2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Overheal

It's born out of my ignorance, actually. Fair point. Lots of others will do the same; she should make the distinctions clear and own whats hers (all accomplishments and mistakes) so that she won't be unfairly judged for things out of her control like I probably just did.

Overheal

why did nobody tell me this was on now, and being streamed?

Black Swan

Amerika wrote: »

Yup. A political newcomer taking on a powerful long-term Democratic Senator in a Democratic state that votes solidly Democratic. Fiorina took the counties in red...

I like her!

Carly Fiorina received a surprising 42.2% of the California vote for US Senate (4,209,812 votes). Barbara Boxer was reelected with 52.2% (5,208,389).

Overheal

Carly just lost me by talking like a militant megalomaniac, stroking our military's ego?

Carcharodon

I could literally only watch 5 mins, I would of thrown myself out the window if I had to endure anymore.
What a circus with quite a few clowns
When I heard them bring up their old friend Ben Gazi and emails, it just made me cringe, talk about clutching at straws. Media has done a great job of polluting our minds with this nonsense.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Yup. A political newcomer taking on a powerful long-term Democratic Senator in a Democratic state that votes solidly Democratic. Fiorina took the counties in red...



I like her!

That map would be impressive except she lost by 10 points.

She's never been elected at county, state or federal level and you think she's ideal for the highest office in the land? What makes her a credible candidate?

MightyMandarin

Brian? wrote: »

That map would be impressive except she lost by 10 points.

She's never been elected at county, state or federal level and you think she's ideal for the highest office in the land? What makes her a credible candidate?

The fact she's running, is a woman and isn't Hillary.

Black Swan

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The fact she's running, is a woman and isn't Hillary.

Carly Fiorina (although declared) is probably not running for president, rather to be a VP running mate pick for the GOP presidential nominee to offset Hillary.

Black Swan

You cannot have a debate with 11 candidates all at once, but in name only. Wednesday's 2nd GOP "debate" was terribly shallow and fell short of addressing serious domestic and international issues, and was more picture and sound bite posing for the news media.

November 2016 is a long way off in the US electoral process. There is no guarantee that today's GOP front runners will be the same several months from now.

alaimacerc

Thargor wrote: »

Carson surges into the race, could be a contender but they need to slap some personality on him fast.

Is there a standardised medical alert for such a situation?

"Code Gray! Patient is critically dull!"

"Charging to 'doctrinairely reactionary'... Clear!"

"No response. Set it to 'ludicrously theocratic'!"

lochderg

Black Swan wrote: »

It would appear that Hilliary Clinton will be the leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination for 2016, but the potential Republican candidates are so many it's beginning to look like a horse race. As soon as the November 2014 mid-terms are over the candidates will start officially declaring and the race will begin.

Ran across a GOP 2016 Presidential Straw Poll that had 32 possible candidates, which seemed too many to me.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is a moderate, has been successfully fundraising, and if he can overcome Bridgegate, may be one of the GOP front runners. He will definitely run in 2016.

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is a conservative, has the well known Bush family name with 2 former US presidents, but also the GW Bush Great Recessionary image problem (as well as having launched the 2 longest wars in US history). He may run, or he may sit this one out.

I cannot believe that this straw poll includes Sarah Palin, former half-term resigned Governor of Alaska and 2008 VP candidate. She now has her own cable show, and seems to draw a lot of Tea Party voters when she makes public appearances. I think she will drop hints that she's running, but at the last minute not appear.

The only straw poll candidate that looks interesting to me is South Dakota Senator John Thune. He defeated former Senator Tom Daschle (Democrat), who had been both minority and majority party whip in the US Senate. He is a conservative, and has a reputation for being honest (which may be a rare quality in today's Senate). According to the Huff Post he is not running in 2016.

Who do you think will declare presidential candidacy in 2016, for either the Republicans or Democrats? And if you be bold (or psychic), who do you think will win and why?

Clinton V Bush-the Americans are too indoctrinated to accept Bernie Sanders's version of socialism-Clinton will win because she IS a Republican and the GOP candidates are mostly completely certifiable or just plain bad.

Amerika

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm not a fan of hers BUT she left HP a long time ago. Mark Hurd, Leo Apoetheker and Meg Whitman have all been in that job since. Mark Hurd bolstered it to the largest Tech company in the world at one point. The revenue was larger than Microsoft, Apple, Google etc. But the way he did that wasn't sustainable.

She didn't seem to have a clue. The company performed poorly and shed workers.

Her time in HP should rightly be pointed at to show, she doesn't have a business acumen at all. BUT to blame her for what's going on today is a little bit harsh

No clue?

Please name me one big-tech chief executive that created value between 1999 & 2005? How is Gateway, Data General, and DEC currently doing? HP is still around last I heard and I have both their PC’s and printers, several of each as a matter of fact.

The HP deal was intended to compete with the unstoppable Dell at the time. Is it her fault she didn’t foresee, through her crystal ball, the global recession brought on by 9/11, the dot-com bubble, the telecom crash, and the resulting demand for PC’s going south?

Tell me who did?

And if the deal for Compaq didn’t happen, wouldn’t there still been major layoffs in both companies because of the market environment at the time? Probably even more, perhaps?

Did she make conscientious choices and diligently execute them, estimating positive results unless factors beyond their control interceded? And do we hear the fact that HP’s stock chart during her tenure at HP was indistinguishable from Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, and Cisco... from our lovely unbiased media? I’ll answer that for you... NO!

Hmmm... She sounds like presidential material to me.

Amerika

Black Swan wrote: »

Carly Fiorina received a surprising 42.2% of the California vote for US Senate (4,209,812 votes). Barbara Boxer was reelected with 52.2% (5,208,389).

Pretty damn remarkable if you ask me, for a woman who was a political newcomer, had just beat breast cancer the year before, and was facing the great and powerful Barbara Boxer in the Democratic mecca of California.

Amerika

Black Swan wrote: »

Carly Fiorina (although declared) is probably not running for president, rather to be a VP running mate pick for the GOP presidential nominee to offset Hillary.

By many reports Carly Fiorina won CNN's Donald Trump pig pile-on event last night. Prior to yesterday I might have agreed with you about her eyeing the VP spot, but today the POTUS might just be a bit more in reach.

Zascar

Please excuse the Fox News clip..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWObXl07sY

eire4

Overheal wrote: »

Carly just lost me by talking like a militant megalomaniac, stroking our military's ego?

O come on now Overheal the US military needs its ego stroked right now its so fragile having invaded so many comuntries and having bases in over 100 different foreign countries and the largest military budget in the world by some distance. They need a little love:)

Overheal

“What I would do immediately is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet [the Mediterranean-stationed Sixth Fleet, which has shrunk from 40 ships to one command cruiser and one intelligence ship]. I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland. I would conduct regular aggressive military exercises in the Baltic states. I’d probably send a few thousand more soldiers into Germany,”

“We need about 50 army brigades, we need about 36 marine battalions, we need somewhere between 300-350 naval ships. We need to upgrade every leg of the nuclear triad,”

When it came to the Middle East, Fiorina said the U.S. should arm the Kurds, give military intelligence to the Egyptians, and supply “bombs and materials” to the Jordanians. “We could arm the Kurds, they’ve been asking for 3 years. All of this is in our control.”


http://www.inquisitr.com/2425719/carly-fiorina-gets-trigger-happy-at-gop-presidential-debates/


She is stark raving mad.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

"We NEED 30+ Marine Divisions, dozens of army battalions, etc" Eh, according to the numbers no we don't, unless we are planning to take on the entire world at once.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

eire4

Overheal wrote: »

"We NEED 30+ Marine Divisions, dozens of army battalions, etc" Eh, according to the numbers no we don't, unless we are planning to take on the entire world at once.

American exceptionalism aka American arrogance!

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

You say that like it's a bad thing.

How are we paying for this?

Magnate

Overheal wrote: »

How are we paying for this?

Using all the money we're saving by not adopting a single-payer health care plan... Oh, wait.

Amerika

eire4 wrote: »

American exceptionalism aka American arrogance!

Hypocrisy, thy name is Western Europe.

Most of the Western European countries spend far less than 3% of their GDP on their military. The US spends almost 5% of its GDP for military. With the threat of Russia and its proximity, European countries need a stronger military than the US does.

Why spend so little? Perhaps because they RELY on the US global defense strategy to project its power across much of the globe.

In addition, they rely on the US to maintain global coverage in satellite communications, navigation, reconnaissance and surveillance, and the infrastructure to operate ground control networks and the ability to transport substantial tactical forces over long distances and insert them into situations with little or no local support. All of which costs Western European nations virtually nothing.

Who you gonna call? US bluster!

Overheal

We have currently about 33 Brigades, and about 440 Naval ships and 24 marine infantry battalion to my best reckoning.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

How are we paying for this?

About the only thing in the US Constitution that the federal government IS actually responsible for is providing for the common defense

The Randy Riverbeast

Overheal wrote: »

“What I would do immediately is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet [the Mediterranean-stationed Sixth Fleet, which has shrunk from 40 ships to one command cruiser and one intelligence ship]. I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland. I would conduct regular aggressive military exercises in the Baltic states. I’d probably send a few thousand more soldiers into Germany,”

“We need about 50 army brigades, we need about 36 marine battalions, we need somewhere between 300-350 naval ships. We need to upgrade every leg of the nuclear triad,”

When it came to the Middle East, Fiorina said the U.S. should arm the Kurds, give military intelligence to the Egyptians, and supply “bombs and materials” to the Jordanians. “We could arm the Kurds, they’ve been asking for 3 years. All of this is in our control.”


http://www.inquisitr.com/2425719/carly-fiorina-gets-trigger-happy-at-gop-presidential-debates/


She is stark raving mad.

I wonder how much that will all cost. Not sure how she figured out that they were needed. Arming groups in the middle east has worked brilliantly in the past as well.

Amerika

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Arming groups in the middle east has worked brilliantly in the past as well.

You don't think President Obama's policy of US military $500 million training mission, which resulted in only four or five Syrian fighters against Isis, as one of his huge foreign policy successes?

eire4

Amerika wrote: »

Hypocrisy, thy name is Western Europe.

Most of the Western European countries spend far less than 3% of their GDP on their military. The US spends almost 5% of its GDP for military. With the threat of Russia and its proximity, European countries need a stronger military than the US does.

Why spend so little? Perhaps because they RELY on the US global defense strategy to project its power across much of the globe.

In addition, they rely on the US to maintain global coverage in satellite communications, navigation, reconnaissance and surveillance, and the infrastructure to operate ground control networks and the ability to transport substantial tactical forces over long distances and insert them into situations with little or no local support. All of which costs Western European nations virtually nothing.

Who you gonna call? US bluster!

The above post pretty much sums up American arrogance and their shoot first attitude. Yes its all those weak western Europeans fault that America has bases in over 100 countries around the world and has invaded numerous countries or indulged in proxy wars in numerous countries or got rid of governments they didn't like etc etc.

The Randy Riverbeast

Amerika wrote: »

You don't think President Obama's policy of US military $500 million training mission, which resulted in only four or five Syrian fighters against Isis, as one of his huge foreign policy successes?

Dont know, Im just commenting on how the US funding groups elsewhere has been known to come around and bite them in the ass.

I look forward to your providing the same treatment to her as you did Sanders with how much her changes will cost vs how much they'll take in. A penis measuring contest with Russia does sound worthwhile though.

Amerika

eire4 wrote: »

The above post pretty much sums up American arrogance and their shoot first attitude. Yes its all those weak western Europeans fault that America has bases in over 100 countries around the world and has invaded numerous countries or indulged in proxy wars in numerous countries or got rid of governments they didn't like etc etc.

And which countries has the US unilaterally (without the support of European countries) invaded?

Wompa1

Amerika wrote: »

No clue?

Please name me one big-tech chief executive that created value between 1999 & 2005? How is Gateway, Data General, and DEC currently doing? HP is still around last I heard and I have both their PC’s and printers, several of each as a matter of fact.

The HP deal was intended to compete with the unstoppable Dell at the time. Is it her fault she didn’t foresee, through her crystal ball, the global recession brought on by 9/11, the dot-com bubble, the telecom crash, and the resulting demand for PC’s going south?

Tell me who did?

And if the deal for Compaq didn’t happen, wouldn’t there still been major layoffs in both companies because of the market environment at the time? Probably even more, perhaps?

Did she make conscientious choices and diligently execute them, estimating positive results unless factors beyond their control interceded? And do we hear the fact that HP’s stock chart during her tenure at HP was indistinguishable from Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, and Cisco... from our lovely unbiased media? I’ll answer that for you... NO!

Hmmm... She sounds like presidential material to me.

Their direct competitor. Dell. They actually grew...so..Michael Dell. Apple kick started their iPod come back too.

She makes excuses.

How's Microsoft doing now? How's HP doing now? While I wouldn't entirely blame her for where HP are now it was during her time in charge that the PC\Hardware business began it's down turn. She needed to be decisive and she wasn't. She instead bought Compaq another PC\Hardware company. She made the claim last night that revenue increased hugely..which is true because they gobbled up Compaqs revenue...

She laid off tens of thousands of employees and failed to diversify the company under her reign. She was a bad CEO.

Dell on the other hand did diversify. They kicked a$$ in the hardware side of things with their Just In Time business model but saw the writing on the wall. They made software acquisitions and now have a base to build from.

Mark Hurd purchased some software companies. Ditto, Leo Apoetheker but it was too late at that stage. They needed the edge earlier. You can't buy a company and integrate it seamlessly in less than 2 years. You can see that with VMware and Citrix now. There's teething problems. HP have tried and failed with their public cloud offering...they needed better leadership of the last 15 years and they haven't had it. And that includes from Carly. She may be one of the worst because she bought Compaq and didn't diversify the company.