Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Horse84

DuffleBag wrote: »

Just out of interest, why did you feel the need to include the highlighted part?

Cause I didn't know at the time he'd be play a part last night and it was relevant in the context of what I was saying. Good enough for u??

DuffleBag

Horse84 wrote: »

Cause I didn't know at the time he'd be play a part last night and it was relevant in the context of what I was saying. Good enough for u??

Good enough for me? You dont need to seek my approval. Like i said, i was i just wondering out of sheer interest.

Horse84

DuffleBag wrote: »

Good enough for me? You dont need to seek my approval. Like i said, i was i just wondering out of sheer interest.

You're sure now? I mean in future I can run my post by you beforehand and you can give it the once over.

D'Agger

Horse84 wrote: »

Cause I didn't know at the time he'd be play a part last night and it was relevant in the context of what I was saying. Good enough for u??

Horse84 wrote: »

You're sure now? I mean in future I can run my post by you beforehand and you can give it the once over.

If you could fit in sensitivity training into that you'd be flying ked *thumbs up

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/colman-corrigan-tomas-o-se-blast-perfect-motivation-for-rebels-337666.html

As I predict yesterday I said the usual suspects would critsed masters o se
Not that I had inside knowledge but just Cork gaa so so so predicable

Great great full back he was cruelly robbed by injury but he's wrong imo here


Reminds me landers last year saying Cusack made good points but timing was wrong
Maybe now landers realised current state Cork hurling not time to waste in saying what's wrong


You see i say this over and over again
Biggest problem Cork gaa is attributes of poor attuide in culture in any one critsed the wrong in cork is critsed and it's this dare not critsed or questions motto that has ruined Cork gaa

Cottigsn says timing is wrong
But when so do you question this set up
Do you wait till after another awful season but then like landers said he doesn't want people questions Cork hurling soon after tipp game


So do Cork football keep quiet then ccb rush through another term

To be fair people questions this management well justified based on records and lack of records management team bar kerry man who outstanding
We had big time collapses now as regular events
They have nothing done improve players of team say give them time

Again the usual line there putting in huge work it's wrong critsed
Nobody can doubt their commitment or passion for the game it's excellent and none sexton etc as players owe Cork football anything
There legends
But management skills set for inter county team is the concern


Cork gaa needs to wake up and realise you can judge two different skills sets with being against person
Example Steve Staunton greatest Irish servant ever and among great club Irish players man match German world cup out position centre back
Unbelievable player

As a manager absolutely woeful
Now I'm a Staunton fan but I rate him hugely as players but not as a manager
All I'm doing judging he's skill set different to the role required


Corrugated accepts Cork public have concerns over management but believes no point making them public

Is he actually serious
Kilkenny and kerry have no problem doing as such
The only way Cork gaa can ever change by having honesty within and o se and masters done Cork huge favour

You see this won't spur the players on as corrigsn tries to deflect imo it's about the players in they are playing bad but can be better
Imo he's wrong
But you would hope now the blame has been pointed at management that they who never question before will be forced under the spotlight and stop making woeful team selection playing lads out position etc and actually devise plan a and b and they could learn from this critsim and become better management if they learned from their mistakes

Have no doubt the Cork ccb meeting the same old fellas will say masters etc was wrong and wait for it imo probably two more ex pundits players going to critsed them also
No prizes for guessing who they will be

O se will be accused of having an agenda as he's kerry man and masters also backing he's club man when all their doing to be fair is saying what many Cork fans felt for a while now
Masters never get a Cork job now



It should not be forgotten also ephie nemo man said after game Cork only beat clare in scores in all statics showed clare done well missing a load lads so nemo boys think know too well how bad Cork Were Sunday

commonsense.

Horse84 wrote: »

Yea was thinking the same thing. It goes back to what we've been saying and that is the system we have of producing senior inter county players is absolutely not fit for purpose. The mindset here is that underage doesn't have to be successful and you'll hear this old cliché of "oh well you'd only be looking for 1 or maybe 2 young fellas a year to come out of these teams and be a successful senior". I don't buy into that at all, you should be demanding if not expecting most of these players to be pushing for places on the senior team. That's just not promoted in cork.
Watch the way Kilkenny from minor through to u21 play to the very same style as the senior team so when they do come through they're comfortable playing in a system and its not taking them 2 or 3 years to find their feet and make make an immediate impact. Clare have done that and now Waterford have taken it to another level again. You saw McGrath there but there were other senior players in the crowd, yes supporting but I assure u a lot of em are watching their backs and seeing who they're competing for their place on the team with. That philosophy simply does not exist here.
I'd say watching that on TV there if u didn't know it was on in cork and seeing all those Waterford senior management and players then you'd think it was played below in Walsh park.
Anyone that was in pairc ui rinn for the corresponding minor fixture in 2013 (I went to that match with a Waterford player who starred last night) will remember that cork actually pushed them all the way that day all be it with some dodgy decisions from the ref and a stronger panel arguably but the fall off has been significant if not alarming.

While some of the same players from minor 2013 were involved last night you are not strictly accurate. The 2013 minors will be next year's U21s if you know what I mean. Next years u21s should be more competitive I'd say.
But I absolutely agree with your main point that our system is simply not churning out players fit for purpose.

Horse84

commonsense. wrote: »

While some of the same players from minor 2013 were involved last night you are not strictly accurate. The 2013 minors will be next year's U21s if you know what I mean. Next years u21s should be more competitive I'd say.
But I absolutely agree with your main point that our system is simply not churning out players fit for purpose.

Yea completely true there. Fair point made.

DuffleBag

Its a really bad sign of affairs when we have other counties feeling sorry for us. A kk man in the u21 thread, tipp and waterford posters.

We can all identify the problems and blame this and that but we just have nobody to implement change or find solutions.

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

While some of the same players from minor 2013 were involved last night you are not strictly accurate. The 2013 minors will be next year's U21s if you know what I mean. Next years u21s should be more competitive I'd say.
But I absolutely agree with your main point that our system is simply not churning out players fit for purpose.

Well only know in November if cork be competitive next year in if Callaghan commits to the panel and when the draw is done
Way it is is waterford is away next
Tippeary and clare be both at home and limerick the same
So you really want a home draw and hopefully cahalane Callaghan be involved Hayes Keniry etc
Cahalane health must always come first though

thinkstoomuch1

DuffleBag wrote: »

Its a really bad sign of affairs when we have other counties feeling sorry for us. A kk man in the u21 thread, tipp and waterford posters.

We can all identify the problems and blame this and that but we just have nobody to implement change or find solutions.

As seen by the reaction to the football critsim and wait for the ccb Tuesday night to say it's wrong that is clear sign that things won't change in cork football or hurling


Minors are beaten the last few weeks in football the appointment next minor management should be interesting
Don't be shocked if the same team get a new term based on the kerry game when jack is gone from kerry this year Cork with the right coaching could really do well in the next two years
Again present management great passionate gaa men but innovative modern coaching they proved there not in the last two years
All development squads means nothing if you have not good minor coaching

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/colman-corrigan-tomas-o-se-blast-perfect-motivation-for-rebels-337666.html

As I predict yesterday I said the usual suspects would critsed masters o se
Not that I had inside knowledge but just Cork gaa so so so predicable

Great great full back he was cruelly robbed by injury but he's wrong imo here


Reminds me landers last year saying Cusack made good points but timing was wrong
Maybe now landers realised current state Cork hurling not time to waste in saying what's wrong


You see i say this over and over again
Biggest problem Cork gaa is attributes of poor attuide in culture in any one critsed the wrong in cork is critsed and it's this dare not critsed or questions motto that has ruined Cork gaa

Cottigsn says timing is wrong
But when so do you question this set up
Do you wait till after another awful season but then like landers said he doesn't want people questions Cork hurling soon after tipp game


So do Cork football keep quiet then ccb rush through another term

To be fair people questions this management well justified based on records and lack of records management team bar kerry man who outstanding
We had big time collapses now as regular events
They have nothing done improve players of team say give them time

Again the usual line there putting in huge work it's wrong critsed
Nobody can doubt their commitment or passion for the game it's excellent and none sexton etc as players owe Cork football anything
There legends
But management skills set for inter county team is the concern


Cork gaa needs to wake up and realise you can judge two different skills sets with being against person
Example Steve Staunton greatest Irish servant ever and among great club Irish players man match German world cup out position centre back
Unbelievable player

As a manager absolutely woeful
Now I'm a Staunton fan but I rate him hugely as players but not as a manager
All I'm doing judging he's skill set different to the role required


Corrugated accepts Cork public have concerns over management but believes no point making them public

Is he actually serious
Kilkenny and kerry have no problem doing as such
The only way Cork gaa can ever change by having honesty within and o se and masters done Cork huge favour

You see this won't spur the players on as corrigsn tries to deflect imo it's about the players in they are playing bad but can be better
Imo he's wrong
But you would hope now the blame has been pointed at management that they who never question before will be forced under the spotlight and stop making woeful team selection playing lads out position etc and actually devise plan a and b and they could learn from this critsim and become better management if they learned from their mistakes

Have no doubt the Cork ccb meeting the same old fellas will say masters etc was wrong and wait for it imo probably two more ex pundits players going to critsed them also
No prizes for guessing who they will be

O se will be accused of having an agenda as he's kerry man and masters also backing he's club man when all their doing to be fair is saying what many Cork fans felt for a while now
Masters never get a Cork job now



It should not be forgotten also ephie nemo man said after game Cork only beat clare in scores in all statics showed clare done well missing a load lads so nemo boys think know too well how bad Cork Were Sunday

Corrigan is correct the timing was wrong from a Kerry point of view. If O'Se said it prior to Cork playing Dublin for example it would be fine but Corrigan is speaking from the perspective that it will only give more motivation to Cork against Kerry in 3 weeks time.

As for the public thinking it he is right that they do think the same as O'Se but he is also right that airing those questions, critisicms and complaints 3 weeks before playing Kerry in Killarney is not the right time as it takes the focus off the game and the team needs to be focused on that alone if they are to be competitive

As for the bit in bold someone should ask Ephie what statistics are important as the 12 points between the sides and comfortable finish to the game would suggest that he should reconsider the emphasis he is putting on statistics

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

O leary was outstanding also as was Hickey

Who is O'Leary i didnt get a programme? Hickey did well alright but some of Muskerry's selections in the backs were baffling really

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/rebels-need-radical-change-across-the-board/
Good read but in fairness to him he's said this from two years ago but nothing is done
He's right
I don't agree with all he's football articles etc at times but he's bang on with what hurling etc needs
No doubt Cormac who asked play senior Callaghan cahalane horgan would gave Cork strength in the middle third and Murphy huge loss but Waterford still likely to win
Cork are chasing the pack from years of neglect and football is actually in better under age state due to under twenty one but need push in at senior while the sun shines as if jack which he's shoe in manager takes kerry Cork won't dominated that grade munster as before

Dennehy was not flashy wrist hurler and just Cork need at full back in two things imo stood out with him
He actually showed cynical edge needed full back stop goals going in and was able to give shoulder when required but not once did he leave the full-back line unattended and only one goal chance when he there


Is he the man for senior
Honestly we won't know til he's tried
What we do know is better long term solution than Murphy McDonald or o Neill


He's twenty now or so and consider rock played championship nineteenth v limerick corner back this lad with successful college and club and intermediate winning year Cork behind him to be fair he's ticked every box he's been asked to to just get a chance
If it doesn't work fair enough but the lads couldn't be faulted last night and deserves chance and while not wrist hurler he's plenty hurling such he played centre back with club

He's improvement came from excellent coaching at cit under pat mul and Cork under Hayes and at club with their excellent limerick coach

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

Corrigan is correct the timing was wrong from a Kerry point of view. If O'Se said it prior to Cork playing Dublin for example it would be fine but Corrigan is speaking from the perspective that it will only give more motivation to Cork against Kerry in 3 weeks time.

As for the public thinking it he is right that they do think the same as O'Se but he is also right that airing those questions, critisicms and complaints 3 weeks before playing Kerry in Killarney is not the right time as it takes the focus off the game and the team needs to be focused on that alone if they are to be competitive

As for the bit in bold someone should ask Ephie what statistics are important as the 12 points between the sides and comfortable finish to the game would suggest that he should reconsider the emphasis he is putting on statistics

I know you were never fan ephie and fair enough your opinion but ephie never chance missing five key forwards and christy o Connor said it clare had chance fully fit team but like I said last Thursday Cork would win individual brilliant and o Driscoll donnacha Collins etc they did but clare played as a team and sadly Cork didn't

There's never a right time to critsed
Critical now same critics before Dublin
If cork loose and are out of the championship people say ah look let the dust settle no need for post mortem yet new term just like couninhan got with emergency ccb meeting could happen and look Cork fooling no one bar themselves and it's possible masters said look i critsed after league but look I'll wait til clare and see but clare game really showed problem Cork have and said it then

Yes this should been said in the league but then people would say ah wait til championship
Point is simply when people don't like what said there's never a right time to say it as it's not about timing it more so they just don't want to hear it at all in the ist place

Hurleratheart

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Well only know in November if cork be competitive next year in if Callaghan commits to the panel and when the draw is done
Way it is is waterford is away next
Tippeary and clare be both at home and limerick the same
So you really want a home draw and hopefully cahalane Callaghan be involved Hayes Keniry etc
Cahalane health must always come first though

Cahalane sadly is out for forseeable future so cork must move on withouthim

i hope pa chnages mind for next year to play with his own team on the age and maybe persuded back for seniors

we are cause of our own destruction

DuffleBag

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Good read but in fairness to him he's said this from two years ago but nothing is done
He's right
I don't agree with all he's football articles etc at times but he's bang on with what hurling etc needs
No doubt Cormac who asked play senior Callaghan cahalane horgan would gave Cork strength in the middle third and Murphy huge loss but Waterford still likely to win
Cork are chasing the pack from years of neglect and football is actually in better under age state due to under twenty one but need push in at senior while the sun shines as if jack which he's shoe in manager takes kerry Cork won't dominated that grade munster as before

Dennehy was not flashy wrist hurler and just Cork need at full back in two things imo stood out with him
He actually showed cynical edge needed full back stop goals going in and was able to give shoulder when required but not once did he leave the full-back line unattended and only one goal chance when he there


Is he the man for senior
Honestly we won't know til he's tried
What we do know is better long term solution than Murphy McDonald or o Neill


He's twenty now or so and consider rock played championship nineteenth v limerick corner back this lad with successful college and club and intermediate winning year Cork behind him to be fair he's ticked every box he's been asked to to just get a chance
If it doesn't work fair enough but the lads couldn't be faulted last night and deserves chance and while not wrist hurler he's plenty hurling such he played centre back with club

He's improvement came from excellent coaching at cit under pat mul and Cork under Hayes and at club with their excellent limerick coach

Agreed re: Dennehy. Definitely worth a shot. And he wasnt even due to play fullback last night only for injury.

clerk

I was at the U21 hurling game last night, unfortunately for Cork it was like men against boys.

solwhit12

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/colman-corrigan-tomas-o-se-blast-perfect-motivation-for-rebels-337666.html

As I predict yesterday I said the usual suspects would critsed masters o se
Not that I had inside knowledge but just Cork gaa so so so predicable

Great great full back he was cruelly robbed by injury but he's wrong imo here


Reminds me landers last year saying Cusack made good points but timing was wrong
Maybe now landers realised current state Cork hurling not time to waste in saying what's wrong


You see i say this over and over again
Biggest problem Cork gaa is attributes of poor attuide in culture in any one critsed the wrong in cork is critsed and it's this dare not critsed or questions motto that has ruined Cork gaa

Cottigsn says timing is wrong
But when so do you question this set up
Do you wait till after another awful season but then like landers said he doesn't want people questions Cork hurling soon after tipp game


So do Cork football keep quiet then ccb rush through another term

To be fair people questions this management well justified based on records and lack of records management team bar kerry man who outstanding
We had big time collapses now as regular events
They have nothing done improve players of team say give them time

Again the usual line there putting in huge work it's wrong critsed
Nobody can doubt their commitment or passion for the game it's excellent and none sexton etc as players owe Cork football anything
There legends
But management skills set for inter county team is the concern


Cork gaa needs to wake up and realise you can judge two different skills sets with being against person
Example Steve Staunton greatest Irish servant ever and among great club Irish players man match German world cup out position centre back
Unbelievable player

As a manager absolutely woeful
Now I'm a Staunton fan but I rate him hugely as players but not as a manager
All I'm doing judging he's skill set different to the role required


Corrugated accepts Cork public have concerns over management but believes no point making them public

Is he actually serious
Kilkenny and kerry have no problem doing as such
The only way Cork gaa can ever change by having honesty within and o se and masters done Cork huge favour

You see this won't spur the players on as corrigsn tries to deflect imo it's about the players in they are playing bad but can be better
Imo he's wrong
But you would hope now the blame has been pointed at management that they who never question before will be forced under the spotlight and stop making woeful team selection playing lads out position etc and actually devise plan a and b and they could learn from this critsim and become better management if they learned from their mistakes

Have no doubt the Cork ccb meeting the same old fellas will say masters etc was wrong and wait for it imo probably two more ex pundits players going to critsed them also
No prizes for guessing who they will be

O se will be accused of having an agenda as he's kerry man and masters also backing he's club man when all their doing to be fair is saying what many Cork fans felt for a while now
Masters never get a Cork job now



It should not be forgotten also ephie nemo man said after game Cork only beat clare in scores in all statics showed clare done well missing a load lads so nemo boys think know too well how bad Cork Were Sunday

They win by 12 points and your still giving out about Cuthbert you are well entitled to say what you want but at least be fair .you were very quiet when your man ger Cunningham was embarrassed as bad as Cuthbert and there is nothing about that.you cry injuries for the hurlers yet the simple fact we are not good enough .but you will continue to blame managers you don't like.

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I know you were never fan ephie and fair enough your opinion but ephie never chance missing five key forwards and christy o Connor said it clare had chance fully fit team but like I said last Thursday Cork would win individual brilliant and o Driscoll donnacha Collins etc they did but clare played as a team and sadly Cork didn't

There's never a right time to critsed
Critical now same critics before Dublin
If cork loose and are out of the championship people say ah look let the dust settle no need for post mortem yet new term just like couninhan got with emergency ccb meeting could happen and look Cork fooling no one bar themselves and it's possible masters said look i critsed after league but look I'll wait til clare and see but clare game really showed problem Cork have and said it then

Yes this should been said in the league but then people would say ah wait til championship
Point is simply when people don't like what said there's never a right time to say it as it's not about timing it more so they just don't want to hear it at all in the ist place

They dont want to hear it in certain quarters most definitely but before the Kerry game isnt the best time i would reckon it should be in papers once out of championship and before appointment happens. problem is none of the press have the courage to take the CCB to task at that time for fear of losing out on access.

Ephie going on about stats saying they won every important stat after they lost the game is all spoof, they were well beaten and i agree injuries affected their ability to compete but when you lose just say you were beaten by the better team maybe if all players available bla bla bla because it just sounds like waffle about stats

thinkstoomuch1

solwhit12 wrote: »

They win by 12 points and your still giving out about Cuthbert you are well entitled to say what you want but at least be fair .you were very quiet when your man ger Cunningham was embarrassed as bad as Cuthbert and there is nothing about that.you cry injuries for the hurlers yet the simple fact we are not good enough .but you will continue to blame managers you don't like.

I have same discussion before you so not much difference in saying now
I have nothing against cuthbhertt only performance Cork manager which surely you acknowledge despite clare win lot worry about
You say oh well we won as if to say we should be happy

With respect don't be naive in cork conceded four goals chances and defence showed no improvement and we still struggle at midfield v kerry and like o se and masters said Cork no plan b chop change lads game after game


What do you want me to say job well done v clare
Most papers even said hardly great performance and examiner said more questions than answers


You seem think I only one critsed management yet numerous others here have
I said from the start he would struggle when he picked no experience in selecting set up


He and I said this before I'd have him administration Cork at very top as he's skill set suits that role and such he's passionate Cork should be involved Cork gaa but not as manager


As for cunningjham no I actually posted regards him
Bottom line with cunningjham is he's proven two different Cork teams and ucc and bsllygunnrr and he's building new Dublin team and has proven ed coughlan so their record earns them time


Cork football has no such record be fair and they inherited senior all Ireland winners and under twenty one players
Nothing more nothing less
If you can tell me what any five Cork management won club or county fair enough I'll say we have something to belive in
Please do so
The McGrath cup doesn't count imo


And no no no its nothing to do with liking or not liking a manager
Just be clear I wouldn't like jack o Connor or mcguimness or Davy Fitz but nothing do with it
What I do is respect and admire their coaching as their records justify it

This with respect is not reality TV about personal preference
I believe you judge solely on performance and results
And before you speak old stuff like JBM I have questions him here
Problem in hurling is no one replace him unlike the football
JBM has a record in past as minor manager and senior
But yes he's not modern day tactical manager and I know you will acknowledge I critsed he's selection after tipp last year when to be fair very few did but they blamed the players

wackokid

TTM, just read the history of Cork senior football and stop waffling on about what, and who you like.
Nobody gives a sh 1 te what you like, or who you like, and even if you try to sound like the high king of GAA knowledge your opinion is no better than others here. You keep on saying 'I said this' and 'I said that' as if it were gospel.

Five ..yes 5 titles since the 15 a side came in back in the mists of time tells us what we need to know about football in Cork.
Cubby appears to be a waffler too, but he's no worse than all the guys that went before him since 1913, with the exception of Donie Donovan, Billy Morgan and lately Conor Counihan who was just lucky that Goulding hit an amazing run of free taking in Croker.

BTW...........Masters is the last one who should comment on the state of Cork football. Not qualified in any way.
Thomás is stirring it up in order to give his Kerry buddies a good tough game in Killarney and ready themselves for bigger tests later on.

It looks like the GAA teams in Cork at all levels have declined alarmingly and the reason is simply too many clubs/teams. Just my opinion of course.

clerk

wackokid wrote: »

Thomás is stirring it up in order to give his Kerry buddies a good tough game in Killarney and ready themselves for bigger tests later on.

That's my reading of it as well, Kerry are so confident of winning that they're happy to have one of their legends do a wind up. It's unusual by them to be doing the talking off the pitch but obviously they're so confident this Year of beating Cork it's all the one to them.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

TTM, just read the history of Cork senior football and stop waffling on about what, and who you like.
Nobody gives a sh 1 te what you like, or who you like, and even if you try to sound like the high king of GAA knowledge your opinion is no better than others here. You keep on saying 'I said this' and 'I said that' as if it were gospel.

Five ..yes 5 titles since the 15 a side came in back in the mists of time tells us what we need to know about football in Cork.
Cubby appears to be a waffler too, but he's no worse than all the guys that went before him since 1913, with the exception of Donie Donovan, Billy Morgan and lately Conor Counihan who was just lucky that Goulding hit an amazing run of free taking in Croker.

BTW...........Masters is the last one who should comment on the state of Cork football. Not qualified in any way.
Thomás is stirring it up in order to give his Kerry buddies a good tough game in Killarney and ready themselves for bigger tests later on.

It looks like the GAA teams in Cork at all levels have declined alarmingly and the reason is simply too many clubs/teams. Just my opinion of course.

Looks I said this before I no intention going tit tat you
I gave opinion certainly don't proclaim know all Cork football
For the record i agree with many your points regards your post
Masters I wouldn't agree with but the other points regards clubs is totally correct but that unlikely to change

Cornerstoner

Just in relation to the current cork hurling situation.
1. Why isn't Pa O'Callaghan available for the seniors let alone U21s? Saw ye mention it just didn't spot the reason if ye did
2. Why do you feel that there are too many clubs? With the size of the county are the number of clubs adequate given the playing resources compared to other smaller counties
Cheers lads

Gary Neville

I can't see how the criticism of Cutbert is justified at this point in time.

He was absolutely brutal last year and deserved every bit, and more, of the criticism he got.

However, he has done much better this year. Morale seems infinitely better. We topped the league in spite of 4 trips North when many expected us to be in a relegation dog-fight. OK, we were very poor in the league final and Dublin out-witted us completely. But it looks as if Cubby had to win the league to be adjudged to be doing well. OK, we gave Clare a few goal chances but that game was about winning well and we did. Remember Limerick always troubled us in the Counihan era.

Cuthbert has brought back AOC and Paddy O Shea - he picked Cronin in the corner and Donncha, Hurley and CON are flying. I think we have to be fair to the guy. At least reserve judgement until after the Munster Final.

I'm yet to to convinced about the man and our implementation of the blanket defence suggests lack of defensive coaching but the first c/ship test is Killarney and who knows how we'll do. If the management and team adopt the negative attitude of some supporters then we may as well turn back when we get to Ballyvourney.

ShamoBuc

While I do see your point, in 'when push comes to shove' games, he has and always will be found wanting. He does not have the know how or tactical ability needed for those games. Come back after the Munster final? Fair enough, but don't be surprised if he fails on the touchline again.

CORKDOUBLE

Gary to be fair I don't think much has changed under Cuthbert ...Flanagan is a big plus ...but that's it the treatment of players is no different ....Whats happened to Stephen O Donoughue ? gone off the panel...Paddy O Shea was up in the covered stand last sunday now maybe injured ....Barry O Driscoll I hope the guy will make it because I always felt he has huge talent and injurys and not getting game time has cost him ...now hes wing back ..he tackled like a forward last sunday ..I can see Kerry targeting him ...then you have the trearment of Fintan Goold and Tom Clancy Fermoy ....its no different to the treatment dished out to Andrew O Sullivan and Sean Dineen and Cathal Vaughan last year and others ....Tomas O Se and James Masters know what there talking about they are NOT making statements like that for fun ..even Colman Corrigan stated that what O Se said is what a lot of us are thinking ....nobody like this constent giving out about anybody but this Manager is out of his depth and has been but wont admit it ...but its the players are suffering under him....I also know parents of one player who wont be making the trip to Killarney ....its just so sad for Cork football ...and we are now the laughing stock around the country .

Gary Neville

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Gary to be fair I don't think much has changed under Cuthbert ...Flanagan is a big plus ...but that's it the treatment of players is no different ....Whats happened to Stephen O Donoughue ? gone off the panel...Paddy O Shea was up in the covered stand last sunday now maybe injured ....Barry O Driscoll I hope the guy will make it because I always felt he has huge talent and injurys and not getting game time has cost him ...now hes wing back ..he tackled like a forward last sunday ..I can see Kerry targeting him ...then you have the trearment of Fintan Goold and Tom Clancy Fermoy ....its no different to the treatment dished out to Andrew O Sullivan and Sean Dineen and Cathal Vaughan last year and others ....Tomas O Se and James Masters know what there talking about they are NOT making statements like that for fun ..even Colman Corrigan stated that what O Se said is what a lot of us are thinking ....nobody like this constent giving out about anybody but this Manager is out of his depth and has been but wont admit it ...but its the players are suffering under him....I also know parents of one player who wont be making the trip to Killarney ....its just so sad for Cork football ...and we are now the laughing stock around the country .

I can't argue with most of what u've posted CD. It's no coincidence that O Se and Masters both referred to the dropping of Gould. Probably didn't go down well with a lot of the squad. The Bomber did a piece where he said that FitzM goes a lot on form in training and maybe Cuthbert did the same wrt Gould and Clancy. I don't know. I must admit that I'd expect Masters to be able to gauge the temperature in the squad so his comments are worrying.

I'd have major concerns about how we implement the blanket defence and our kick-out plays. I'm just hoping that we can pull it together but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if we get hockeyed again. If so then the people that appointed him over Cleary should be held accountable but we all know about Frank, the CB and accountability.

thinkstoomuch1

DuffleBag I agree Dennehy definitely showed a lot of promise to full back for Cork not seen since that bar one of game man of the match debut Eoin cadogan v tipp Cork seven years or so ago have never filled the place of the rock or to be absolutey brutally honest even close in having a effective coherent full back who plays the position rather than the man imo.

That's a problem that good prevention coaching at under age that cork are at last doing in seeing there's a a deprivation of talent at one area of the field so there's focus to work on that at under age and spot potential talent, nourish the talent, guide the talent allow it evolve and in times hopefully be a long term solutions at intercounty level


Dennehy imo what made him stand out in what emphasis the story of he's game in essence was he had to go off with blood pouring down he's face at the end
Now don't pick me up wrong not in the slightest am I advocate I want see blood on a Cork player or indeed any player, no not at all at all but my point was it showed he was in the wars right from the start of the game and he never took a backwardness step not even once
He was always like a full back must be in the thick of the action.


I was hugely impressed by he's edgy style in he like all the great great great i mean the really really great full backs like the rock, curran, lohan, Hickey, Richie mac, jj delaney etc they had the cynical edge, not dirty now but that no man and ball passed at one time in they gave away the free, one point better than three to have conceded.

Foran beat him to two high balls and was bearing down for goals but he stood tall something corner backs by instinct don't or can't be expected to do, and pulled down he's man.



Foran is the type of player that cork struggle with, he's big and robust and strong physical wise, he's great in the air and he's direct
Dennehy conceded just one point but even when beaten to a ball he was never dragged from the square so compare and contrast to the senior game with mcdommell who was dragged all over the place and never held he's line I thought for the ist time in a age we actually may have a player that has an appreciation and understanding for he's role and doesn't try and outhurl he's man or attack the ball, he's holy grail is he's square
He marked zonal than man to man which there's a huge difference in and corner backs like mcdommell Murphy and o Neill are man markers as they have the instinct and wrist hurling to man marking the kelly, Cian lynch, mulchay, McGrath, dwyer, etc but no good against the callilan, power, Walter Walsh, dowling, McDonald, shanhahan, honan, cunningjham, etc in there opponents thrives on high ball and powering through direct in on goal.



Dennehy can't be a man marker on kelly, lynch as that's not he's game but he could be suited with coaching to the dowling, cunningjham and other lads I mentioned above type style as he is good under the high ball, has an edge and abrasive nature to he's hurling and is good under the high ball and from centre back he showed he's plenty of hurling on both sides in he won't get blocked down easily either.
He's fast also and can turn.


He has potential but we don't know how good he'll be unless he gets games
He may or may not be the answer but he looks to have something and riche mac was not great at the start but he showed potential and he developed over time as he had the characteristics and hall marks of a full back
From what I saw all year dennehy had signs but last night was the key test and he was good imo against tough opponent in Foran so he has potential.

He also bravely denied a Dunford goal with a brave block
He was always in communication with those around him also
I don't mind a full back loosing up to three points once no goals go in I'm happy and he was excellent on that regard, the goal was scored when he was off the field.

Cork should call him up the senior and train now as he can't play this year intermediate over played last year so a player like him can only develop he's game further by continuing exposure at intercounty.


Dennehy is lucky in he's at club he has the excellent coaching expertise of limerick Peter finn who coached inter county limerick teams at different grades and lot at club also and cit had pat mulchay and last year and this year had Liam Hayes coaching him with Cork.
He will imo develop and fact charville play him at centre back allows the crisp hurling to be consistent but the problem is if he is going to be Cork senior he needs regular games at full back

I wouldn't start him full back the next day but I would call him up the senior panel and train and if cork got handy draw have him on the panel and next year play him all during the league but in the ist two games play him at corner back like the rock did at the start of he's career, then move him to full back

Bottom line is o Neill mcdommell and Murphy are fine players but they were or never will be full backs or even come close to it.
Dennehy has to be tested at senior but he offers Cork hope in he done well last year at intermediate and now under twenty one and for cit
That might be the one huge positive from the sadness of last night but it's up to landers and JBM to act now on what they saw and imo no excuse not seeing he's potential when that game on TV allows them to video assess he's game in detail.
Hopefully he gets a call up now after last night.
A full back doesn't have to stand out like a corner back in a game with spectacular hurling , once he's not cleaned out its a job well done and Dennhry all credit due done he's job effectively and successfully in every way last night.

CORKDOUBLE

Just watched the u21 game back ....we lost to very good Waterford side a senior team almost ...to be fair our fellas were very committed and gave there all ....we were missing a number of players ....the only positive you could take is all most all of the team/panel are underage again next season so they now have got a lesson on what is required at this level ...hopefully they will learn and I am glad that Damien Irwin and co. are in charge again next year I believe they can improve lots of these fellas ....of course the longer we go without winning something the harder it gets ...but I feel we have a lot of very good young players from last night Patrick Collins, Niall Cashman , Conor Twomey he had some bad wides at times that might have kept in it longer , Martin Brennan and young Darren Casey who neaver gave up were best ...it has to be said that Anthony Spillane was very disappointing ....its over to the Minors now ....