anyone got out this bunch but still if changed system could got more but worry is four years in with same problems full back no change in system you would worry do players buy in to the system
Not they don't belive in JBM imo huge fans him but surely they must question the system they play when tippeary Kilkenny waterford have all changed

D'Agger

Just after seeing that Wexford are 3/1 which I think is an overreaction to taking a big loss to Kilkenny, was at the Limerick match yesterday and they were beaten well by Tipp, yet I wouldn't give Limerick 3/1 if they were playing Cork in the morning.

Like I said, Cork should come through, but 3/1 is very inviting imo

thinkstoomuch1

D'Agger wrote: »

Just after seeing that Wexford are 3/1 which I think is an overreaction to taking a big loss to Kilkenny, was at the Limerick match yesterday and they were beaten well by Tipp, yet I wouldn't give Limerick 3/1 if they were playing Cork in the morning.

Like I said, Cork should come through, but 3/1 is very inviting imo

I'd be happy if I was Wexford no body expects
Cork have to deliver
Cork get real test and win by few could get us back up running but then you see every postive with Cork is erases by we no full back


The story of top teams imo top three Ireland are kk tipperary's and fully fit clare and they have all got goals at full forward so Cork meet these teams serious problems occur
Cork if play Clare Murphy will be up against kelly but who marks honan or cunningjham or conlon etc if cork beat Wexford
An absolutely awful way to enter a season with no full back yet we seen v waterford Kilkenny and tippeary and clare unlucky v limerick how poor defending costs you games
Dennehy simply has be called up but won't be
Gave one best full back performance in an age last week for a Cork team

DuffleBag

Whatever about last year, I've seen Wexford play a few times this year and from what i've seen they haven't progressed enough to suggest that they'll beat us, and thats reflected on their odds of 3/1.

You could argue that we havent progressed either and thats obious but we should still have enough to beat them if we can score what we did against a packed waterford defence, minus Harnedy. We all know the cliché that anything can happen on the day, but i just cant see it. I hope i'm not wrong

munsterlegend

DuffleBag wrote: »

Whatever about last year, I've seen Wexford play a few times this year and from what i've seen they haven't progressed enough to suggest that they'll beat us, and thats reflected on their odds of 3/1.

You could argue that we havent progressed either and thats obious but we should still have enough to beat them if we can score what we did against a packed waterford defence, minus Harnedy. We all know the cliché that anything can happen on the day, but i just cant see it. I hope i'm not wrong

Very hard to see us being beaten but Wexford park is a tough place for us to go and its do or die so wexford will give it everything. also we don't score goals to kill off opposition. kilkenny pulled away having demoralised wexford with goals.

youngbob

munsterlegend wrote: »

Very hard to see us being beaten but Wexford park is a tough place for us to go and its do or die so wexford will give it everything. also we don't score goals to kill off opposition. kilkenny pulled away having demoralised wexford with goals.

Cork scored 1 goal in 140mins against Waterford & that was from a penalty so Wex won't fear us too much. they will respect us but we must respect them. Of course you'll get the fella who will look at yesterdays match & dismiss them but Cork don't do the tackling & hounding that seems second nature to all Kk players(newcomers or AI winners). Cody wouldn't have it any other way. Hoggie wouldn't get away with his antics in that Kk forward line. Unlike TTM he won't be dropped at this stage, that should have happened earlier in the year. I expect to hear the usual s**t about Paudi too as the game draws nearer. He had a chance to stake a claim for a start last weekend and was anonymous. His best years are behind him & IMO if we were going on form he's lucky to be on the panel

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

Cork scored 1 goal in 140mins against Waterford & that was from a penalty so Wex won't fear us too much. they will respect us but we must respect them. Of course you'll get the fella who will look at yesterdays match & dismiss them but Cork don't do the tackling & hounding that seems second nature to all Kk players(newcomers or AI winners). Cody wouldn't have it any other way. Hoggie wouldn't get away with his antics in that Kk forward line. Unlike TTM he won't be dropped at this stage, that should have happened earlier in the year. I expect to hear the usual s**t about Paudi too as the game draws nearer. He had a chance to stake a claim for a start last weekend and was anonymous. His best years are behind him & IMO if we were going on form he's lucky to be on the panel

Bang on the money
This will be close and hard fought
Wexford won't loose much confidence in be fair most teams Ireland would be hammered by kk if we're honest and knowlan park always huge ask

Any drop rain and wind in tight ptich where every hit Wexford make will be hard and the crowd will hear and roar on the team have no doubt Cork lads going to a fortress in some Cork lads a lot never played outside comfort zone munster in tight ptich big championship game
This is a tough tough game and Wexford will see Cork as beatable and that attuide will give them huge benefit as I truly don't think they actually believed could beat kk as once second goal went in they gave up
Cork have problems themselves so it makes this game closer people think

ShamoBuc

Glad we got Wexford. Cork will have to up their game to beat them, they are certainly a potential banana skin. With the 2 big players back and the fact it is now knock out, I think we will beat them. Pity it is on the day before Killarney but I reckon it will be a very good crowd for the hurlers and a poor enough one for the footballers. A lot of the friends love going to Killarney, but they too believe we will get beat well and are going to the hurling instead.
Looking forward to a tough game but a win for the hurlers not looking forward to the Kerry result at all. Hoping my fears will not be realised but I simply cannot see us getting near them at the of 70 mins.

zetecescort

7pm is nothing short of a disgrace considering our footballers are away the following day but given they way they treated the Laois fans last week its no surprise

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

7pm is nothing short of a disgrace considering our footballers are away the following day but given they way they treated the Laois fans last week its no surprise

It's bit late alright and early start football the next day
I wonder will it affect the football support hugely
People may choose killarney as it's closer

The growler

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/sars-centre-back-will-be-in-wexford-colours-against-cork/
Cork best hope is if they beat Wexford to get limerick or Dublin as tough as they are in likely Thurles clare imo could do serious damage to Cork backs as despite clare problem two Kilkenny games and limerick proved they can score high scores

If Cork beat Wexford and if, as expected, Dublin, Clare and Limerick all win then Cork can't face Dublin in the next round as Limerick have already played Clare. That means ye can only play Limerick or Clare if results work out as I suggest.

sean mac

Best possible draw for cork, as fellas will have to stand up and fight. Cork with harnedy back are a much better team, an extra few weeks for brian murphy also. Wexford have failed miserably to move on from last year which was only a small step forward anyway. Dunne will have them firey in front of their own crowd but cork to win by 3-5 points and be well prepared for the next game.
I can guarantee the smallest ever cork crowd in killareny the following day for what will end up being an unmerciful hammering from Kerry.

Pos087

sean mac wrote: »

Best possible draw for cork, as fellas will have to stand up and fight. Cork with harnedy back are a much better team, an extra few weeks for brian murphy also. Wexford have failed miserably to move on from last year which was only a small step forward anyway. Dunne will have them firey in front of their own crowd but cork to win by 3-5 points and be well prepared for the next game.
I can guarantee the smallest ever cork crowd in killareny the following day for what will end up being an unmerciful hammering from Kerry.

The thought of a small crowd in Killarney really bugs me. we pride our selfs on being a dual county but this only arms to be the case if we are winning. We don't know how lucky we are to have big days out during the summer. I for one am a cork supporter and will be travelling to Killarney and win lose or draw the cork flag won't be hidden to far for use the next day up the rebels. Cork to win by 2

sean mac

Pos087 wrote: »

The thought of a small crowd in Killarney really bugs me. we pride our selfs on being a dual county but this only arms to be the case if we are winning. We don't know how lucky we are to have big days out during the summer. I for one am a cork supporter and will be travelling to Killarney and win lose or draw the cork flag won't be hidden to far for use the next day up the rebels. Cork to win by 2

No we don't, and no we are not. We have fantastic clubs who are dual clubs and fantastic divisions that are committed to this also. But at senior inter county level we patently have no pride in being a dual county, if we did we wouldn't be in the state we are, in, in hurling other munster counties feeling sorry for us because of our pathetic under age teams and in football clearly a team with talent with an inadequate manager and management team in charge, put in charge by our own county board. I would slightly prefer football but will not be going to watch a talented team be so badly managed as to be slaughtered by Kerry in killareny, followed by a further humiliation against Dublin. The only cork football team that might win by 2 is the juniors.
Your second line is like something we would here from one of the executive from behind the green velvet laden table at a ccb meeting - how lucky are we?? to witness badly prepared teams getting beaten out the gate by rivals and neighbours that know what is required to win at this level, cork a gaa county that is unrivalled in mediocrity. As things stand at the moment, the footballers are the ones that owe the cork public some loyalty and actually stand up and fight in a big game.

thinkstoomuch1

Pos087 wrote: »

The thought of a small crowd in Killarney really bugs me. we pride our selfs on being a dual county but this only arms to be the case if we are winning. We don't know how lucky we are to have big days out during the summer. I for one am a cork supporter and will be travelling to Killarney and win lose or draw the cork flag won't be hidden to far for use the next day up the rebels. Cork to win by 2

Seriously i admire your enthusiasm but look I'm glad you support football kerry and I'll be there too but this utter nonsense sorry now we're lucky

How are Cork lucky
What we do this waving flag yippe hurrah nonsense we field gaa teams and Cork happy that
Cork gaa well what I grew up with had a legacy hurling winning and football lower grades
Christ above we haven't minor since nearly sixteen years and senior is absolutely shambles from what we should be we have no senior ten years and minor in fourteen years and under twenty one hurling in nearly seventeenth and ccb more interest in stadium and twitter followers imo than what actually counts on the field of play


Cork gaa has a cultural attuide where mediocrity is acceptable and never minimum standard and you say we're lucky as we field teams in big days
What have we won recently

This is like Ireland soccer fans singing in Europe championship being hammered by Spain but hey the good old sing song made headlines


Just my opinion but this flag waving nonsense in were Cork well turn up we could do it is just utter utter unrealistic imo
I will support football and hope they get huge crowd but not for sake oh I'm glad we're fielding a team it's more I realise huge potential this team but realise their poorly managed and when beaten people will blame the players etc when they deserve support as it's not lack talent
Cork football I hope get big crowd but it's reasonable understand why fans won't go at the same time if don't belive in set up in its lot money now support teams to be fair


Cork are not at all lucky in the current state of the game and it's and awful reflection on Cork gaa that realistic wise only possible two teams left may have chance win all Ireland
Big days in killarney are absolutley nothing if we can't compete

We need kerry have huge off day to win
I don't think it's realise the extent of our defence problem in were conceding an awful lot
Limerick hurling conceded nine goals last five championship games and defence was never solved
Tippeary ruthlessly exposed it yesterday with four goals
The point is if ordinary fans can see team has defence problem then in time of video assessment and stats of course top teams know the weak points of teams
Kerry no Cork defence is poor
Clare knew it and took it apart at will but couldn't score
Kerry won't have that problem
Their problem is picking six forwards in they have so many options

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Best possible draw for cork, as fellas will have to stand up and fight. Cork with harnedy back are a much better team, an extra few weeks for brian murphy also. Wexford have failed miserably to move on from last year which was only a small step forward anyway. Dunne will have them firey in front of their own crowd but cork to win by 3-5 points and be well prepared for the next game.
I can guarantee the smallest ever cork crowd in killareny the following day for what will end up being an unmerciful hammering from Kerry.

Did you read the article in the Echo Saturday by daly on Cork football
A very realistic read and lot truth in it

thinkstoomuch1

Jack o Connor confirmed on the score kerry under twenty one manager
That worst kept secret football as everyone knew he had the job

I'm surprised announced while minors still involved


You can guarantee kerry will win all Ireland if not next year I'm year two
Cork are lucky Hayes and brilliant gene Driscoll are staying on but kerry have management with talent so they will beat Cork one year but Cork will be competitive under Hayes etc


Huge huge opportunity for Cork at minor if they get management correct in jack loss minor kerry and next year Cork have kerry at your if they meet

In hurling Kilkenny won minor last year's in leinster final and school doing brilliant and under twenty one team beat carlow Wednesday so Kilkenny hurling with young senior team being rebuild again under cody out greatest rival is going to stay at the top


In football our great rival kerry are thriving at school and won minor and will be there or there about this year junior team playing few minor and under the one win all Ireland soon and senior is getting stronger so kerry and Kilkenny whole strong their future looks very much brighter than Cork as both neglected their under age for a while but they have now rectified it and won't neglected it again

Kerry are building a superb centre of excellence so kerry are going to be around for a long long while
We may not like kerry and kk in gaa but I can only admire their attuide and innovation to their future

CORKDOUBLE

I don't like this attitude we have in Cork ..with respect O Connor takes over in Kerry and we are beaten already ...