Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Alf Tupper

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

My view on cork with out two key players is not to wind up waterford geuinely I just feel cork as other posters said hsve no depth

I'll take this as TTM code that Cork were not good enough!

I reckon, that no matter what game that Cork come out the wrong side of, in your estimation, it's not that your opponents are superior, it just that Cork would have, could have, should have!!!!

You do know that, in any man's language, that makes you a sore loser!!

I'll leave it at that.

Good night and genuinely all the best to Cork in all grades for the rest of the season.

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

I'll take this as TTM code that Cork were not good enough!

I reckon, that no matter what game that Cork come out the wrong side of, in your estimation, it's not that your opponents are superior, it just that Cork would have, could have, should have!!!!

You do know that, in any man's language, that makes you a sore loser!!

I'll leave it at that.

Good night and genuinely all the best to Cork in all grades for the rest of the season.

I respect your opinion Alf but I have to disagree
I have on many team beaten cotk said there the better team buy like any fan would offer ones insight in to how we rectify poor performance and I know you will appreciate and understand such views

Good night to you also I hope you have a lovely Pleasant sleep and geuinely all the best to waterford senior hurling in the rest of their season
I would wish the minor and intermediate but their out and I can't wish the under twenty one as obviously I want cork to win

Alf Tupper

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I would wish the minor and intermediate but their out

Enough said, TTM, you make my argument for me.

Always the bitter word.

Sore loser.

QED.

Hurleratheart

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Enough said, TTM, you make my argument for me.

Always the bitter word.

Sore loser.

QED.

Dont say you werent warned ................😝

Alf Tupper

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Dont say you werent warned ................��

True enough.

Fair play for the warning.

I should have listened to you!

Christ, life is just too short:)

thinkstoomuch1

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Enough said, TTM, you make my argument for me.

Always the bitter word.

Sore loser.

QED.

I wasn't now to be fair I was just calling it as it was
I couldn't wish two teams that were already out could I luck
I wished the one team that was left bar under twenty one who naturally want cork beat luck so it's fair to expect I don't want waterford to beat cork and wished you good night sleep simply as you said good night and it's courtesy in my book to return the acknowledgement.
In fairness I can't win either way.

Straight Talker

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I wasn't now to be fair I was just calling it as it was
I couldn't wish two teams that were already out could I luck
I wished the one team that was left bar under twenty one who naturally want cork beat luck so it's fair to expect I don't want waterford to beat cork and wished you good night sleep simply as you said good night and it's courtesy in my book to return the acknowledgement.
In fairness I can't win either way.

Just leave them off their just looking for a reaction and dragging the thread down into the gutter in the process.For some reason im not too depressed right now.We do have the firepower up front to win matches but our defensive organisation or lack off and our inability to deal with teams that deploy defensive and negative tactics is a recurring theme with this management team.JBM is great at motivating the players but he's not a great tactician and he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes because the same mistakes keep happening over and over again.I still think were good enough to cause teams problems.We need to become a team that other counties fear playing again and i will say a prayer that we will land a minor all Ireland in September.What a lift that would give to the county.

Connorzee

Watching it again last night (for my sins) i thought a lot of the game, bar the first 20 mins bypassed Bill Cooper. I know the same can be said for a lot of the Cork players but for a man who is in effect our Timmy Mac of the era where he's really there to break ball, and create breaks for others he wasnt really putting himself about. He didnt get much of a look in with puck outs either.

Dare i say it that it might be time to have a look at the bench and maybe drop a few fellas and bring in the likes of John Cronin and mix things up. Had harnedy been fit, the plan B for any of the half forward line not performing was bringing Pa Cronin on. The result sunday was that Darren Mac and Rob OShea who are ball playing midfielders a la Kearney were brought on. To be fair to the two of them Darren Mac has been the standout club player the past 2/3 seasons but hasnt got a run at midfield up until sunday, and Rob OShea many would say was unlucky not to be starting after the league he had. Now is the time to have a look at fellas through the qualifiers. It should've been done earlier in the year though.

commonsense.

Straight Talker wrote:

We do have the firepower up front to win matches but our defensive organisation or lack off and our inability to deal with teams that deploy defensive and negative tactics is a recurring theme with this management team.JBM is great at motivating the players but he's not a great tactician and he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes because the same mistakes keep happening over and over again.I still think were good enough to cause teams problems.We need to become a team that other counties fear playing again and i will say a prayer that we will land a minor all Ireland in September.What a lift that would give to the county.

I agree with you regards our tactical ineptitudes. But that's about it I'm afraid.
We don't have sufficient fire power to win BIG matches. Yes, we absolutely need to become feared again as a hurling force but I'm afraid that day is a long way off.
Last Sunday was a sad day for the once great Blood and Bandage.
And I don't say that lightly.
This is Cork for Gods sake and to be reduced to what we witnessed two days ago is shocking.
The players are blameless by the way in all of this. They are products of the hurling environment in which they were reared. The buck stops with the CCB. While the KKs/Tipps/W'fords/Clares/Wexfords/Dublins/Limericks of the hurling world were nurturing our wonderful game over the last 10/15 years our boyos were asleep at the wheel. Their attitude of what worked before will work again has been well and truly found out. Mushrooms me arse.
It's a long road back for Cork and the upsetting part is that our current dictatorship don't or won't accept the perilous state the game is in here. Yes our academies are reasonably well structured but that's it I'm afraid. Totally under resourced in financial terms and in terms of the right personnel. That is not to slight all the great people who are running the various development squads but a whole generation of hurling heroes are being locked out in an attempt to settle old scores. To name but one, it is an absolute scandal that the CCB are not man enough to swallow their pride and get Donal Og working at grass roots level in Cork.
Once upon a time All Irelands were the staple diet of hurling folk in this county. Those days are long gone and are not in danger of returning any time soon.

Mountainlad

Straight Talker wrote: »

It certainly looks like some of ye in Waterford are classless winners and im referring to the gang of Waterford supporters that are behaving in an inappropriate manner on this thread.There was nothing said by Thinkstoomuch on yere thread on the run up to the match.Well done on yere win but we'll rise again for you see we are Cork.;)

I've been calling out what he's said since December to be fair. He doesn't have to say we are class but all this found out business, "ye think yer great", really annoys me.

Horse84

Mountainlad wrote: »

I've been calling out what he's said since December to be fair. He doesn't have to say we are class but all this found out business, "ye think yer great", really annoys me.

Fair enough that it annoys u but sure you don't have to read it. For the love of God will u not leave us be depressed in our own thread for the week that's in it
Ye won, absolutely fully deserved to win, injuries no injuries doesn't matter. IMHO a fully fit Waterford would beat a fully fit cork team handy right now. I and more of us have congratulated ye what more do u feckin want like? Accept it and move on!

I know as much about that Waterford team as my own. I've played with some of them and God help me I've baby sat 2 of em. I text em before the match wishing them well. Believe me I know the work that's gone into getting those players through and it kills me that we can't have it here, absolutely kills me.

Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It epitomises this team, management and players alike. It's very hard to watch.

Someone said the players aren't to blame as they're a product of a broken disfunctional system and that's very true. I said before that the quality of bench would be a deciding factor on Sunday. Now look at what the return from the cork bench. 1 65' from Darren mac compare that to Waterford's what was it maybe 1-06 not sure but the quality of player coming in is miles ahead of what we have. It just is like.

Some of these guys have grown up knowing nothing but winning and it's quite evident in their demeanour. People go on about the great Waterford team of the noughties but I think that was more a team of some gifted individuals. This panel and it is a panel has a lot more depth and in my view more substance. I'll reserve my judgement on Derek McGrath just yet but I've no doubt on the quality of players.

I'll just say one thing about the current cork minor team. With the result on Sunday it's putting even more pressure on this bunch. They've been talked up a lot here and I think that's fine but maybe a bit of perspective is required.

Twoman Fullbackline

An outside view, I'm sure this has been all been posted here before:

- For the love of jaysus sort out the full-back line. Even in a case of going man-to-man, a full back being caught on the wrong side of his man is absolutely criminal at this level. Positional awareness is far more important than hurling in this line. Waterford should have been in for two or three more goals only for Nash saves/poor enough Waterford shots.

- I wouldn't agree with dropping Horgan, a bit like the debate in Limerick over Hannon is there really someone good enough on the bench to justify replacing him? Bring him out to the 40 where the game cannot pass him by.

- Is there any auld handball alley down in Kanturk for Aidan Walsh to use? His hurling is, if anything, getting worse.

- Cork were out on their feet after about 20 minutes of work on Sunday. You won't get anywhere in this day and age without sustaining that for a whole match. It's mad to think that only two championship matches ago Cork won the Munster Final and were full value for their win, in fairness Limerick played into their hands that day by going 15 on 15, but still fitness now seems to be well off what's required.

- Why does Paudie O'Sullivan never start? Generally good for a goal.

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

I've been calling out what he's said since December to be fair. He doesn't have to say we are class but all this found out business, "ye think yer great", really annoys me.

Look I'm entitled to my opinion and I ain't going to change just become popular now in your view and especially not now when a few more lads trying force me to change it from your thread
As said by another poster it entirely up to you and others to read or not to read or agree or disagree with
We disagree but I said you and others in i respect the right of your opinion please allow me the same courtesy

TyrionPower

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look I'm entitled to my opinion and I ain't going to change just become popular now in your view and especially not now when a few more lads trying force me to change it from your thread
As said by another poster it entirely up to you and others to read or not to read or agree or disagree with
We disagree but I said you and others in i respect the right of your opinion please allow me the same courtesy

Just out of curiosity is it still your opinion that cork lost the league final on purpose? Yes or No is fine

thinkstoomuch1

TyrionPower wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is it still your opinion that cork lost the league final on purpose? Yes or No is fine

I given my answers numerous times and you know the answer
The difference in work rate and intensity was there to see
I didn't say Cork went out throw the game but focus was always imo on championship
Now you and others will disagree fair enough so that's your right but we're going around in circles and I said numerous times to move on but course I do that I'm seen as avoiding the question yet it i gave my opinion I'm seeing as trying to annoying some
I can't win either way but all I can do when I'm called out repeated answer same question is give the answer

It's just my opinion and yere entitled to differ

thinkstoomuch1

Horse84 wrote: »

Fair enough that it annoys u but sure you don't have to read it. For the love of God will u not leave us be depressed in our own thread for the week that's in it
Ye won, absolutely fully deserved to win, injuries no injuries doesn't matter. IMHO a fully fit Waterford would beat a fully fit cork team handy right now. I and more of us have congratulated ye what more do u feckin want like? Accept it and move on!

I know as much about that Waterford team as my own. I've played with some of them and God help me I've baby sat 2 of em. I text em before the match wishing them well. Believe me I know the work that's gone into getting those players through and it kills me that we can't have it here, absolutely kills me.

Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It epitomises this team, management and players alike. It's very hard to watch.

Someone said the players aren't to blame as they're a product of a broken disfunctional system and that's very true. I said before that the quality of bench would be a deciding factor on Sunday. Now look at what the return from the cork bench. 1 65' from Darren mac compare that to Waterford's what was it maybe 1-06 not sure but the quality of player coming in is miles ahead of what we have. It just is like.

Some of these guys have grown up knowing nothing but winning and it's quite evident in their demeanour. People go on about the great Waterford team of the noughties but I think that was more a team of some gifted individuals. This panel and it is a panel has a lot more depth and in my view more substance. I'll reserve my judgement on Derek McGrath just yet but I've no doubt on the quality of players.

I'll just say one thing about the current cork minor team. With the result on Sunday it's putting even more pressure on this bunch. They've been talked up a lot here and I think that's fine but maybe a bit of perspective is required.

I'd agree with that and even before Sunday the pressure on the minor was huge as it's unfortunately going to be until a team gets to munster final
I feel for the young lads involved but unfortunately the famine and at senior adds to the pressure and like wise at under twenty-one
Kingston loss in this regard for he's leadership and captaincy can't be underestimate imo

Connorzee

Moving on from waterford... anyone wanna make a stab at a football team for the weekend?

thinkstoomuch1

Twoman Fullbackline wrote: »

An outside view, I'm sure this has been all been posted here before:

- For the love of jaysus sort out the full-back line. Even in a case of going man-to-man, a full back being caught on the wrong side of his man is absolutely criminal at this level. Positional awareness is far more important than hurling in this line. Waterford should have been in for two or three more goals only for Nash saves/poor enough Waterford shots.

- I wouldn't agree with dropping Horgan, a bit like the debate in Limerick over Hannon is there really someone good enough on the bench to justify replacing him? Bring him out to the 40 where the game cannot pass him by.

- Is there any auld handball alley down in Kanturk for Aidan Walsh to use? His hurling is, if anything, getting worse.

- Cork were out on their feet after about 20 minutes of work on Sunday. You won't get anywhere in this day and age without sustaining that for a whole match. It's mad to think that only two championship matches ago Cork won the Munster Final and were full value for their win, in fairness Limerick played into their hands that day by going 15 on 15, but still fitness now seems to be well off what's required.

- Why does Paudie O'Sullivan never start? Generally good for a goal.

I'd agree with all that bar a few points
Walsh you are correct and he needs to work on he's left side
Paudie since got injured is seen as a sub and imo should be ist sub as cork need to play two man full forward line

Full back line is a shambles
As for horgam no one has he's skill but it's good only if he has the right attitude
Playing him centre forward is a recipe disaster as he lacks the drive and hunger to fight for dirty ball
He needs be dropped and Spillane started as he offers more goal threat

thinkstoomuch1

Connorzee wrote: »

Moving on from waterford... anyone wanna make a stab at a football team for the weekend?

I think you could pick twelve certain starters
We played mayo and Galway in challenge and after Dublin challenge but the problem we have key areas like defence I heard still there
Well beat clare but it won't be a team win in individual class win it but we're imo lucky it's in Cork

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

I agree with you regards our tactical ineptitudes. But that's about it I'm afraid.
We don't have sufficient fire power to win BIG matches. Yes, we absolutely need to become feared again as a hurling force but I'm afraid that day is a long way off.
Last Sunday was a sad day for the once great Blood and Bandage.
And I don't say that lightly.
This is Cork for Gods sake and to be reduced to what we witnessed two days ago is shocking.
The players are blameless by the way in all of this. They are products of the hurling environment in which they were reared. The buck stops with the CCB. While the KKs/Tipps/W'fords/Clares/Wexfords/Dublins/Limericks of the hurling world were nurturing our wonderful game over the last 10/15 years our boyos were asleep at the wheel. Their attitude of what worked before will work again has been well and truly found out. Mushrooms me arse.
It's a long road back for Cork and the upsetting part is that our current dictatorship don't or won't accept the perilous state the game is in here. Yes our academies are reasonably well structured but that's it I'm afraid. Totally under resourced in financial terms and in terms of the right personnel. That is not to slight all the great people who are running the various development squads but a whole generation of hurling heroes are being locked out in an attempt to settle old scores. To name but one, it is an absolute scandal that the CCB are not man enough to swallow their pride and get Donal Og working at grass roots level in Cork.
Once upon a time All Irelands were the staple diet of hurling folk in this county. Those days are long gone and are not in danger of returning any time soon.

Excellent post and I have lamented this and said this many times before
We all know though nothing will change

TyrionPower

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I given my answers numerous times and you know the answer
The difference in work rate and intensity was there to see
I didn't say Cork went out throw the game but focus was always imo on championship
Now you and others will disagree fair enough so that's your right but we're going around in circles and I said numerous times to move on but course I do that I'm seen as avoiding the question yet it i gave my opinion I'm seeing as trying to annoying some
I can't win either way but all I can do when I'm called out repeated answer same question is give the answer

It's just my opinion and yere entitled to differ

Having watched the league final again Corks work rate was terrible and they played in Waterfords hands by pressing them high on Sunday, it worked for 20 minutes and played into Waterfords hands in the finish with all the space in the Cork back line.
It looks like a team that is not thinking on the line or the field during the game.
Still in saying that there is nothing wrong with there spirit, which I think is a credit to management.
Of course the doubts still have to remain for Waterford, maybe playing Cork at this present time just suits us for a variety of reasons.. (Cork's system, Cork not being very physical may have suited a young Waterford team)
But who is to know in sport, last year we got hammered by Cork, this year we got over the line...
That's sport, sometimes you have to just take your beating, park the lame excuses and 'keep the powder dry' til the next day

thinkstoomuch1

TyrionPower wrote: »

Having watched the league final again Corks work rate was terrible and they played in Waterfords hands by pressing them high on Sunday, it worked for 20 minutes and played into Waterfords hands in the finish with all the space in the Cork back line.
It looks like a team that is not thinking on the line or the field during the game.
Still in saying that there is nothing wrong with there spirit, which I think is a credit to management.
Of course the doubts still have to remain for Waterford, maybe playing Cork at this present time just suits us for a variety of reasons.. (Cork's system, Cork not being very physical may have suited a young Waterford team)
But who is to know in sport, last year we got hammered by Cork, this year we got over the line...
That's sport, sometimes you have to just take your beating, park the lame excuses and 'keep the powder dry' til the next day

Waterford are in the all Ireland series so there in good place
As you said yourself there playing cork this time suited them and that was down to the two injuries imo
Best of luck in the all Ireland series
As you said the doubts remain for waterford and I don't think they will meet as poor as full back line out of the remaining teams in the top four so they will face much tougher tests and they need to be more ruthless as poor cork were game was close and against kk you can't allow that

rebel girl 15

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I given my answers numerous times and you know the answer
The difference in work rate and intensity was there to see
I didn't say Cork went out throw the game but focus was always imo on championship
It's just my opinion and yere entitled to differ

I think that is complete rubbish tbh, its not like Cork have loads of league medals hanging around, and it was a very convenient line to throw out in the wake of the league final, and it still wasn't true.

If the focus was on championship, why only bring Brian Murphy back so late - seeing as they brought in the lad from Midleton into the full back line? Where was any sort of a game plan, besides a vague every man must win his own ball kind of thing, which clearly Cork cannot do?

It wouldn't have mattered what Cork 15 were on the pitch on Sunday, with or without injuries - Waterford would have been better. The scoreline does not reflect Waterford's dominance for 50 minutes of that game, where they hit 14 wides! Cork got the goal, minutes later Waterford hit back with a goal of their own to increase the lead - it was almost like they were toying with Cork!! Missing Mahoney for them was worse than Cork missing Seamus for the direct impact on the scoreboard!

I liked whoever posted about insanity - that is the exact definition of this Cork team at the moment. Same wristy type light hurlers who cannot put their hand up. Full back line who were not given any protection - for the first goal you could see Cork were in trouble. Anything happen? No - and that is down to JBM and the line. For the county the size that we are, it is nearly shameful to say about the size of our pick and quality of choice. From last year's All Ireland intermediate winning team, is it only Cormac Murphy that has moved on to the senior?

slingerz

Connorzee wrote: »

Moving on from waterford... anyone wanna make a stab at a football team for the weekend?

Ken O'Halloran
James Loughrey
Michael Shields
Noel Galvin
Thomas Clancy - Fermoy
Eoin Cadogan
Conor Dorman
Fintan Goold
Alan O'Connor
Kevin O'Driscoll
Paul Kerrigan
Colm O'Driscoll
Brian Hurley
Mark Collins
Colm O'Neill

thinkstoomuch1

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I think that is complete rubbish tbh, its not like Cork have loads of league medals hanging around, and it was a very convenient line to throw out in the wake of the league final, and it still wasn't true.

If the focus was on championship, why only bring Brian Murphy back so late - seeing as they brought in the lad from Midleton into the full back line? Where was any sort of a game plan, besides a vague every man must win his own ball kind of thing, which clearly Cork cannot do?

It wouldn't have mattered what Cork 15 were on the pitch on Sunday, with or without injuries - Waterford would have been better. The scoreline does not reflect Waterford's dominance for 50 minutes of that game, where they hit 14 wides! Cork got the goal, minutes later Waterford hit back with a goal of their own to increase the lead - it was almost like they were toying with Cork!! Missing Mahoney for them was worse than Cork missing Seamus for the direct impact on the scoreboard!

I liked whoever posted about insanity - that is the exact definition of this Cork team at the moment. Same wristy type light hurlers who cannot put their hand up. Full back line who were not given any protection - for the first goal you could see Cork were in trouble. Anything happen? No - and that is down to JBM and the line. For the county the size that we are, it is nearly shameful to say about the size of our pick and quality of choice. From last year's All Ireland intermediate winning team, is it only Cormac Murphy that has moved on to the senior?

I'd agree with a lot of that but Murphy was brought in around lorcan injury and Egan declined come back
In essence I agree the line made a balls sullivan and Ryan situation


The point you make regards puck out is correct as cork only won eleven and it shows how harney was missed as cork had one ball winner really in no sub with cronin starting

Cronin waterford left free as they allowed him take the scores as Burke protected the full back line from goals as cronin has no speed
Harney would have challenged them more in he had to be marked as he gets running he causes damage as munster final goal last year proved so it would forced Burke out

Huge huge loss
The back line with lorcan missed he's distribution and sweeping ability


Brian sullivan and Anthony Spillane are on the panel and colm Barry got a few games in the winter but that was it
John cronin got two games one v laois in a challenge match and got four points from play and then jbm praised him
Played v kk and then dropped
Two games and home and that's a complete jokes when McCarthy lawton and moylan get a panel place
The allowing of Horgan also to be awful from play with out being dropped is a joke also

I agree totally it would been a lame excuses to say Cork after the league final the focus was on championship but that's why as it's known here I said it in the week of the game and at half time I said cork would fall away
For all cork fault Sunday they never stopped fighting

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

Ken O'Halloran
James Loughrey
Michael Shields
Noel Galvin
Thomas Clancy - Fermoy
Eoin Cadogan
Conor Dorman
Fintan Goold
Alan O'Connor
Kevin O'Driscoll
Paul Kerrigan
Colm O'Driscoll
Brian Hurley
Mark Collins
Colm O'Neill

I think it be similar to that and you're right but that imo is a truly awful team in we have a corner back who's a half back, a half back line with two attack minded wing backs and won't hold the line, a midfielder who as great as he was o connor pace is gone and won't last a full game


We have gould in eight years never perform in big games but yes he'll do good Sunday
We have a half forward line with two lads can't kick long varied ball and only hand pass lateral wise and run in to contact and will get turnovers against the top teams and they can't create and score long distance


We have kerrigan who likely give another interview this week talking the good game but in big games lacks the hunger and drive
Full forward line fine but won't get enough fast ball



The blanket defence will be awful to watch in its numbers back yet unlike Dublin and cavan and monaghan and the cork ladies we have no structure or organisation and that's down to know proven football coach within
Clare will be better coached and organised but have no where near cork talent under ephie
Brennan will cause cork huge problem at midfielder


Corks ist sub likely be Barry o driscoll and he is a forward but will play half back
It's so predictable at this stage
John hayes will be used yet the outstanding young talent and brilliant for the club last week Dan mceoin only got two games this year and dropped and team played on start year gave him no supply of ball

commonsense.

Horse84 wrote: »

Fair enough that it annoys u but sure you don't have to read it. For the love of God will u not leave us be depressed in our own thread for the week that's in it
Ye won, absolutely fully deserved to win, injuries no injuries doesn't matter. IMHO a fully fit Waterford would beat a fully fit cork team handy right now. I and more of us have congratulated ye what more do u feckin want like? Accept it and move on!

I know as much about that Waterford team as my own. I've played with some of them and God help me I've baby sat 2 of em. I text em before the match wishing them well. Believe me I know the work that's gone into getting those players through and it kills me that we can't have it here, absolutely kills me.

Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It epitomises this team, management and players alike. It's very hard to watch.

Someone said the players aren't to blame as they're a product of a broken disfunctional system and that's very true. I said before that the quality of bench would be a deciding factor on Sunday. Now look at what the return from the cork bench. 1 65' from Darren mac compare that to Waterford's what was it maybe 1-06 not sure but the quality of player coming in is miles ahead of what we have. It just is like.

Some of these guys have grown up knowing nothing but winning and it's quite evident in their demeanour. People go on about the great Waterford team of the noughties but I think that was more a team of some gifted individuals. This panel and it is a panel has a lot more depth and in my view more substance. I'll reserve my judgement on Derek McGrath just yet but I've no doubt on the quality of players.

I'll just say one thing about the current cork minor team. With the result on Sunday it's putting even more pressure on this bunch. They've been talked up a lot here and I think that's fine but maybe a bit of perspective is required.

I think minors are too wrapped up in their own little world to be concerned about senior success or otherwise. So I don't necessarily agree that Sunday's result heaps any additional pressure on them. Any pressure they feel I think comes from the weight of years since Cork last tasted success at this level. .
And while they have been discussed at length here I don't think they have been talked up a whole pile. The Cork hurling public (at least those in touch with minor hurling matters) might have expectations for this group but again that doesn't filter through to 17/18 year olds. There is certainly a hope that they will do well and at least reach A Munster final but that is being realistic as opposed to being over hyped.
In what sense do you think there isn't perspective?

Horse84

commonsense. wrote: »

I think minors are too wrapped up in their own little world to be concerned about senior success or otherwise. So I don't necessarily agree that Sunday's result heaps any additional pressure on them. Any pressure they feel I think comes from the weight of years since Cork last tasted success at this level. .
And while they have been discussed at length here I don't think they have been talked up a whole pile. The Cork hurling public (at least those in touch with minor hurling matters) might have expectations for this group but again that doesn't filter through to 17/18 year olds. There is certainly a hope that they will do well and at least reach A Munster final but that is being realistic as opposed to being over hyped.
In what sense do you think there isn't perspective?

Yea that's all fair enough. You seem to be closer to the underage setup than most so I'll take that on board.
I meant that there wasn't perspective as this group like years of underage players in cork before them now have no or very little success (u17 tournament aside) to go on. They've been competitive at harty but still not won anything. Not only that but they have no older brothers/cousins of their age to look up to and hold as examples. Other counties have that and I think it means a lot.
The loss of their talisman and captain is also there.
They have to go to Limerick and beat Limerick now again, a county with recent underage success and pedigree.
I think we all agree that there is undoubted talent in the squad but is it that ahead of other counties I'm not so sure.

TyrionPower

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Waterford are in the all Ireland series so there in good place
As you said yourself there playing cork this time suited them and that was down to the two injuries imo
Best of luck in the all Ireland series
As you said the doubts remain for waterford and I don't think they will meet as poor as full back line out of the remaining teams in the top four so they will face much tougher tests and they need to be more ruthless as poor cork were game was close and against kk you can't allow that

Ya look no team can be judged now, there is a long way to go yet, Tipp at this stage were slated in 2010 and ending up top of the pile, stopping a 5 in a row

O Riain

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Waterford are in the all Ireland series so there in good place
As you said yourself there playing cork this time suited them and that was down to the two injuries imo
Best of luck in the all Ireland series
As you said the doubts remain for waterford and I don't think they will meet as poor as full back line out of the remaining teams in the top four so they will face much tougher tests and they need to be more ruthless as poor cork were game was close and against kk you can't allow that

You keep going on about Cork's injuries. What about the fact that Waterford were missing one of their top players in Pauric Mahoney who broke his shin not 4 weeks ago. Not to mention Darragh Fives and Stephen Daniels still being unable to make appearances due to injuries. All three of those boys are starters so does it not make Waterford and Cork even at least in the injuries department making your point totally invalid?