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Jesus, another referendum on its way -blasphemy

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    #32
    Pumpkinseeds
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    I know there has to be a referendum in order to change the legislation, but surely there isn't any urgent need for a referendum on it any time soon. There would be an extremely low turnout to vote, who gives a crap about that law:confused:


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    #33
    BoJack Horseman
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I know there has to be a referendum in order to change the legislation, but surely there isn't any urgent need for a referendum on it any time soon. There would be an extremely low turnout to vote, who gives a crap about that law:confused:

    Its not a great constitution.
    Why not change it sooner rather than later?


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    #34
    krudler
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I know there has to be a referendum in order to change the legislation, but surely there isn't any urgent need for a referendum on it any time soon. There would be an extremely low turnout to vote, who gives a crap about that law:confused:

    Nobody has ever been charged with it, that I know of anyway. But more separation of church and state is good.


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    #35
    Smiles35
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Sure it will just end up under 'hate speech' laws instead of a the the blasphemy legistation. Rightly so.

    I suppose, but do you remember that case in Norway with the cartonist. That caused riots in some places. I'd much rather Ireland presented with some religous heritage abroad than none.


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    #36
    CramCycle
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    Draco wrote: »
    You are aware that there's been a Constitutional Convention looking at reviewing the constitution for about the last year?

    There's going to be at least 3 referendums and more likely 5 next year - on same-sex marriage, voting age, minimum age of presidential candidates, blasphemy and the role of women in the home.

    Why can't they just have all the referendums the same day? 5 slips of paper, 5 choices and thats it FFS


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    #37
    Peregrine
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I know there has to be a referendum in order to change the legislation, but surely there isn't any urgent need for a referendum on it any time soon. There would be an extremely low turnout to vote, who gives a crap about that law:confused:

    Just because it's not urgent doesn't mean it doesn't have to be done :confused:

    Put 2 or 3 of three of these minor changes up for vote next year or stick it with one major one. I don't see the problem.


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    #38
    catallus
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    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.


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    #39
    BoJack Horseman
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    True dat....
    Big ups!


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    #40
    Knasher
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    Sounds like somebody found a thesaurus...


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    #41
    Donkey Oaty
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    Catchy slogan, but you'll need a big billboard for the campaign.


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    #42
    P_1
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    Try saying that after a few pints...


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    #43
    Zebra3
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    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Let's have a vote to ditch all mention of God from the constitution while we're at it.

    Can't agree with that enough. An absolute embarrassment.
    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

    The people of Ireland humbly acknowledge a load of crap that nobody can prove exists.

    Change that crap as well about people swearing on bibles too. Has anyone ever read what's in it? :rolleyes:


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    #44
    Draco
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Why can't they just have all the referendums the same day? 5 slips of paper, 5 choices and thats it FFS
    Last I heard there'll be two other referendums on the same day as the same se referendum. Remember that the last referendum in 2013v was on two issues - the Court of Appeal and the abolishment of the Dáil. So it's fairly normal practice to do so.


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    #45
    Knasher
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Why can't they just have all the referendums the same day? 5 slips of paper, 5 choices and thats it FFS
    I think the idea is to have a referendum on the changes that they've agreed to. But just because a change was proposed, doesn't mean that the government have to agree to accept it, so I suspect that we will get to vote on a group of changes all at once, for the ones that are easy to sort out. Then there is at least one that is meant to involve a ton of small changes, so it will take longer to sort that one out. And I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to reject the one for citizen initiative altogether, unfortunately.


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    #46
    ScumLord
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    Stupid democracy.


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    #47
    Pumpkinseeds
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    Nimr wrote: »
    Just because it's not urgent doesn't mean it doesn't have to be done :confused:

    Put 2 or 3 of three of these minor changes up for vote next year or stick it with one major one. I don't see the problem.

    If it were a referendum on seperating the church from state, i.e, no church involvement in schools I'd say it was a great idea and that the cost of the referendum would be money well spent. The problem is that most people don't know that piece of legislation exists and I very much doubt that many people would bother to go to their local polling station to vote for it. It's a non issue for most people. It's a trivial matter that doesn't seem to merit the costs.


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    #48
    PopePalpatine
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    The hilarity of the "No" side has begun!


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    #49
    wendell borton
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    I thought FF brought in a blasphemy law or something similar equally ridiculous?


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    #50
    Czarcasm
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.


    In fairness catallus it was the mindless craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the elites that allowed this, and many other laws to be bestowed upon a benighted population at the time, and not too many considered that a worrying manifestation.

    This is just the reverse of that, to reflect the will of a society that is no longer benighted and forced to capitulate to the fickle desires of the elites.

    Well, it's a start anyway, but it'll be a couple of generations yet, and much money pissed away in the meantime on piecemeal referenda, before Ireland will ever have a secular Constitution (if ever).


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    #51
    TheBeardedLady
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    I have to say, I'm very proud to be from a country where any change to our constitution is voted on by the people. Some people/media scoff at what a backwater Ireland is but this is an incredibly progressive aspect of our country imo. Other countries have no say in this kind of stuff at all, big or small. I can think of more important things that need to be dealt with but as long as we have this system in place, I won't/can't complain.


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    #52
    catallus
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    In fairness[....]

    This is just the reverse of that....[]

    Moral relativism is ok so?


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    #53
    Czarcasm
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    catallus wrote: »
    Moral relativism is ok so?


    Well it's OK by me, I wouldn't impose my opinion on anyone else though. Perhaps we should have a referendum on it?

    Chisel that one down on the tablet there, we'll bring it up at the next meeting before we put it to the people :p


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    #54
    PopePalpatine
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    Go ahead catallus [sic], make all of our days and ring the Guards about our blasphemy.


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    #55
    Amirani
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.

    Damn elites ceding democratic control to the populace like some sort of democracy!


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    #56
    catallus
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Well it's OK by me, I wouldn't impose my opinion on anyone else though. ....:p

    Ah yes. "And, as it all fell apart, nobody payed much attention."
    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Go ahead catallus [sic], make all of our days and ring the Guards about our blasphemy.

    I continually pray for your soul, pope. ;) Render unto Caesar, and all that.


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    #57
    Nodin
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    catallus wrote: »
    The craven capitulation to the fickle desires of the benighted theophobes is a worrying manifestation of the shallowness of the minds of the elites.


    I think you've contracted Waters disease.


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    #58
    Knasher
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    If it were a referendum on seperating the church from state, i.e, no church involvement in schools I'd say it was a great idea and that the cost of the referendum would be money well spent. The problem is that most people don't know that piece of legislation exists and I very much doubt that many people would bother to go to their local polling station to vote for it. It's a non issue for most people. It's a trivial matter that doesn't seem to merit the costs.

    Well we will be voting on a number of issues at once, and it will possibly be the same referendum that decides the issue of gay marriage. So I'm willing to bet that the turnout will be greater than that for the children's referendum.


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    #59
    hatrickpatrick
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    Wow, this thread is incredible.
    The solution to wasted money isn't less democracy, it's cheaper democracy. We should be able to hold as many polls as we want without it costing millions of euro. What's the money going in to? Referendum commission booklets? Staff at polling stations? There's no logical reason referenda have to be expensive. In Switzerland they hold polls all the time and it doesn't bankrupt them, what are they doing differently?


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    #60
    Czarcasm
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    catallus wrote: »
    Ah yes. "And, as it all fell apart, nobody payed much attention."


    Not happy with your Lot catallus? Do you feel like people are rubbing salt in your wounds?

    It's all getting a bit Babylonian in here -

    "And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

    I was always more of an Oasis than a Talking Heads fan myself -

    Don't look back in anger :p


    I continually pray for your soul, pope. ;) Render unto Caesar, and all that.


    When in Rome...? ;)


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    #61
    Zebra3
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    In Switzerland they hold polls all the time and it doesn't bankrupt them, what are they doing differently?

    They didn't shaft the taxpayer with the debts of private businesses.


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