Cork GAA Discussion Thread

zetecescort

no idea. this was posted in the Hurling championship thread


Round 1
Round 1A Clare v Leinster Quarter Finalist
Round 1A Leinster Quarter Finalist v Leinster Quarter Finalist
Round 1B Munster Semi Finalist v Leinster Semi Finalist
Round 1B Leinster Semi Finalist v Munster Semi Finalist

Round 2
Round 1A winner v Round 1B winner
Round 1B winner v Round 1A winner

The two Round 2 winners go through to the Quarter Finals to play the losing Leinster and Munster finalists.

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

But you see in cork horgan has this golden boy reputation he can't be critsed yet young lehane gets huge dose as did cronin last year despite carrying an injury and being several sick the year before


Cahalane is not the stylish hurler but at least he tried and showed a want a desire a hunger to work
Horgan attuide field play was a disgrace and last year all championship from play it was the same and three games from play for the glen he was poor and even against ballymartle few weeks he's team cries out for leadership in the last ten minutes he was no where to be seen


Automatically set to start the next day and shows all what wrong this set up cork hurling lack ruthless conviction cody and cody would dropped horgan a long time ago
Cooper is no where near as gifted but at least he tried and worked
I'd take him off frees and drop him the next game and I said this even before today's game

Congratulations
Dunford glesson Walsh showed leadership when it mattered the most


I'm delighted for shanahan to have a great game for all he's been through bar it being against cork of course
Dillion never convinced me but he was good also and definitely has got better

TTM couldn't agree with you more. I've been saying this for ages if you take the frees off hoggie(the sunshine boy) he doesn't bring a lot to this team and hasn't for a long time. Pa has always been the scapegoat for a lot of this teams shortcomings. You called it right on the FBline. Anyone who thinks Shamie isn't the leader of this team are as poor sighted as Barry Kelly. Honestly one of the worst refereeing displays in a long time. I don't want this to sound like sour grapes but it was awful. Bill Cooper came out of this game with his head high again.Its a pity he doesn't shoot more often instead of passing. he must learn to be a little more selfish. How many times he puts in a shift while others around him fail to come up to the mark. Maybe the wise men on the sideline will let him centre field and forget about trying to turn footballers in to hurlers. When on top in 1st half we didn't keep the scoreboard ticking over. fell asleep for 5mins & Waterford punished us. another 70mins without a goalscoring chance from play. Lehane didn't get going til the hour mark & when he did the game was gone. All the Waterford defence did was drag him down(take a card for the team). If he imposed himself earlier their defence would be on tenderhooks for the rest of the game. Congrats to Waterford but by no means a game to warm the cockles

wackokid

Like I said TTM............two can play your game of saving the posts of other 'experts' and regurgitating stuff later.
Here is what you, the self appointed expert here posted after Waterford stuffed Cork in the league final.
Surely this will help stop you from continuing the rubbish and silly arguments that you fester here? I doubt it though but ..............

TTM Sunday 3rd May after humiliation by Waterford in Thurles.

Waterford very predictable sean have no plan b so have no doubt I'll be proven right cork will win What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June
All Ireland is long way off for now but Waterford are no kk despite louganne yerra talk

This is set up for cork sean
Walsh still getting hurling up speed even said during week long way go yet
He needs games

What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June

Rebel norrie

Very disappointing today.What can I say about Hoggy. He needs a good slap to get him going. Fair play to both Murphy & Cronin. Waterford very good hungry & intensity.

wackokid

As for Walsh getting his hurling up to speed.................gimme a break

randd1

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Absolutely but you take two central players out of that team will centre back and a centre forward who all games cork won under jbm have performed excellent wise course they make a huge huge difference

OK Harnedy missing was a big loss to Cork, I don't think anyone can doubt that. But was O'Mahony missing for Waterford any less of a blow? I don't think so. Missing players is par for the course in the championship.

Where Cork fell down today was Joyce and Egan missing at the back, they simply couldn't afford to miss them two. Even at that, they're not what you would call top drawer compared to other counties. Ellis is class, but what played at the back today, just isn't good enough, O'Neill, Cormac Murphy, Cahalane, McDonnell have no defensive awareness and Brian Murphy is a retiree with good reason, a former great that just does't have the legs.

Cork, on their day, have the forwards to win matches. But its defenders that win you trophies, and in that, Cork sinply haven't the quality.

I suspect that Cork will make a run in the qualifiers, but I also suspect that the first team they face this year (whether its in the qualifiers or the AI final) that will run at them, and have the defense to cope with their forwards, will beat them.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Like I said TTM............two can play your game of saving the posts of other 'experts' and regurgitating stuff later.
Here is what you, the self appointed expert here posted after Waterford stuffed Cork in the league final.
Surely this will help stop you from continuing the rubbish and silly arguments that you fester here? I doubt it though but ..............

TTM Sunday 3rd May after humiliation by Waterford in Thurles.

Waterford very predictable sean have no plan b so have no doubt I'll be proven right cork will win What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June
All Ireland is long way off for now but Waterford are no kk despite louganne yerra talk

This is set up for cork sean
Walsh still getting hurling up speed even said during week long way go yet
He needs games

What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June

I respect your right to your opinion course lorcan or harnedy were not injured then
There's no game here
Fair play you want do such nonsense all cause I critsed field play your heroes two driscoll and Hayes that repeated field play performance don't delivery big games for cork and course driscoll was meant to show mccsffery how it's done and we know how that turned out
I had no doubt absolutely then but as good as I am please forgive me I can't see in to the future
Nobody is self proclaimed expert here but I post opinion and unfortunately you got upset cause your three players huge fan of you hate see critsed yet game after game after game their poor like many other cork posters here said and I was proven right with these players
Only driscoll be involved with cork are Brian who could he great and gene in coaching capacity


Thank you as you proved what I said in June cork lack depth and Walsh has long way to go and needs games
This post highlights my point cork lacked depth even before we knew lorcan or harnedy got injured
Youre post reconfirm my view
I appreciate it geuinely

And a point of note I said all week cork would loose by a few points so surely this predictable closer to the match outweighs previous month ago as things changed
I was right with this prediction and I hsve no intention repost it as everyone knows here I said cork would loose but the one I got totally wrong was the intermediate game and I'm so glad I did as cork won

Amprodude

My assessment on the Cork hurlers is we are dire and it's an absolute disgrace that we were once a powerhouse of hurling and now we are just not good enough and havent been since 2007. Serious problem in Cork at the moment and I think jbm should Park the bus now too and let someone else take over, he won't lead Cork to win All Ireland anytime soon so he should now go. Nice fella but I feel he's a bit too soft for the job. We need a fiery guy who will get them revved up for any encounter. The hurlers are just dead with ambition at the moment. Players like Cahalane shouldn't be left near a hurley let alone play with a Cork team. Cork pride themselves with their hurling but now the team is making a habit of getting beaten by teams more regularly than ever before (sorry Waterford) but until 2002 they rarely beat Cork in championship hurling. Now they expect to beat Cork each time and that shows where the standard of Cork hurling has dropped to. Next the Kerry hurlers will put it up to us and could beat us if something isn't done in the county. We are building centre of excellences in the county for the likes of Waterford, Tipp, Limerick and Clare to hammer us in our own backyard. Cork hurling is a good bit off the standard required. Cork are goosed for 2015 anyway and we are going out in the next round or two whether we like it or not.

thinkstoomuch1

Amprodude wrote: »

My assessment on the Cork hurlers is we are dire and it's an absolute disgrace that we were once a powerhouse of hurling and now we are just not good enough and havent been since 2007. Serious problem in Cork at the moment and I think jbm should Park the bus now too and let someone else take over, he won't lead Cork to win All Ireland anytime soon so he should now go. Nice fella but I feel he's a bit too soft for the job. We need a fiery guy who will get them revved up for any encounter. The hurlers are just dead with ambition at the moment. Players like Cahalane shouldn't be left near a hurley let alone play with a Cork team. Cork pride themselves with their hurling but now the team is making a habit of getting beaten by teams more regularly than ever before (sorry Waterford) but until 2002 they rarely beat Cork in championship hurling. Now they expect to beat Cork each time and that shows where the standard of Cork hurling has dropped to. Next the Kerry hurlers will put it up to us and could beat us if something isn't done in the county. We are building centre of excellences in the county for the likes of Waterford, Tipp, Limerick and Care to hammer us in our own backyard. We are goosed for 2015 anyway so we are going out in the next round or two whether we like it or not.

A lot of truth here and I agree
The problem if jbm goes who comes in
O grady won't and cunningham is gone
Mulchay hasn't a hope getting it unfortunately so we have no options imo

I think the next defeat he has jbm won't hang around he'll walk himself despite being a two year term he will think he has taken them as far as he can
Anyone want to name candidates
Midelton and sarafields both counties champions last two years there management haven't done anything to suggest their up to senior so we're struggle now thinks can actually get a whole lot worse as team plays for jbm at least
This should never have happened as cunningham should got the job

zetecescort

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

A lot of truth here and I agree
The problem if jbm goes who comes in
O grady won't and cunningham is gone
Mulchay hasn't a hope getting it unfortunately so we have no options imo

this is the depressing part, no obvious choice of manager and little coming through underage. we are ten years without an All Ireland and it'll be a good while yet.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

this is the depressing part, no obvious choice of manager and little coming through underage. we are ten years without an All Ireland and it'll be a good while yet.

That's the problem unlike the football where there's load of candidates we have few if any imo and I wonder who people think we should get?

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

this is the depressing part, no obvious choice of manager and little coming through underage. we are ten years without an All Ireland and it'll be a good while yet.

People laughed at o grady when he said could be 2020 before we win senior years ago
It's not that far away now to reach that famine

zetecescort

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's the problem unlike the football where there's load of candidates we have few if any imo and I wonder who people think we should get?

its not who we should get but who the CCB will give it to. God help us.

The White Feather

Contrary to other people here, I think the game had good bits and bad bits from a Cork point of view.Everything was going well until Waterford got their first goal.We could have been more up if Aidan Walsh had not missed around 3 points or at least found a forward up the field.Sometimes you cannot stop good play which the goals were except the goal where the C. Murphy fell asleep and allowed the runner in behind.

Everyone is quick to write Cork off totally and go after TTM for some reason. He just has an opinion and they can change as the year goes on.

First half we played better but ended up losing at half time due to well taken goals.I would have taken off Walsh after missing 3 chances in the first half.He looks like he is coming back from a break every time he plays.You have to be ruthless and not just "well he is taking time to get into it" I have said this before but Cody is great in this situation(among many others of course!) When a sub was put on and allowed his marker to score easily he took him off again. Message is: Get on and perform or you are out. The subs seemed a bit of a mystery to me.Kearney was taken off when he was playing very well. His work rate was great.

We never looked like getting a goal which I knew we needed.The penalty was too late. O'Farrell getting sent off was the death knell for us.The ref wasnt great either and gave about 2 soft frees to Waterford at crucial times to keep the scoreboard ticking over. But he cant be blamed it was just unfortunate with the timing of them.

Even though Waterford played very well we were still in it until the very end so lets not go crazy writing Cork off for the year.We started well thankfully and were about to pull away when they got their goals. Another few points would have put a good bit of daylight between the sides.The goals were well taken but Cork kept going and until the sending off it was still nervy for them.I still dont think they would have kept going but that means nothing now.

In the first half when we were on top we had at least 2 sidelines in their half where we tried to go very short, ball lost and then ended up with Waterford getting a point. This was a clear tactic that totally backfired and was stopped after that. We went from what could have been a cut into their square ending up a goal or at least a chance at a point to giving away a point.Their should at least be a man to cover if we are going short but I hate those short ones. At least cut it in where we have a chance at a breaking ball.These were 2 points given away cheaply when we should have been attacking.

I hoped Harnedy was going to play some part as he was badly needed near the end. Tho Pa Cronin put in a good shift Harnedy is more of a goal threat.

This game felt like 2 steps forward and one back. We got the start right but didnt punish them when we had the chance. If more of a gap opened up early we would have been fine. Even though they were on top in the second half it was still in the melting pot until the end.

With all my talk here I am just focusing on Cork.For Waterford you have to say Congratulations, they worked really hard and everything fell right for them. The first 2 goals came when things beginning to look bad for them.They were very well taken and we needed Nash to bail us out later as well. Cork have to look like them getting goals in the future or else all is lost.

I still think Cork will have a say in the Championship this year but giving away goals is definitely a problem

Red Exile

Lads, take it easy on Ttm1, this forum would be pretty dead without him. You don't have to agree with him(and I don't some of the time) but you cannot deny but that he is informed and informative and obviously passionate about Cork GAA. This was a sad day for Cork GAA and for Cork hurling. I would also go easy on JBM, he owes Cork nothing. I understand if he might not want to get involved in 'Donegal' (apologies to Donegal) type tactics in hurling - defensive, 12 men behind the ball. He was a purist and Cork hurling always prided itself on the purity and skill of its hurling. Perhaps we should all dread if hurling does become tactical like football. I am reminded of the saying that 'things are never as good or as bad as they seem'. However it is difficult not to be down after today. It seems that Cork hurling is not in a good place now for a whole lot of reasons particularly lack of success at underage level. I am doubtful if there is some hurling messiah manager internal or external out there who can change it quickly. JBM deserves the time to go in his own time. There is no doubt that the players at his disposal are not as good as in past times, how many of the current team could get on previous all Ireland winning teams? We should also congratulate Waterford, they look good, fast and skilful. However I would reserve judgement because of how poor Cork were.

zetecescort

Well done to the Intermediates today, won handy with a new panel. Good start to the defence of the AI.

Figsy32

I wonder if the lack of the sweeper was caused by what happened against Tipp last August when we were over run in midfield? That cost us big today. Shanahan had so much space that Maccie had virtually no chance of holding him.

Delighted for Pa Cronin's personal performance today. He's taken a lot of unfair abuse. People were too quick to forget how good he was when Cork were at a very low ebb circa 2010.

When Harnedy is fit I'd love to see him pushed into full forward. We desperately need a presence and a goal threat there.

Nonoperational

Very disappointing today. I know for a fact Cork fully expected to go out and give a winning performance. These days we need to be playing a sweeper. I personally thought Aidan Ryan was promising in the league final. When he was on Shanahan he grew into it and was on top when he was taken off. I'd play him to hold a full back position and build on that with Ellis holding the 6 position. The big issue for us is that when things are going our way we are good. We can play nice hurling. The issue is when something goes wrong, like the goals today, we are found wanting. Serious defensive awareness issues at the back today. The two goals made pretty horrifying viewing.

thinkstoomuch1

Nonoperational wrote: »

Very disappointing today. I know for a fact Cork fully expected to go out and give a winning performance. These days we need to be playing a sweeper. I personally thought Aidan Ryan was promising in the league final. When he was on Shanahan he grew into it and was on top when he was taken off. I'd play him to hold a full back position and build on that with Ellis holding the 6 position. The big issue for us is that when things are going our way we are good. We can play nice hurling. The issue is when something goes wrong, like the goals today, we are found wanting. Serious defensive awareness issues at the back today. The two goals made pretty horrifying viewing.

I'd agree regards Ryan as the one thing he does well is he's not drawn out of the square and uses he's physical strength well and the one thing is he will make you go around him as you won't go through him


Full back line was at sea all game and to be fair mcgrath target this and I said it if they did they would really get benefits


Mcdonnell can't defend the square and I used example here this week of wexford last year, Dublin two years ago, kk three etc and many many more to show he's not a full back yet some pundits say he is and watching the rte coverage from earlier I'm huge fan sheedy but I'm flaber gasted he said Mcdonnell should stay at full and he's rock solid
Seriously just look at the games he's at full back he's woeful


Sheedy before the game said cork to win but once harnedy was out said cork would still but just slightly and made the point after the game loss harnedy was

Burke and Ryan confidence is shot imo with out actually doing anything wrong in see Murphy get a game after two years absence with not one single challenge match played and then midfielder forward o shea playing half back but o shea was imo terrific and showed a cut and hunger to mix it and as I said when the team was announced should played ahead of luke in a deeper role

willietherock

The elephant in the room here is the decision to go man on man and leave the goal area totally exposed yet again. Waterford left at least 3 goals after them. The manager is the best man for the job in every respect except that he's clueless tactically and doesn't seem to be able change or adopt. Every single team is exploiting this tactical naivety at this stage. Its not rocket science. Protect you fullback line at all costs.

There is a serious lack of physical strength through the side. Eoin Cadogan's loss was a massive blunder. Peter Kelleher had definite potential but not the "lovely" hurler type favoured by the selectors and was never given a proper chance.

Hopefully Cork draw Clare away sh1t or bust type match. No point prolonging the agony with soft draws and the team needs a meaningful victory.

Straight Talker

Well done to Waterford they were the better team and i hope they win munster now.As for ourselves i know tactically we are very poor and our defensive organisation is very poor but to be honest i am very worried about Cork hurling right now.We all know about the underage crisis and this is the 10th anniversary of our last Liam McCarthy win.Im just a bit sad about what Cork hurling has been reduced to this last decade yet all some people care about is monuments.Yeah hurling needs a strong Waterford but it also needs a strong Cork and Cork hurling is anything but that at the moment and we need outside help to come and investigate how the GAA administration is being run here in Cork.Please god we'll be tough to beat for whoever we play for the rest of this year but an all ireland?Im not sure we do have the forwards though and perhaps the minors might give us a lift in September.

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

The elephant in the room here is the decision to go man on man and leave the goal area totally exposed yet again. Waterford left at least 3 goals after them. The manager is the best man for the job in every respect except that he's clueless tactically and doesn't seem to be able change or adopt. Every single team is exploiting this tactical naivety at this stage. Its not rocket science. Protect you fullback line at all costs.

There is a serious lack of physical strength through the side. Eoin Cadogan's loss was a massive blunder. Peter Kelleher had definite potential but not the "lovely" hurler type favoured by the selectors and was never given a proper chance.

Hopefully Cork draw Clare away sh1t or bust type match. No point prolonging the agony with soft draws and the team needs a meaningful victory.

I'd agree with all that bar kellher getting game time ahead of Spillane sullivan and cronin who are far more advanced this level in terms cit and ucc experience


Cadogan has never been a full back and bar man match display v tipp in debut got cleaned our numerous times at full so much so moved him to centre and wexford qualifier he was cleaned out under high ball
He brings aggressive hurling but is not great under a high ball and bonner maher destroyed him three years ago especially cleaning him out for the noel mcgrath goal



Cadogan is much better footballers one cuthbert doesn't play him midfield and play him as a full back in football

I'd agree jbm has it all bar tactic wise but who's better?

commonsense.

youngbob wrote:

Honestly one of the worst refereeing displays in a long time. I don't want this to sound like sour grapes but it was awful.

The referee had zero impact on the outcome of today's game. At least be honest with ourselves and acknowledge that we were beaten by a significantly better team. If we accept where we are in the hurling pecking order it might be a first step on our road to redemption.

thinkstoomuch1

Straight Talker wrote: »

Well done to Waterford they were the better team and i hope they win munster now.As for ourselves i know tactically we are very poor and our defensive organisation is very poor but to be honest i am very worried about Cork hurling right now.We all know about the underage crisis and this is the 10th anniversary of our last Liam McCarthy win.Im just a bit sad about what Cork hurling has been reduced to this last decade yet all some people care about is monuments.Yeah hurling needs a strong Waterford but it also needs a strong Cork and Cork hurling is anything but that at the moment and we need outside help to come and investigate how the GAA administration is being run here in Cork.Please god we'll be tough to beat for whoever we play for the rest of this year but an all ireland?Im not sure we do have the forwards though and perhaps the minors might give us a lift in September.

Every body is accountable bar cork top men in the ccb and even Blatter resigned
The ccb are answerable to know one
And look the club's are just as much to blame as they had they chance to force change but missed the boat and they will never have that chance again

CORKDOUBLE

It looks like a losing Leinster semi finalist will be our first match in the backdoor ...Wexford or Laois more than likely ....

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

The referee had zero impact on the outcome of today's game. At least be honest with ourselves and acknowledge that we were beaten by a significantly better team. If we accept where we are in the hurling pecking order it might be a first step on our road to redemption.

I totally agree it's like blaming the ref for loss in football to mayo and saying referees help kerry win the all Ireland
It's nonsense


Ref was fair and was even and luke had to go
He had no bearing on the game
Totally agree blaming the referee is a lazy excuse
We will improve with the two boys back but we have same old problems


Time to start planning for the future and start new lads and if loose next game so be it at least start the process giving them games as help it next year
Time to cull the panel


Team for the next game
Nash
O Neill
Aidan Ryan
Mcdonnell
Lorcan
Ellis
Murphy
Kearney
Cooper
Lehane
Harnedy
Cronin
Spillane
Cadogan
O shea playing deep

Lehane on frees
Horgan dropped for a game
Lawton Mccarthy sullivan moylan be fair are committed but look not at required level and cody would drop them

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

It looks like a losing Leinster semi finalist will be our first match in the backdoor ...Wexford or Laois more than likely ....

Wexford pace and movement in wexford would trouble us and god help Mcdonnell if guiney or Mcdonald are full forward
Mcdonnell is wonderful player but he'll be ruined playing as full back
If I was Mcdonnell I'd go jbm and tell him I'm walking if I am full back again
Jbm can't call he's bluff as down Joyce and sullivan and Egan refusing to come back jbm can't loose another defender

It makes sense

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

As I predicted all week long
Waterford congratulations and won but I don't them see as unbeatable as they struggled to finish cork off and this was a severe weakened cork team with out two starting half backs and course centre forward and defo allowing for Joyce lorcan and harnedy was almighty loss to cork defence thread bear defence so poor that jbm brings on o shea a midfielder or half forward over all defending subs before others it showed cork lack of depth

Jbm played system well ist half short possession game and cork link play but he made awful subs and lack them
Murphy was doing well and should stayed
Walsh was awful yet stayed on
Then luke done nothing and deserve to be send off yet sullivan came on too late

Jbm deserves critsom in he said he would act fast on the line when he didn't and Waterford leading actually made the ist sub
Mccarthy great club player but like I said not anywhere near inter county level yet Spillane can't make the panel and coughlan didn't get a game

He deserves critsom and cork hunger want better today than weeks ago and to be fair never gave up so attuide was very good
Cork will improve of harnedy and course lorcan are fit as huge huge additional to cork but full back huge huge problem and again like I said over and over again Mcdonnell not a full back and got cleaned for three goals in can't hold the line

Nash excellent
Murphy done well as he could but shouldn't started
Mcdonnell awful game as he's not full back but I exempt him from blame as management totally blame as cahalane should been three
O Neill good game but huge pressure from our the field
Cahalane fine game but should been inside and he's not as bad some think he is

Ellis outstanding what a hurler coveted every blade of grass and can't be faulted
Murphy played very well and should not been subbed
Kearney good game never gave up and awful he was subbed before Walsh
Walsh was very poor
Lehane worked hard and never gave up but no ball
Copper great game won lot of ball and got stuck in
I said before cronin was far from finished despite huge critsom and he was outstanding today
Farell was poor should be taken off at half time
Horgan same horgan brilliant from frees super penalty but bar one great point and worked hard ist twenty minutes he absolutely went missing again
Has to be dropped
Cadogan brilliant game when he got ball and a real threat

Cork will improve with lorcan and harnedy and today if fit would won as Waterford struggled put cork away but kk would decimate cork as we have no full back and too many lads living off reputation


Cork needs john cronin, coughlan Anthony Spillane, the nagle and aidan Ryan be getting games to really strengthen the team

Cork won't win an all Ireland but cork do good in the qualifiers depending on the draw
Waterford be fair have a system that works and showed attacking potential today but cork back line is poor overall and I still think kk or tipp would beat them
They should if there cute play lot fringe lads in munster final as winning munster is no benefit but just adds to the hype for them
There was immense pressure on them today huge and be fair they didn't bottle it but handled it well

Cork intermediate were excellent but waterford are poor and I was wrong in i felt they would be cork new team
Cork are in a munster final but I would fear tipperary who are very strong who may beat limerick
O Tuama was excellent and , Buckley made four brilliant saves. Collins was excellent and o dounoughe centre back with Tony Murphy doing very well and noel mcnamra also

I expected a performance and cork gave us that but jbm made some poor tactics decisions
Harnedy was a huge huge loss as cork cried out for leadership and we had none and he's worth at least on he's record a minimum two points per game and huge ball winning and work rate is irreplaceable for cork.

As for the point about the under age it's spot on and despite interview from coaching officer who makes good points and it has improved no end development squads need more money and the coaches at under age teams cork all grades still at times can be poor however the minor offer hope
I said this before unlikely cork win all Ireland before win minor or under twenty one all Ireland


Jbm will be questioned and rightly so but problem is no real options to replace him and as bad as it is it can get worse if previous under twenty one or minor management get the team imo

IAs I said I did not think we were shadow boxing last time out in the league final Waterford again the better team we cut the gap by half but still lost sure we missed Harmedy but one player does not make a team, I agree with most of your points but Cahalane at fault for first goal and gave away some silly frees is he the best half back we have. Lehane and Hoggie again not enough from them need more Kearney and Cooper worked hard but Kearney pulled before Walsh and it says a lot when the lad McCarthy comes on before others is he the best we have a sub goal keeper now outfield.

It is now last chance saloon for JBM but do we have the players we have some but they are not selected, best player today was the much maligned Cronin fair play to him and Ellis who was terrific, murphy did well on his return and could not be faulted. We now have to restore some belief in the qualifiers cannot see us winning AL but we have to go on.

thinkstoomuch1

It makes sense wrote: »

IAs I said I did not think we were shadow boxing last time out in the league final Waterford again the better team we cut the gap by half but still lost sure we missed Harmedy but one player does not make a team, I agree with most of your points but Cahalane at fault for first goal and gave away some silly frees is he the best half back we have. Lehane and Hoggie again not enough from them need more Kearney and Cooper worked hard but Kearney pulled before Walsh and it says a lot when the lad McCarthy comes on before others is he the best we have a sub goal keeper now outfield.

It is now last chance saloon for JBM but do we have the players we have some but they are not selected, best player today was the much maligned Cronin fair play to him and Ellis who was terrific, murphy did well on his return and could not be faulted. We now have to restore some belief in the qualifiers cannot see us winning AL but we have to go on.

Cronin showed balls of resolve and a want and desire today and as I defended him many times he's big big game player


Horgan was absolutely awful blunt but true
He's effort for a goal with a spare man was awful and I'd called him off before he had time to blink
Cronin who has less skill gave everything yet next game he plays poor he will be critsed but horgan nobody really questions him
An all star and ex vice captain and eight years a senior and fully fit he has no excuse for another appalling display from play on the field of play
I share your views

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rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Seriously, to say C Murphy had a good game? Completely at fault for a goal, Brian was much better. Shanahan destroyed McDonnell.

20 mins in and Cork were in trouble - JBM had 50 minutes in which to change the full back line, putting a sweeper back there to help or get the message on to play short ball, draw Waterford on and move again. One player doesn't make a team and the Cork lads playing have more experience than the Waterford lads, so it was utterly disappointing to see no leadership in this team. The likes of O Neill flaking the ball up into a packed Waterford defense - can the management not see it? It was commented more than once during that game today that JBM looked fired up - and when you are wasting energy on "being fired up" on the sideline, you don't see changes that need to be made. O Mahony should have been a huge loss for Waterford - but a full strength Waterford would have still beaten a full strength Cork side. It wasn't a performance by Cork, maybe for the first 20 minutes, but at no point during the second half could you say Cork dominated it, for a few minutes.

Hiding behind a severely weakened team is absolute rubbish - Cork simply don't have the players to compete at the moment. To replace three starters shouldn't be a huge issue if the panel is there. Waterford took their foot off the pedal in the last few minutes - and only for Nash making some super saves, it would most certainly have been a hammering. 14 wides Waterford had as well, so 22 scores, and 40 odd scoring chances.

Apparently Paudie came on, don't think he got a touch??

We don't have lads who can put their hand up and win aeriel ball, so bombing ball into the likes of Lehane, Cadogen and O Farrell just ain't going to work - where was the message at half time to stay playing the same as the first 20 minutes. It was also noted on the commentary early in the second half when Cork were a few points down that it looked like they were panicking, and thinking they needed goals. All they needed to do was go and pick off their points. The shooting and option taking at times for Cork was appalling, a complete lack of a gameplan or no trust in the gameplan JBM has, if there is one. For saying that Waterford weren't clinical, they took their goal chances when they came when they were on top - I'm struggling to think about one clear cut goal chance Cork got. When Cork were on top in the first 20 minutes, they needed a goal or two to put Waterford away, but where could you see it coming from?? All the forward line, bar Cronin went missing for long stretches of the game.

I fear for Cork in the qualifiers, really do.

Good post you are totally correct we never looked remotely like scoring a goal from play never once got inside the full back line whereas Shanahan often seemed to work a 1v1 or lay the ball off to the oncoming runner fair dues to Waterford got their tactics spot on.